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Post by dj98 on Oct 30, 2007 15:31:20 GMT -5
(aahhbigboy) Don't blast A&T........ I'm thinking that A&T accepted you and helped your BLACK A** get a job!!!!!!! RIGHT!!!! OK, now every university has there problems we just seem to air it out in the newspaper......... A&T has been around since 1891...... Check out the history before coming to your own conclusion... What you have said can't take away 116 years of sucess.. www.ncat.edu/~alumni/welcomepage/history.htm
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 30, 2007 15:53:23 GMT -5
So aaahhbigboy, is this your view of A&T or one of someone else. I'm a little confused on that point.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Oct 30, 2007 15:58:14 GMT -5
THe education and tools that I got from A&T have far exceeded that that my black counterparts received from white institutions..
-Although a garbage post, this is the same argument raised by kids in high school who dont want to consider HBCU's and unfairly think that they are inferior. I havent really heard it from someone nurtured by an HBCU though..
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Post by jaffejoffa on Oct 30, 2007 17:11:34 GMT -5
I agree when you say that it's not right for people to accept mediocrity. Yea, we're 0-and everything, but at the end of the day, we're an academic institution. Trust me, people in every administration, corporation or university steal and do some shady stuff with funds. If you investigate any school in the UNC system, I'm sure you would see some sort of misappropriation. Of course its always magnified when its colored people, but thats the way it is and we've always known that. WHen you compare A&T's career fair, and the magnitude of Fortune 500's companies that choose to recruit here with UNCG's..There's no comparison at all. I actually know some black students from UNCG and Elon who have actually came to OUR career fair with the hopes of landing a job or securing an internship.
- To answer your question, I think that alot of young black kids, alot like white folks, believe alot of what they see on tv and hear on the radio. It is not until they actually come to an A&T, FAMU, Hampton, Howard etc. that they realize that there is a generation of young blacks out there who is driven, wants to succeed, and has a good head on their shoulders. With that being said, I believe with all my heart that there is nothing that UNC Chapel HIll can give an 18 year old African American child, that A&T cant...Any college that one chooses to attend is what they make it. A driven person will succeed in any environment and a lazy person will fail in any environment. Hope that answered your question
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Post by econgrad71 on Oct 30, 2007 17:40:20 GMT -5
aahhbigboy... Because we're going through some pretty rough times in football, you choose to denigrate my school; you see that (football) as an indictment of the entire university. Amazing. You've made some really asinine comments on some of the other threads on this message board over time, but I just passed them off a lack of maturity or intelligence, or both on your part. However, I now see that I was partly right. You do indeed lack intelligence; in Webster, that's the definition for stupidity.
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Post by viteblufifall80 on Oct 30, 2007 17:46:59 GMT -5
The three questions asked maybe need some words added "In a perfect world". I feel I may have an answer yes depending on the situation, like many AA, I have seen my shares of brothers on lock, ethic situations etc. By no means am I satisfied with the status quote but I clearly understand we don't have the option of a quick fix, remember this move was suppose to do that ( football). So I clearly will judge him by his ability to produce scholar athletes. Hopefully you understand as a race we have reached a point whereas any effort we make to better ourselves we have to judge by the quote "If only one person is made better it is worth the effort" We clearly know that we have our share of "one persons" I don't think any alum has any problem recognizing that.
So as far as that goes, the football program has taken some major moves internally (Adm.) and externally (coach), this board has provided reasonable information on both of these issues. After one more year I feel we as alum and the administration can make a decision. "Remember A&T is a historically Black school not a forever Black school" which is a quote a friend mentioned in a recent conversation. Its up to parents to decide colleges for their children and allow the child to have the appropriate level of input--depending on the child's academics. So if our poor school is so bad --I guess they are SOL, if that was the case Chowan wouldn't be joining CIAA, or TSU going to OVC, so Rome was not built in a day. I heard a quote from a famous former Aggie football player who finished with good grades and all-meac honors, the quote went "A Black school has nothing to offer me" to his guidance counselor, the young man pursued other options and later A&T was his only full ride, as many AA there was limited resources available to pay tuition, long story-made short he ended up as an Aggie. I feel our coach has stopped the bleeding and as Romeo told his Browns the other day- no we have to get our head above water, I see the players playing as a team and beginning to play four quarters allow the man (Fobbs) to do his job for now.
