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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 5, 2009 15:13:52 GMT -5
aahhbigboy, i truly believe that you need "mental help" and i don't mean that as a joke. either that, or you're awfully childish. or like i've said before, perhaps you're not an aggie but you're simply posing as one. whatever the case may be, your opinions are way "too skewed" and you have zero "objectivity". you seem like one of those spoiled brats who goes to the extreme just to draw attention to himself. hail, no one is saying that eaves is above criticism. even i have been critical of him at times. but most folks who criticize him are objective about it, they don't merely just see the negative like you do. that's why your comments on eaves are so sickening. no one else on this board "rants" against eaves' every breath of air like you do. i guess you're so much smarter than the rest of us, huh? you're so smart that it was only 2 weeks ago that you were ranting and raving "how could eaves recruit a 6 foot 1inch guard" you said! you had already gone negative about eaves and witter without reading the article closely enough to realize the kid was 6'1" when he was only a freshman! i guess you couldn't rant anymore after you were informed the kid stands 6'8" tall! what was the first thing you ranted? you said, "eaves can't recruit"! "would bozeman recruit a 6'1" guard?" the very same ole shigidy you're sayin' about penney. you're so very redundant, its sickening. the fact that a 20 plus points per game basketball recruit is considering a&t is a positive thing. but being positive versus being satisfied are two different things! recruits turn down schools all the time, so it won't be the end of the world if he doesn't choose a&t. and you don't know why the kid hasn't yet decided to sign with a&t, it could be anything. you don't know what his personal circumstances are. so if he doesn't sign with a&t, we don't need to hear your ranting over and over again about how eaves can't recruit. we know your opinion 'cause you say the same thing over and over again. and you're wrong over and over again! and here's the comment that by your own admission defines you; bigboy, do you know what the word "naive" means? It's just a difference of opinion. I'm skeptical about the men's program and you're optimistic. I don't think you need mental help or anything like that. You're just on the other side and that's OK. We need liberal minds in the world that think like you. As a matter of fact, I've even heard a guy say that's "a mental disorder". lol I don't need attention Oldeschool, I just see my alma mater out of a different set of eyes than you do. And yes, I will jump the gun....and yes, will be wrong again in the future. But that's OK. I'll admit when I'm wrong and won't think twice about it. When Eaves does well, I say it. It's just that doesn't happen very much. Most of the fan base supports blindly just like you do and I firmly believe that is part of the reason the athletic department is in the position it is now. But remember, at the end of the day, this is an opinionated mesage board. Some of you lose sight of that sometimes. then i've got one simple question for you, or maybe two. since you grade eaves so lowly, how do you grade our administrators in terms of our athletic department and how do you grade our basketball facilities compared to the other meac schools? now, i can't wait to hear your answers to the above...
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Post by DECKS on May 5, 2009 17:36:01 GMT -5
I've changed my mind. I think we might as well wait him out unless someone better comes along.
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Post by truthseeker on May 5, 2009 17:40:48 GMT -5
lol, what does a bad prediction and recruiting have to do with each other. And I see you conveniently didn't touch the fact that I criticized every recruit last year and was right about that. I've never claimed to be anyone..........but who are you again? lol TRUTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....... SEEKERRRRRRRRRRRRRR...............
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 5, 2009 17:57:12 GMT -5
lol, what does a bad prediction and recruiting have to do with each other. And I see you conveniently didn't touch the fact that I criticized every recruit last year and was right about that. I've never claimed to be anyone..........but who are you again? lol TRUTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....... SEEKERRRRRRRRRRRRRR............... Exactly.
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Post by truthseeker on May 5, 2009 17:58:45 GMT -5
lol, what does a bad prediction and recruiting have to do with each other. And I see you conveniently didn't touch the fact that I criticized every recruit last year and was right about that. I've never claimed to be anyone..........but who are you again? lol to answer your question... " what does a bad prediction & recruiting have to do with each other... ? nothing.......... but from you.......... everything... if you can't properly proccess visual information in order to make a proper evaluation... or as you put it..." a bad prediction..." then how can you be so certain on your evaluating skills about recruits you have never seen play... ?? the only thing you know about them is from whats posted on this board...
