oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 21, 2009 15:43:48 GMT -5
aahhbigboy, it wouldn't be wise "not to recruit" someone just because the big time schools aren't pursuing him. there could be numerous legitimate reasons why he's not on the big time schools' radar. you've got to remember, coleman didn't have a bunch of big time schools after him either. as i recall, only xavier and western kentucky were in the running when jerry came a callin'. xavier didn't officially offer coleman, coleman got tired of waiting and signed with us.
when it comes to college basketball recruiting, most coaches have recruits listed by priority. they make offers to their top priorities but leave the lesser priorities dangling in case the top priorities turn them down. and as top recruits turn them down, the coaches turn to the next priority on their list. so its not unusual for a recruit to be left dangling until the dust settles. penney may have fallen into this category. if he's having academic problems, the major d1's move on because they're not willing to risk a scholarship on a player who may not be able to stay academically eligible.
there are numerous reasons why major d1's pass on talented players. but i wouldn't automatically assume a recruit with impressive numbers who is not being pursued by major d1's to be a fluke. averaging 22 plus ppg isn't easy to do no matter what league you play in. since the juco's are recruiting him, it tells me his major problem is academics and not the ability to play basketball. and often times, those are the recruits that wind up at the hbcu's or smaller mid-majors...
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Post by aggiejazz on Apr 21, 2009 18:56:17 GMT -5
Dude, What do you mean he wasn't a big time baller? He essentially played one year on a below-average Wake team. For the MEAC, he's absolutely a "big time" baller..............THAT'S WHY HE WAS IN THE ACC! And there are several players that wouldn't dare step foot on T's campus, just from the reputation that these clowns have on the NC recruiting scene. Kentucky may be a different story. Furthermore, at this point, a good finish (to his college career) in something like the CIAA or a NAIA superpower will serve him more than suiting up for the MEAC (for like going overseas or something). Boy, you're something. lol At least when I'm going at it with oldeschool, I know he's bringing some real rational basketball thought/knowledge to the table. With you, it's "I love Eaves and nothing else matters!" lol. It's a free country though. I guess you don't know the difference between potential and actually coming to play every game on a consistent basis. Swinton showed brilliance in a few games his freshman year but he was inconsistent. I didn't say he didn't have potential to be a very player but he wasn't a 'baller' in college. You have to bring it in more than 5 or 6 games in 30. In your words, Wake Forest was a below-average team so your guy should have been the man or one of them anyway. We should know by next week if Eaves got his man, if not he will bring in someone else.
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Post by numberonebrave on Apr 21, 2009 20:19:31 GMT -5
{he's absolutely a "big time" baller..............THAT'S WHY HE WAS IN THE ACC} so was McMillian from GSO Day 6-9 235 or so...ended up as a bench player at
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Post by numberonebrave on Apr 21, 2009 20:19:58 GMT -5
Guilford or GSO College
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 21, 2009 21:13:03 GMT -5
Oldschoolaggie,
You make more sense than anybody on this board. Its not like Penny is at a 1A highschool in North Dakota. The kids that are sometimes overrated usually show big numbers and that's it. They never have the rebounds and assit to go along with the big numbers and this kid has good numbers in all catorgories. By shear numbers everybody can not go to a big Div. 1 school. Why do you think there are multiple mid-major players in the NBA or NFL.
ahhbigboy is so sterred in one direction its a worthless cause. If Eaves were going up aginst Kentucky, ACC you would be laughing and saying he is waisting his time. Just admitted the man can win with you. Reading your post are like reading post from an extremist.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 21, 2009 21:48:52 GMT -5
Look, I'm not saying that we need to compete against the major schools. Everyone knows that is stupid is heck. I'm saying why haven't schools like Butler, WKU, Siena, Bowling Green, Kentucky State, Cleveland State, Youngstown State, etc offered this kid if these numbers are so valid?
Why is that the only D1 offer that he has is coming from a school that hasn't won anything, that hasn't proved that they can evaluate talent well enough to compete for their own conference championship?
I may be a bit extreme, but look frisco, this guy hasn't won anything. The reason that it irks you is because you're not used to someone looking in the mirror and calling it what it is. Every summer, you guys get up here and support support support. Just because I'm on the other side, doesn't mean I hate the guy. I just don't see what you see. And to be honest, all of the numbers support my side. I don't know what you want me to do.