Strictly from a football (football board) perspective-nuff respect to the BDF who makes this possible
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Post by aggiebred09 on Oct 30, 2007 17:55:28 GMT -5
A&T is meeting the need of many borderline Black Students who just meet the minimum standard to attend a University and graduate. How many of your white schools are filling this critical need? That is the mission and overall orginial goal of A&T. That is why we opended our doors, to provide education to those that couldnt attend the PWCs. Now that we are trying to raise our standards we are having to realign alot of other things. Maybe your right my Pride is in the way...Where is yours?
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Post by Freeze on Oct 30, 2007 19:08:53 GMT -5
Warning: This email will seriously piss a lot of you off. Why are all HBCUs sub-standard? Why is it that A&T can't get anything right? We can't win a football game. What's worse is that we are in such a bad position, that we can't even fire this proven loser. I hate to say it but........we need to merge with UNCG and get some smarter leadership if we want to achieve greatness and maintain it. We need some more diversity in Dowdy and not people who are going to steal money. I know, I know. Uncle tom this and uncle tom that. But here it is........ white schools are better, in general. I wouldn't dare send my kid to an HBCU if I really cared about his/her future. Look at the average white school. They don't go through long refund check lines. They get books pre-packed. There are fewer problems. They don't sell 10,000 parking decals when they know they only have 1500 spaces, because they know they are going to make a million by having Sankof (he killed me) give out tickets. The white schools build parking decks and budget wisely to help grow they student body. When is the last time you've seen a white school go 0-25 and the coach not face repercussions? WE (the school) HAVE ACCEPTED MEDIOCRITY!!!!!!!! P.S. - This is just an excerpt of how a conversation went with a white friend of mine and myself over the weekend. I know you're pissed by now, but you're pissed because somebody said it, not necessarily because it's not true. I know I was. Please reply, even if you normally don't. I cant believe I am going to do this. But here it goes... Dear aahhbigboy: This past weekend, you and one of your white homeboys sat down to talk about the state of Aggie football (I assume) and came to the conclusion that: and this is directly taken from what you wrote above: 1. All HBCU's (including your own) are sub standard 2. A&T cant get ANYTHING right 3. A&T needs to merge with UNCG (where in the hell did that come from in a discussion on football I have no idea) 4. We need to diversify our administration because Black folks steal money 5. If you care about the future of your Black children dont send them to black schools like you and your DARK SKIN WIFE DID... 6. White schools have fewer problems than Black schools (I would like to see your research and definiton on what constitutes problems) 7. White schools dont have parking problems on campus (I'd like for you to visit Ohio State where I went to grad school and ask some white students about this one) All of this from a discussion you had with one of your white friends. You say all of this and then prod and poke a board full of Black college students and alums for an INTELLIGENT response. What colossal irony. Your argument (if we can call it that) is so intellectually flawed that I could let one of my prize freshmen students shoot holes in it....because I teach them to write and think critically...something our alma mater apparently forgot to teach you. Allow me to stay above the fray and not result to name calling (although you deserve it with this post). VERY BRIEFLY...This post smacks of self hatred and a complete absence of critical thought on your part. I would be the first one to tell you that Black colleges have NUMEROUS issues. Trust me, I'm a product of one and I am now employed by one. It can be extremely frustrating to deal with some of the ways that we do business and many of our students are reflections of public school systems that have systematically failed the black community. HOWEVER...to completely dismiss the work that these institutions have done and are continuing to do and to somehow try and tie that in with the performance of our football team is idiocy at its highest level. I can only assume that you have never attended a predominantly white institution. For if you did, you would have quite easily assesed the many issues that confront Black students who attend there. They are too numerous to address in this one post, but do trust that white colleges present several challenges for minority students that reflect the fact that those institutions on a whole were not conceived or designed to handle a critical mass of Black students. To be critical of your football team is one thing. To be critical of your administration is one thing. But to suggest that the institution should fold and merge with the crosstown white institution because "black folks cant get right and aint never gonna get right" shows an apalling level of ignorance for someone who claims to have graduated from our beloved alma mater. I encourage YOU to go back and READ your own post and ask yourself...can I really come to these conclusions because our football team sucks and our coach should have never been hired?? This is a knee jerk post on your part and I guess you got me because it really jerked my knee. I was truly hoping that Thrilla would have deleted it because of its level of ignorance but I guess thats what we get when we promote (and rightfully so) the idea of free speech.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 30, 2007 20:24:01 GMT -5
I won't get mad at somebody's opinion because at one time or another we've all probably thought the majority of the post to ourselves (usually when standing in a long line waiting for a class or financial aid). But you really can't equate the quality of the education with the quality of the football team or the management of the school.
