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Post by Maxell on Dec 13, 2008 23:38:34 GMT -5
Maxwell you forget one important figure..... what are the revenues that each program ( you only give a total figure) brings into there budget, then when you look at the net, I think you will get the full picture of the 100K statement that was mentioned earlier. .. If you click the link and scroll up you'll see the revenue. I did look at the revenues. That's how I got the deficit figures. Men's revenues were about $600K+ and expenses were $800K+. Women's revenues were $100K+ and expenses $600K+ . None of those differences were $100K. |
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Post by aggiebornandbread on Dec 14, 2008 0:10:39 GMT -5
OK Maxwell.I got you on the 100K but here are my conclusions and questions...if mens basketball brings in 600K and womens basketball brings in 100K it means that mens basketball brings in 75% of what it cost to run the program based on your figures. Womens basketball brings in close to 17% and football brings in probably 30% of what it cost to run the program.. . So that means the school has to supply 83% of the budget for women, 70% for the women and 25% for the men.. . Another way to look at it is the school puts more money in to the womens program, and the result has been more wins. for womens basketball.... if you put 83% more money into football or mens basketball what will the results be... I could go on but the thought process of what the school puts into mens basketball in relation to the 100K statement still makes sense. And as I have stated before the money that that men's program makes goes to support the other programs and very little comes back to mens basketball in comparison to the other sports..
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Post by Maxell on Dec 14, 2008 1:07:58 GMT -5
The truest statement is that A&T puts a much smaller proportion of non-revenue funds into basketball. That is largely because it can. From looking at the reports, it is not true that it goes to other sports when basketball expenses exceed it's revenue. Women's basketball $$$ are necessary because of title IX. Basketball and Track are the only sports men and women play the same sport at A&T(Baseball/Softball kinda)
The real issue is whether or not the school is willing to move some football funds into basketball in order to build an NCAA ready program year after year.
We may be in denial but we really are a "basketball school"(but we need football to be decent). IF one year (as an experiment) we moved Homecoming to basketball season, had it on the closest weekend to February 1st (A&T Four Weekend), play WSSU or Central at the Coliseum(18,000 cap?), had entertainment events at the other Coliseum venues, still had the parade down Lee St. ending at the coliseum, have an afternoon game and an evening concert, bring in President Obama (or Michelle) to be the Grand Marshal to commenorate the Civil Rights milestone, we would have an event that rivals our current Homecoming.
Add the "Spirit Challenge" from the other thread on the Friday before and you have a new Homecoming weekend to remember!
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Post by aggiebornandbread on Dec 14, 2008 1:39:30 GMT -5
I agree with about 90% of your statement.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 14, 2008 10:15:06 GMT -5
The truest statement is that A&T puts a much smaller proportion of non-revenue funds into basketball. That is largely because it can. From looking at the reports, it is not true that it goes to other sports when basketball expenses exceed it's revenue. Women's basketball $$$ are necessary because of title IX. Basketball and Track are the only sports men and women play the same sport at A&T(Baseball/Softball kinda) The real issue is whether or not the school is willing to move some football funds into basketball in order to build an NCAA ready program year after year. We may be in denial but we really are a "basketball school"(but we need football to be decent). IF one year (as an experiment) we moved Homecoming to basketball season, had it on the closest weekend to February 1st (A&T Four Weekend), play WSSU or Central at the Coliseum(18,000 cap?), had entertainment events at the other Coliseum venues, still had the parade down Lee St. ending at the coliseum, have an afternoon game and an evening concert, bring in President Obama (or Michelle) to be the Grand Marshal to commenorate the Civil Rights milestone, we would have an event that rivals our current Homecoming. Add the "Spirit Challenge" from the other thread on the Friday before and you have a new Homecoming weekend to remember! Only thing is......cold weather and black people are like water and olive oil. It would fail. |
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 14, 2008 12:16:34 GMT -5
No way A&T makes homecoming a basketball event over football. No one and I mean no one would support that idea.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 14, 2008 14:00:15 GMT -5
Gotta agree. The Aggie Juice is loose on this one. We get a couple of wins and now we're a basketball school. Yet, we haven't had more than 1 win in the tourney in at least the last 7 years and hadn't won it in nearly 15 years. Think about what football has done in that time period. Football has outdone basketball by leaps and bounds.
Keep dreaming.
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Post by truthseeker on Dec 14, 2008 15:11:41 GMT -5
Maxwell you forget one important figure..... what are the revenues that each program ( you only give a total figure) brings into there budget, then when you look at the net, I think you will get the full picture of the 100K statement that was mentioned earlier. .. If you click the link and scroll up you'll see the revenue. I did look at the revenues. That's how I got the deficit figures. Men's revenues were about $600K+ and expenses were $800K+. Women's revenues were $100K+ and expenses $600K+ . None of those differences were $100K. maxwell... remember i'm not too bright... i took what was said at a meeting back in the spring... this is where i came up with the 100k... with the mens bball budget was around 650k & made close to 500k ... i think around 20k was made from season ticket sales... can't remember exact figures... so all my #'s will be + or - .... one other thing to keep in mind is that alot of schools do not show all monies that go into athletics as part of the athletic budget... |
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Post by truthseeker on Dec 14, 2008 15:26:35 GMT -5
Gotta agree. The Aggie Juice is loose on this one. We get a couple of wins and now we're a basketball school. Yet, we haven't had more than 1 win in the tourney in at least the last 7 years and hadn't won it in nearly 15 years. Think about what football has done in that time period. Football has outdone basketball by leaps and bounds. Keep dreaming. no aahhbigboy... a&t is a football school... just ask corbett... a coach who won 7 straight meac titles... had 7 straight ncaa appearances... & did not see one red penny go towards his program... when you look at it from don corbetts eyes... a&t is a football school... but when i look up at the raffters in corbett & its hard to find a football banner for all the basketball banners... i wonder who in the hail started the lie that a&t is a football school...  ? sort of like that joke... who called that m_ _ _ _ _ _ f_ _ _ _ _ _ a piccolo player.... |
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Post by truthseeker on Dec 14, 2008 15:36:24 GMT -5
i watched don corbett bring the athletic dept. out of the red & into the black... if the administration really want the athletic dept. to be profitable... the answer is not hard... you spend for the top 3 in mens bball...
& with the women in contention for the ncaa... we could pull a double whammy.. & really make some money...!!!!!!!!!!
but who am i to make such a suggestion... i'm just a dumb ole country boy...
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Post by Maxell on Dec 14, 2008 16:04:07 GMT -5
If you click the link and scroll up you'll see the revenue. I did look at the revenues. That's how I got the deficit figures. Men's revenues were about $600K+ and expenses were $800K+. Women's revenues were $100K+ and expenses $600K+ . None of those differences were $100K. maxwell... remember i'm not too bright... i took what was said at a meeting back in the spring... this is where i came up with the 100k... with the mens bball budget was around 650k & made close to 500k ... i think around 20k was made from season ticket sales... can't remember exact figures... so all my #'s will be + or - .... one other thing to keep in mind is that alot of schools do not show all monies that go into athletics as part of the athletic budget... OK. I see the difference. The figures reported to Dept of Education show MBB expenses as $800K rather than the $650 you used. |
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