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 5, 2009 18:16:48 GMT -5
then i've got one simple question for you, or maybe two. since you grade eaves so lowly, how do you grade our administrators in terms of our athletic department and how do you grade our basketball facilities compared to the other meac schools? now, i can't wait to hear your answers to the above... Well, Corbett is below average. I don't think it is fair to throw Brown under the bus, but history has shown that the AD admin is clueless. So, overall, I'd grade them poorly. Just like I'd grade the childhood living conditions of many/most of affluent black people. But successful, affluent people thrive and excel in spite of these conditions just like good coaches do. It's conservative values. It's not giving the negatives too much energy and succeeding in spite of. Eaves is "aight". If you're OK with "aight" for the next 20 years.....then cool. But if you want to be a winner and nothing less will do, then he is an easy target for criticism. He is a below average-average coach and many of you are OK with that. You'll make every excuse in the world as the why he hasn't won. Like I keep telling you, it's just a difference in perspective.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 5, 2009 18:21:35 GMT -5
the only thing you know about them is from whats posted on this board... You know why I would never make a stupid statement like this about you or anyone up here? Because I don't know you. Because I don't know what websites you're a member of. Because I don't know what relatives you have that coach or scout for teams. Because I don't know what showcases you've been to or what coaches you know on a first name/drinking basis. You're wreckless with your comments.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 6, 2009 9:19:09 GMT -5
then i've got one simple question for you, or maybe two. since you grade eaves so lowly, how do you grade our administrators in terms of our athletic department and how do you grade our basketball facilities compared to the other meac schools? now, i can't wait to hear your answers to the above... Well, Corbett is below average. I don't think it is fair to throw Brown under the bus, but history has shown that the AD admin is clueless. So, overall, I'd grade them poorly. Just like I'd grade the childhood living conditions of many/most of affluent black people. But successful, affluent people thrive and excel in spite of these conditions just like good coaches do. It's conservative values. It's not giving the negatives too much energy and succeeding in spite of. Eaves is "aight". If you're OK with "aight" for the next 20 years.....then cool. But if you want to be a winner and nothing less will do, then he is an easy target for criticism. He is a below average-average coach and many of you are OK with that. You'll make every excuse in the world as the why he hasn't won. Like I keep telling you, it's just a difference in perspective. thank you! so you've proven my point! you want to place the "total burden" of success on the coach's shoulders when the administration and our facilities have just as much impact on success as the coach. but you never blame the administration for our lack of success and you never blame the one thing that major d1's understand a program "normally" won't thrive without and that's facilities that are up to par. and when i say administrators, i don't mean just the ad's office. i'm talking about from the chancellor on down. it starts from the top! now, take a look at our chancellor situation. i don't think our chancellors playing revolving chairs does anything to help the advancement of a&t in general, much less our athletics. but you seem to be very please with our administration or either you don't understand the correlation between sound leadership and a sound athletic department because you never complain about our administration. i think our admins have done a far "worse" job than eaves. and if you don't think facilities play a major role in the success or failure of a program, then you're even more naive than i thought. yet, you never comment on the negative impact of our facilities on our basketball program. the way you see it, eaves is responsible for "everything"! i've told you before in the past that if a&t provided the support to eaves that dr. harvey at hampton provided for kevin nicklebury, i'd call for eaves' firing just as quick as you. but eaves doesn't get that kind of support, so my expectations of him is reflective of that. its not about accepting mediocrity, its about what does eaves have to work with. you're always comparing eaves to bibbs and bozeman. but everybody can't be bibbs and bozeman. using your criteria, every coach in the meac would be fired because they don't meet bibbs and bozeman standards. that's ludicrous! the way i see it, eaves is one of the top 4 coaches in the meac. there's only 2 or 3 coaches in the meac that i would feel comfortable replacing eaves with, otherwise it would be a big gamble. my top 3 are fang, bozeman, and jackson. so unless you're gonna bring in a coach on fang's, bozeman's, or jackson's level (or higher), then we'll be wasting our time...
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 6, 2009 9:38:32 GMT -5
you're always comparing eaves to bibbs and bozeman. but everybody can't be bibbs and bozeman. using your criteria, every coach in the meac would be fired because they don't meet bibbs and bozeman standards. that's ludicrous! See, this is where you lose credibility. It would be different if Bibbs was at a different school. But oldeschool, SHE IS COACHING UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS!!!!!!!! Her and her staff aren't making those excuses. They just win. Robinson still brings 'em in and Bibbs does what she's always done. It's about the way you view yourself. The worst thing that you can do is make excuses for failure. We aren't playing in an ultra competitive league. The MEAC is, traditionally, one of the lowest rated conferences in the whole nation. With a little know how, you can get it done. And that's regardless of where you are or what the budget is. If that was the case, then whoever spends the most money from year to year would always win. You're too stuck on wanting someone else's help to be successful. You remind of the guy standing at the stoplight asking for change. Bibbs and her staff just work with what they have and become great. Eaves and his staff struggle to become winners. And that is why I criticize.
