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Post by aggiejazz on Dec 11, 2008 11:06:41 GMT -5
But I also believe we wouldn’t do it and even if we did we wouldn’t do it properly at all. Basically, any school that fires successful coaches, hires bad ones to replace them, and doesn’t raise their athletic’s budget for six years straight really doesn’t possess the mentality to make moves that work.and any school that would wait 12 weeks after the firing of its head football coach; 8 weeks after the season ends; and about three weeks before national signing day to hire a head football coach should just get out of the business of collegiate sports altogether, period.
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Post by captaggie on Dec 11, 2008 11:25:37 GMT -5
Irony is us!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 11, 2008 11:26:23 GMT -5
Yep, any chance we had at signing a decent recruiting class this year just went right out the window.
At this point, I don't really see what advantage we got by firing Fobbs midseason. It didn't really help our attendance in those last few games and we still probably won't have a coach in place before the new year. Seems like another missed opportunity.
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Post by captaggie on Dec 11, 2008 11:50:49 GMT -5
One more win - Howard.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 11, 2008 13:26:02 GMT -5
i think the "answer" to all our woes lie with wheels and battle. they're our leadership and that's where it begins. as i mentioned previously, money alone won't solve our problems. we have to have competent effective difference making leadership if we want to have strong athletic programs.
what saddens me is that we have the potential to excel athletically at the fcs level in football and the d1 mid-major level in basketball. it will take a combination of significantly increased funding and competent effective leadership. one can't do without the other, or we'll be wasting our money and time.
few things would make me happier than to see corbett get a very significant upgrade. if we could level the playing field in terms of basketball facilities, i have no doubt we could dominate the meac in basketball. bibbs will dominate regardless, but the women can't carry our entire basketball program.
i think the most attractive a&t attributes that eaves can sell to his recruits is himself (a former nba pro, a d1 championship ring, and name recognition), our fan support (best in the meac), a beautiful campus, a large enrollment, we've upset two major d1's (depaul, smu) in the last two years (no other meac team has), and two consecutive winning conference records. we beat out most of the meac in those categories, but we lose to most of the meac when it comes to facilities.
if we could upgrade corbett to not necessarily be the best facility but to be a top 3 or 4 facility in the meac, we'd be able to "out recruit" almost all of the meac because if our facilities are near equal to the meac's best, no other meac school could match our fan support. our fan support would put us over the top! right now, our fan support is "at best" neutralizing the recruiting advantage of those who have better facilities. but if we can equal the meac's facilities, the meac can't equal our fan support.
it all comes down to leadership and financing. i'm all for raising additional funds for our athletics and if practical, shifting funds to the athletic department. but without competent leadership, i'd say hire competent leadership first. then we can talk about increasing funds. i'm confident that wheels and battle can provide such leadership but only time will tell...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 11, 2008 13:52:27 GMT -5
... And once again, the next athletic fundraising plan I see from A&Twill be the first.
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Post by aggiedog on Dec 11, 2008 14:17:41 GMT -5
The process of expediting the selection of the head coach at A&T is complicated because we interject a search committee. In one of the Aggie Club meetings Wheeler said he would be in a position to announce the head coach by mid December. However, He said the administration would probably cause a delay until the middle of Jan. He didn't mention a search committee but I hear there will be a search committee involved in this head coach selection. If this is true, how does a group of nonfootball experience individuals evaluate talent for a head coach?Thinking out loud or does this make good judgement? What part of the committee will Wheeler play? Will his short list have significants on the final selection? Somebody help me out.