Be honest with yourself......when the credit is due, I give it. When it's time for me to say I'm wrong....I do. But most of the time, I'm right and you can't stand it because it flies in the face of what you believe. Sorry.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 21, 2009 21:56:13 GMT -5
Oldschoolaggie, You make more sense than anybody on this board. Its not like Penny is at a 1A highschool in North Dakota. The kids that are sometimes overrated usually show big numbers and that's it. They never have the rebounds and assit to go along with the big numbers and this kid has good numbers in all catorgories. By shear numbers everybody can not go to a big Div. 1 school. Why do you think there are multiple mid-major players in the NBA or NFL. Everyone, read this quoted text above. Do you really think that everyone in America is missing out on this great talent except for Jerry Eaves? Do you really think he is getting "squeezed" out and .......BOOM.....Eaves it the lucky culprit? I keep saying this, this guy may really be a solid player. I don't know. But if he isn't, are there some red flags waving in the air that the blue and gold blinders are keeping you from seeing? Come on.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 21, 2009 22:12:36 GMT -5
aahhbigboy, it wouldn't be wise "not to recruit" someone just because the big time schools aren't pursuing him. there could be numerous legitimate reasons why he's not on the big time schools' radar. you've got to remember, coleman didn't have a bunch of big time schools after him either. as i recall, only xavier and western kentucky were in the running when jerry came a callin'. xavier didn't officially offer coleman, coleman got tired of waiting and signed with us. when it comes to college basketball recruiting, most coaches have recruits listed by priority. they make offers to their top priorities but leave the lesser priorities dangling in case the top priorities turn them down. and as top recruits turn them down, the coaches turn to the next priority on their list. so its not unusual for a recruit to be left dangling until the dust settles. penney may have fallen into this category. if he's having academic problems, the major d1's move on because they're not willing to risk a scholarship on a player who may not be able to stay academically eligible. there are numerous reasons why major d1's pass on talented players. but i wouldn't automatically assume a recruit with impressive numbers who is not being pursued by major d1's to be a fluke. averaging 22 plus ppg isn't easy to do no matter what league you play in. since the juco's are recruiting him, it tells me his major problem is academics and not the ability to play basketball. and often times, those are the recruits that wind up at the hbcu's or smaller mid-majors... Using Coleman is probably not a good example. Xavier and WKU are above average schools. I alluded to this in a previous post, but I'm not really talking about majors oldeschool. I'm talking about the dozens of schools within driving distance of this kid. And grades don't stop people from recruiting. They stop the big schools, but MOST of the mid-level schools always have non-qualifiers on the radar. We have different opinions, but I know you know your stuff. You know just as well as I do that if this kid's talent matched his numbers, that he would already be enrolled in someone's prep school. You KNOW the game oldeschool. The keepers NEVER get thrown back. That's why Pitt's young is 24-25 years old. That's why Oak Hill keeps an old player. And for the record, I don't know of any player that hit the MEAC after averaging a double double (over 20 pts) in high school or junior college. It just doesn't happen.
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Post by aggiejazz on Apr 22, 2009 13:41:55 GMT -5
Kentucky boy's all-star team named BY JASON FRAKES • JFRAKES@COURIER-JOURNAL.COM • APRIL 22, 2009 • Two players from Louisville were among the 12 boys named this morning to the Kentucky All-Star basketball team.
Central’s Ridge Wilson and Shawnee’s Corey Jackson were selected to the Kentucky squad that will face the Indiana All-Stars on June 13 at Indianapolis’ Conseco Fieldhouse and June 14 at Bellarmine University’s Knights Hall.
Madisonville-North Hopkins’ Jon Hood automatically made the squad as Kentucky’s Mr. Basketball winner. The other 11 were chosen after tryouts last weekend at Campbellsville University.
Also making the team were Adair County’s Darren Ballou, Apollo’s DeLon Butler, Elliott County twins Ethan and Evan Faulkner, Mason County’s Russ Middleton, Anderson County’s C.J. Penny, Lexington Catholic’s Vee Sanford, Christian County’s Corey Wilford and Fulton City’s Aaron Wilson.
Apollo’s Tony Hopper is the head coach, and Covington Catholic’s Mike Listerman is the assistant.
The teams split last year’s series, Indiana winning 83-82 in Indianapolis and Kentucky winning 96-78 in Louisville. That ended Indiana’s eight-game winning streak in a series it leads 79-42.
Jason Frakes can be reached at (502) 582-4046
Monday, October 20, 2008 Hood, Jenkins top the list Madisonville's Jon Hood and Manual's Jacob Jenkins head the list of the state's top prospects in the recent listing of top players in the state by Rick Bolus of High Potential Scouting Service.
Hood (photo, right) has already committed to the University of Kentucky and is considered the overwhelming favorite for Kentucky's Mr. Basketball this season.
Jenkins (photo, left), a 6-foot-5 sharp shooter, has not committed to a college but is considered the top senior prospect in the Louisville area.
Anderson County's C.J. Penny checks in at No. 3, followed by Lexington Catholic's Vee Sanford, Ballard's Wesley Cox, Scott County's Richie Phares and North Hardin's Greg Johnson.
