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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 17, 2008 9:41:16 GMT -5
bigboy, How do you know who can coach or not? Are you a coach? Based on your post I'm assuming you would have won this game. Dumb @ss post. Can Fobbs coach? Did you have to coach in the NFL to come to that conclusion? Plus, who said anything about winning the game? Anybody on this board could have found a way for their team to get 2 points in 8 minutes. You sound like an idiot for even taking that position. At least when I critcize, I come with a certain level of competence. Step your game up. lol
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Post by Gator on Nov 17, 2008 9:47:49 GMT -5
weak response!
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Post by dj98 on Nov 17, 2008 10:19:32 GMT -5
(Anybody on this board could have found a way for their team to get 2 points in 8 minutes.)
1. Dump the ball to Coleman in the low post. 2. Give and go wth Coleman and Cam. 3. High screen pick and roll to basket. 4. With the pick and roll either the gaurd can shoot the ball or the big man can slip the screen and become wide open under the basket.... 5. I ain't even a basketball coach.. LOL, LOL, LOL...... 6. I'm a baseball coach.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 17, 2008 10:33:32 GMT -5
To keep from getting frustrated, this season I am gonna act like the men's team does not even exist.
I will be focusing all my energy on following the women's program.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Nov 17, 2008 11:39:32 GMT -5
To keep from getting frustrated, this season I am gonna act like the men's team does not even exist. I will be focusing all my energy on following the women's program. Excellent idea!!!
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Post by pj on Nov 17, 2008 12:24:06 GMT -5
Aggie911, thanks. About the lack of scoring down the stretch. First of all, we need someone like a Jason Wills. There are times in the game that you have to take it to the hoop! period! Make them foul you or score. Now if the outside shots have not been falling, then a team will pack it in on you...or should. But if the opposition is playing man to man then thats when the playbook must be used to attack the weakness. Isolations... ( it does not matter who...guard ,forward, center...somebody in foul trouble on their side, it does not matter. ie Chauncey billups if you are bigger). I did not check out the game, but to me we did not take away their scorer...its easy for me to say that, but harken back to some of our second halves last year, where a team clamped down on Rush last year. He had to work harder. I think that Eaves said it from the jump about leadership. I dont know who was taking the shots but you know how it is. Some guys want the ball & some dont. Also we need some guys that will fight & push to get the rebound at any cost!...and turn it into a Mans game at the end! I just need to see more.
Lastly, I look at our program, and compare it to teams like this and Virginia Commonwealth ect. We have been playing teams like this a long time. These all should be close games, if not wins. There are teams that look at Duke & UNC the same way..Rhode Island came to Durham to play. And there are teams like St Aug & Shaw, that feels the same way about us. We are who we are, but we are not who we should be....a Mid Major that is on "the come up."... really, all of our league teams should eb & flow on that level. But it early & some nights are better than others. I think that this is a good team.
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Post by aggielove on Nov 17, 2008 13:38:17 GMT -5
We were shooting poorly in transition near the end of the second half. Pulling up and missing shots that we made early in the half. Sounds like they might have gotten tired towards the end of the game.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 17, 2008 15:36:11 GMT -5
Eaves can't coach or recruit. Yet there are still those that love him. Can't we all agree that a good coach would be able to get more than 1 point in the final 8 minutes of the game based on know-how alone? That's unacceptable. At least get me 2 free throws. Oh, I forgot. Our big men are 20 feet from the basket handling the ball. Wake up people man, you’re the ultimate pessimist! i guess the coach at depaul shouldn’t have a job using your logic...
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Post by aggiebornandbread on Nov 17, 2008 17:44:19 GMT -5
If you look at the play by play you will notice that in the last 8 minutes and there were at least two or three lays ups missed by Ed and Thomas. I agree you should make more that 1 point in 8 minutes but it aint the first time that a Division 1 basketball team has made 1 point in 8 minutes and it wont be the last. For the baseball coach, all that you mentioned from what I was told did happen, just missed shots from being tired. As for BIGBOY, you must be perfect at your job or retired cause the vigor with which you evaluate most coaches in America wouldnt last but 1-3 years . And since you are not a Eaves fan, I guess I should not expect anything less from you. But based on your posts you should be the next Athletic Director after Wheeler, cause you have all the answers...oops im not sure Ive seen too many solutions to the problem. Seems you dont have the solutions other than fire someone. You just like to B&C. Even when it comes to the womens program you talk about how she can recruit etc but can't coach, so I nominate you as Wheeler's assistant. But then, I don't know what you would complain about then....