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Post by numberonebrave on Dec 11, 2008 14:38:30 GMT -5
.....................and doesn’t raise their athletic’s budget for six years straight really doesn’t possess the mentality to make moves that work. Are you saying that NCA&T has not raised it's budget for 6 years? Haven't the coaches been coming off the state's dime and on to the athletic budget? Thus, any real increase in the budget has gone to salaries not scholarships. I am just wondering.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 11, 2008 14:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by truthseeker on Dec 12, 2008 18:20:59 GMT -5
without knowing where and how much of our resources are currently allocated to other programs, i can't say we should shift resources to basketball. however, i would agree that we should "create" or raise more revenue for both football and basketball. i specify those two sports because they generate more revenue than all the others. but more money alone doesn't automatically equal more wins. more money must be complemented by competent efficient coaches and athletics administrators. there must be checks and balances in place to assure the funds are spent appropriately and wisely. if we can do that, i'm all for it... here is the kicker... our administration spends 100k on mens bball... that is pathetic... we want 1st place results but we spend for 8th & 9th place... yet the last 2 yrs. we've finished in the top 5... we are over achieving... big time... money spent on womens bball is in the top 2 in the conference... we spend for 1st & bibbs is delivering 1st... not hard to understand there... the money spent... equals the desired results... whats hard to comprehend... is not that the men are over achieving... but that administration will not up the spending on the mens program to at least equal the womens... the solution to get the athletic dept. out of the red & in the black is very simple... our administration does not have the insight to do it...
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Post by Aggie9195 on Dec 12, 2008 23:01:59 GMT -5
Shhhhh! Dont let Ahhbigboy here this! He thinks the budget is more than enough to equal a top 3 finish in the conference or better!
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Post by Maxell on Dec 13, 2008 1:32:17 GMT -5
here is the kicker... our administration spends 100k on mens bball... that is pathetic... ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d31393931303226796561723d32303037267264743d31322f31332f3230303820313a30353a323720414dWhere's the 100K?If you are referring to the difference between revenues and expenses, there is about a $200K deficit makeup spend for MBB and about a $500K one for WBB. Total expenses are below. Expenses by Team 2007-08 Varsity Teams....................................................... Men's Teams .....Women's Teams......Total Basketball ............................................................... $861,473 ............$623,193 .....$1,484,666 Football .................................................................$2,160,296...............................$2,160,296 Total Expenses of all Sports, Except FB and BB.................$766,954 .........$1,479,370..... $2,246,324 Total Expenses Men's and Women's Teams................... $3,788,723 .........$2,102,563 .....$5,891,286 Not Allocated by Gender/Sport ................................................................................ $2,260,973 Grand Total Expenses ............................................................................................ $8,152,259 Revenues and Expenses Summary Grand Total Revenues $8,288,144 Grand Total Expenses $8,152,259
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Post by numberonebrave on Dec 13, 2008 5:51:52 GMT -5
wonder how much the ciaa teams get from their tournament. I wonder how much more they'd get if a .................I am told the CIAA is a sell out each year. If that is true, there would be no more seats to sell if NCA&T joined, thus just more teams to split the same revenue or raise price to $500.00 a book. However, the revenue from the tournament does not pay for anyone's program Too many adm types eat up the revenue by living large that week. Of course that is not to say that NCA&T should not be D-2....Go for it!!
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Post by aggiebornandbread on Dec 13, 2008 7:18:44 GMT -5
Maxwell you forget one important figure..... what are the revenues that each program ( you only give a total figure) brings into there budget, then when you look at the net, I think you will get the full picture of the 100K statement that was mentioned earlier. ..
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 13, 2008 16:08:37 GMT -5
here is the kicker... our administration spends 100k on mens bball... that is pathetic... ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d31393931303226796561723d32303037267264743d31322f31332f3230303820313a30353a323720414dWhere's the 100K?If you are referring to the difference between revenues and expenses, there is about a $200K deficit makeup spend for MBB and about a $500K one for WBB. Total expenses are below. Expenses by Team 2007-08 Varsity Teams....................................................... Men's Teams .....Women's Teams......Total Basketball ............................................................... $861,473 ............$623,193 .....$1,484,666 Football .................................................................$2,160,296...............................$2,160,296 Total Expenses of all Sports, Except FB and BB.................$766,954 .........$1,479,370..... $2,246,324 Total Expenses Men's and Women's Teams................... $3,788,723 .........$2,102,563 .....$5,891,286 Not Allocated by Gender/Sport ................................................................................ $2,260,973 Grand Total Expenses ............................................................................................ $8,152,259 Revenues and Expenses Summary Grand Total Revenues $8,288,144 Grand Total Expenses $8,152,259 It been a long week, but there are couple things I don't understand. 1.) "there is about a $200K deficit makeup spend for MBB and about a $500K one for WBB." What does this mean? 2.) Why is there talk of a $6M budget, when expenses exceed $8.1M and revenue exceed $8.2M?
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