The No. 8 senior prospect is June Buchanan senior Garrison Collins, Taylor County's Leonard Macon, Franklin County's Andrew Donovan and Taylor County's Chase Cox.
The top sleeper in the state, according to Bolus, is Jeffersontown 6-foot-10 post player Jordan Reeves.
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Post by ATLaggie on Apr 22, 2009 22:21:34 GMT -5
Kentucky boy's all-star team named BY JASON FRAKES • JFRAKES@COURIER-JOURNAL.COM • APRIL 22, 2009 • Two players from Louisville were among the 12 boys named this morning to the Kentucky All-Star basketball team. Central’s Ridge Wilson and Shawnee’s Corey Jackson were selected to the Kentucky squad that will face the Indiana All-Stars on June 13 at Indianapolis’ Conseco Fieldhouse and June 14 at Bellarmine University’s Knights Hall. Madisonville-North Hopkins’ Jon Hood automatically made the squad as Kentucky’s Mr. Basketball winner. The other 11 were chosen after tryouts last weekend at Campbellsville University.Also making the team were Adair County’s Darren Ballou, Apollo’s DeLon Butler, Elliott County twins Ethan and Evan Faulkner, Mason County’s Russ Middleton, Anderson County’s C.J. Penny, Lexington Catholic’s Vee Sanford, Christian County’s Corey Wilford and Fulton City’s Aaron Wilson. Apollo’s Tony Hopper is the head coach, and Covington Catholic’s Mike Listerman is the assistant. The teams split last year’s series, Indiana winning 83-82 in Indianapolis and Kentucky winning 96-78 in Louisville. That ended Indiana’s eight-game winning streak in a series it leads 79-42. Jason Frakes can be reached at (502) 582-4046 Monday, October 20, 2008 Hood, Jenkins top the list Madisonville's Jon Hood and Manual's Jacob Jenkins head the list of the state's top prospects in the recent listing of top players in the state by Rick Bolus of High Potential Scouting Service. Hood (photo, right) has already committed to the University of Kentucky and is considered the overwhelming favorite for Kentucky's Mr. Basketball this season. Jenkins (photo, left), a 6-foot-5 sharp shooter, has not committed to a college but is considered the top senior prospect in the Louisville area. Anderson County's C.J. Penny checks in at No. 3, followed by Lexington Catholic's Vee Sanford, Ballard's Wesley Cox, Scott County's Richie Phares and North Hardin's Greg Johnson. The No. 8 senior prospect is June Buchanan senior Garrison Collins, Taylor County's Leonard Macon, Franklin County's Andrew Donovan and Taylor County's Chase Cox. The top sleeper in the state, according to Bolus, is Jeffersontown 6-foot-10 post player Jordan Reeves. This article provides me with some idea of what level of talent this kid is on. Thanks Jazz
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oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 23, 2009 8:38:57 GMT -5
based on this article, looks like penney is without question one of the top 3 or 4 players in the state of kentucky and i'd luv to see him in an aggie uniform. my only concern is the level of talent in kentucky.
the state of kentucky is known for its college basketball, not its homegrown talent. i mean, we brought in nic simpson out of kentucky last year and he was a rivals.com 2 star recruit, but he had very little impact last year.
however, i think to get one of the top 3 rated players in the state kentucky bodes well for the level of play in the meac. penney has better numbers and is rated higher in kentucky than simpson was, so i think he's a better player than simpson. hopefully he'll sign with us and then we'll have a chance to see first hand how good he is...
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Post by Bigboy on Apr 23, 2009 12:05:32 GMT -5
I agree Oleschool!
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Apr 23, 2009 12:41:32 GMT -5
If he signs, we all will get a chance to see if he is as good as advertised. I'm also looking forward to seeing how well Witter plays. Hopefully, they will get the chance to show off their skills and not sit on the bench for a year. I believe that Nic Simpson needed to have gotten more playing time for the value of gaining experience. He appeared to have some pretty good skills, but made mistakes like most inexperienced players. I just thought that with his size, ball handling and shooting skills he could have used the much needed experience. Didn't see enough of Moorman (KY player) or Jared Williams to know what they can do.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 23, 2009 13:53:37 GMT -5
That article read great. But man 'ol man, I just can't figure that out. This cat has killer numbers for a guard and is getting his due attention via all-star games and write ups.......but nobody wants him except for us. What the heck is going on? lol It's like we're playing the Powerball for 5 million and we're the only one that's bought a ticket. Is ANYone feeling me on this or am I just being "my normal negative self"?
lol
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Post by aggie75 on Apr 23, 2009 14:15:08 GMT -5
Yes, you're being your normal negative self. First you criticize Eaves for not bringing in good players and then when he tries, you complain that he's not looking at red flags. I just hope that none of his recruits get to read your posts on BDV before we sign them.
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