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 17, 2008 19:37:32 GMT -5
Eaves can't coach or recruit. Yet there are still those that love him. Can't we all agree that a good coach would be able to get more than 1 point in the final 8 minutes of the game based on know-how alone? That's unacceptable. At least get me 2 free throws. Oh, I forgot. Our big men are 20 feet from the basket handling the ball. Wake up people man, you’re the ultimate pessimist! i guess the coach at depaul shouldn’t have a job using your logic... Depaul? Where did that come from? My pessimism about the men's program serves me ten times better than your optimism does. lol My beliefs never let me down when it comes to them.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 17, 2008 19:52:47 GMT -5
If you look at the play by play you will notice that in the last 8 minutes and there were at least two or three lays ups missed by Ed and Thomas. I agree you should make more that 1 point in 8 minutes but it aint the first time that a Division 1 basketball team has made 1 point in 8 minutes and it wont be the last. For the baseball coach, all that you mentioned from what I was told did happen, just missed shots from being tired. As for BIGBOY, you must be perfect at your job or retired cause the vigor with which you evaluate most coaches in America wouldnt last but 1-3 years . And since you are not a Eaves fan, I guess I should not expect anything less from you. But based on your posts you should be the next Athletic Director after Wheeler, cause you have all the answers...oops im not sure Ive seen too many solutions to the problem. Seems you dont have the solutions other than fire someone. You just like to B&C. Even when it comes to the womens program you talk about how she can recruit etc but can't coach, so I nominate you as Wheeler's assistant. But then, I don't know what you would complain about then.... True, I've made the only negative critique that Bibbs has up here, but my praise for her and her staff has been relentless. But......... I'm trying to figure out what I've said that is so wrong about Eaves. Everything I want from Eaves is what the winning programs are doing. I've made tons upon tons of suggestions up here. Some of the suggestions have even been presented to the staff face to face, believe it or not. You want me to drink the juice you're drinking and I absolutely refuse to. They are consistent underperformers and their winning percentage in-conference proves it. What else is there to be said? And for the record, I work in sales. I'm not perfect, but let's say I'm OK. But if Eaves only closed 38% of his sales in 5 years, HE WOULD FIRST STARVE, AND THEN BE FIRED AT MY JOB!!! LOL, I'm actually glad you brought that up. Only at A&T can you go 2 years and not win a football game and come back for the 3rd year. Or only win 38% of your in-conference basketball games and have job security and support on the fans' message boards. What's wrong with wanting your alma mater to be a top performer?
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Post by aggiebornandbread on Nov 17, 2008 20:18:45 GMT -5
Just as you mention 38% in 50% of your post,, All I'm saying is that the program has improved each year in more than just increase in wins... from 1 to 15 and the the team has won more conference games than lost the last 2 years than in the last 10 years.. Im sure you have the stats so I think given that anybody with an basic common sense would not want to come to A&T with the resources they have deal with all the stuff that A&T gives ( or not give),....; I here you on the 38% as I have asked you before, but give me who you would hire.... and they would accept at the salary we have to offer, Eaves salary is at the lower end of the mens coaches in MEAC, so that fits your thought process.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 17, 2008 20:40:27 GMT -5
You all have the misconception that pay = success. Some are rewarded for their success, but just because you're paying a high number doesn't mean a great coach is going to come. Plus, keep this in mind. When you get hired at an HBCU, nine times out of 10, you are trapped. You won't make it to a big money job because the next level doesn't respect HBCU coaches(when have you ever seen one make it other than Hampton's coach?).
With that being said, I think you have to pull someone that has been successful at the D2 or JUCO level. I would scour conferences like the CIAA. And when I mean scour, I mean I'm looking at young top assistants that have done a great job recruiting on that level. I'm also looking at the proven head coaches on that level. I'm networking with other AD's and seeing what names are being tossed around. I have a couple of names that come to mind, but if you know anything about the coaching profession, people that are looking for jobs don't want to make it known in-season, especially this early. It's inappropriate. Secondly, I would want to have some say in who the top assistant would be. The top assistant is crucial. This is the guy that will be doing most of the recruiting. The vetting process would be thorough.
The coach I would hire would have extensive high school contacts from Georgia to NY. You see, in the MEAC, all you have to have is one or two good players and some know-how and you can do better than 38% in-conference.......just ask Coach Jackson at Del State or Fang at Coppin that won with a good point guard and a whole bunch of garbage. A coach that wants a chance will take our salary.....just ask Coach Bozeman at Morgan or my man at Norfolk. I think that, at least, we would get much further than we have over the last 5 years.
After 5 years, I don't want a team that can only get me 1 point in the last 8 minutes of the game.......I don't care if we're playing UNC. That speaks directly of the coaching and I don't care what any of you Bush , I meant Eaves supporters think.
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Post by aggiebornandbread on Nov 17, 2008 21:02:27 GMT -5
well allof the coaches you mention make more than eaves except norfolkI think,and based on your criteria and history, I dont think you would be happy with any of those coachesn the long run.. would you find fault somewhere or maybe you would be like you say we are .. have your head in the bushes...and againhere we go again with the 38%... Coppin was awful last year and lucked up and won the tournament and it came out in the NCAA. Morgan or Hampton would have represented the conference better,....To me thats who should represent the conference ... the team that wins the regular season, second place or the tournament second place shoud try an go to the NIT if the commissioner works a deal with those folks...
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Post by aggiejazz on Nov 17, 2008 21:11:42 GMT -5
To keep from getting frustrated, this season I am gonna act like the men's team does not even exist. I will be focusing all my energy on following the women's program. There were three scores this weekend and you are only dissappointed in one
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