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Post by aggiejazz on May 6, 2009 9:40:26 GMT -5
Aahhbigboy, do you talk to people in the college basketball business, like coaches and ADs?
Aggie82, I also would like to see sharper recruiting from Eaves and his staff. I would not be overly critical because it is very difficult to recruit in-state for players who can play mid-major college basketball and difficult to recruit those players out of state due to limited resources but you and I can ask and should expect for a little better results.
This year's recruiting class was a little more timid than I like but lets see how they do next year. Next year's class must have some meaness, toughness, height and scoring ability. It is a tough order to fill but if not filled, in two years this program will find it very difficult to finish in the top 5.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 6, 2009 9:44:11 GMT -5
Aahhbigboy, do you talk to people in the college basketball business, like coaches and ADs? Aggie82, I also would like to see sharper recruiting from Eaves staff. I would not be overly critical because it is very difficult to recruit in-state for players who can play mid-major college basketball and difficult to recruit those players out of state due to limited resources but you and I can ask and should expect for a little better results. This year's recruiting class was a little more timid than I like but lets see how they do next year. Next year's class must have some meaness, toughness, height and scoring ability. It is a tough order to fill but if not filled, in two years this program will find it very difficult to finish in the top 5. Some of my best friends are coaches on every level from here to the midwest. That's how I know when we're here or there. That's why I go to so many showcases. And that's why I know what the heck I'm talking about. And as far as timidness Jazz, EVERY year is like that. Every year, we never know what we're gonna get. And that is why you see Eaves yelling and screaming during games. Think about it, the coaches with talent are hardly ever yelling and screaming during games. Most do that at practice/film sessions. Have you ever seen Bozeman or Jackson yell? Fang yells, but he rarely has had talent over the last decade and that proves my point.
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Post by aggiejazz on May 6, 2009 9:53:23 GMT -5
Aahhbigboy, do you talk to people in the college basketball business, like coaches and ADs? Aggie82, I also would like to see sharper recruiting from Eaves staff. I would not be overly critical because it is very difficult to recruit in-state for players who can play mid-major college basketball and difficult to recruit those players out of state due to limited resources but you and I can ask and should expect for a little better results. This year's recruiting class was a little more timid than I like but lets see how they do next year. Next year's class must have some meaness, toughness, height and scoring ability. It is a tough order to fill but if not filled, in two years this program will find it very difficult to finish in the top 5. Some of my best friends are coaches on every level from here to the midwest. That's how I know when we're here or there. That's why I go to so many showcases. And that's why I know what the heck I'm talking about. Do these people have the same opinion about Eaves as you do? As has said before, Corbett, Bibbs and Bill Hayes were championship coaches before they got to A&T at other HBCUs that had similar or smaller budgets. They are extraordinary coaches as have been said many times. You find us a coach like one of them to take Eaves' place and accept his current salary and the assistant coaches' current salaries.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 6, 2009 10:04:08 GMT -5
Eaves is respected as a guy. To be honest, we don't really talk about how good/bad A&T is. It's not relavant ouside of Greensboro. I only care because I went there and I know a ton of people in the AD.
It's not my job to find a new coach. I'm not even asking for a new one. I'm asking for the one we have to be smarter. Eaves will be here forever because he brings big payouts. That is the one thing that he does well. But outside of that, you'd be hard pressed to name anything else that he does well. Plus, we all know that he and Brown are cool, but that's another story.
Anybody that has a strong NC network can be successful as heck. You've gotta be willing to work too. Robinson recruited Lousiana, Ohio, Pennsylvannia, DC-Metro............but most of all, he scoured his hometown right here in NC. Kill the Kentucky connection. That's a start. Keep Eaves, but raise his bar. I think he can succeed here if he'd change his philosophies. They obviously aren't winning ones.
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Post by Gator on May 6, 2009 11:01:42 GMT -5
Killing the Kentucky connection before you have any other connection would be foolish on Eaves part. I say stick with what is working for you and seek to improve upon it.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 6, 2009 11:29:47 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right about that and I wasn't suggesting that it stop cold turkey, but I would argue the "what is working" point of view. lol
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