I will openly admit the business decisions made by many hbcus are lacking.
I will tell you white schools are generally "better" because they have larger endowments.
I won't tell you that means the instruction that a particular individual gets will be better as a result.
The education I got at A&T was pretty good. Honestly speaking it wasn't good across the board. But several of my professors singled me out and challenged me to excel. Would I have gotten that at UGA? Naw. Wofford? Maybe. Morehouse? Probably.
My personal opinion is that merger with UNCG would turn us into another oversized UNC campus that is missing that personal instruction. The lack of personal instruction is one reason I railed against the increase in students at A&T.
HBCUs are a reflection of black society at large. The same problems the local colored school has you can find in the average black neighborhood. That probably has something to do with the fact that most of the students, professors and administrators at the local colored school come from the average black neighborhood. The ones that have a different outlook are outnumbered (example 1 would be you versus pretty much every other poster on this thread).
I didn't get mad when I read your post. Like I typed, I've thought all of it at one time or another. I have no right to get mad. I do think there are things that could and should be done differently at hbcus but I can't deny that they're by and large a pretty good place to get an education.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 30, 2007 20:25:12 GMT -5
Warning: This email will seriously piss a lot of you off. Why are all HBCUs sub-standard? Why is it that A&T can't get anything right? We can't win a football game. What's worse is that we are in such a bad position, that we can't even fire this proven loser. I hate to say it but........we need to merge with UNCG and get some smarter leadership if we want to achieve greatness and maintain it. We need some more diversity in Dowdy and not people who are going to steal money. I know, I know. Uncle tom this and uncle tom that. But here it is........ white schools are better, in general. I wouldn't dare send my kid to an HBCU if I really cared about his/her future. Look at the average white school. They don't go through long refund check lines. They get books pre-packed. There are fewer problems. They don't sell 10,000 parking decals when they know they only have 1500 spaces, because they know they are going to make a million by having Sankof (he killed me) give out tickets. The white schools build parking decks and budget wisely to help grow they student body. When is the last time you've seen a white school go 0-25 and the coach not face repercussions? WE (the school) HAVE ACCEPTED MEDIOCRITY!!!!!!!! P.S. - This is just an excerpt of how a conversation went with a white friend of mine and myself over the weekend. I know you're pissed by now, but you're pissed because somebody said it, not necessarily because it's not true. I know I was. Please reply, even if you normally don't. I cant believe I am going to do this. But here it goes... Dear aahhbigboy: This past weekend, you and one of your white homeboys sat down to talk about the state of Aggie football (I assume) and came to the conclusion that: and this is directly taken from what you wrote above: 1. All HBCU's (including your own) are sub standard 2. A&T cant get ANYTHING right 3. A&T needs to merge with UNCG (where in the hell did that come from in a discussion on football I have no idea) 4. We need to diversify our administration because Black folks steal money 5. If you care about the future of your Black children dont send them to black schools like you and your DARK SKIN WIFE DID... 6. White schools have fewer problems than Black schools (I would like to see your research and definiton on what constitutes problems) 7. White schools dont have parking problems on campus (I'd like for you to visit Ohio State where I went to grad school and ask some white students about this one) All of this from a discussion you had with one of your white friends. You say all of this and then prod and poke a board full of Black college students and alums for an INTELLIGENT response. What colossal irony. Your argument (if we can call it that) is so intellectually flawed that I could let one of my prize freshmen students shoot holes in it....because I teach them to write and think critically...something our alma mater apparently forgot to teach you. Allow me to stay above the fray and not result to name calling (although you deserve it with this post). VERY BRIEFLY...This post smacks of self hatred and a complete absence of critical thought on your part. I would be the first one to tell you that Black colleges have NUMEROUS issues. Trust me, I'm a product of one and I am now employed by one. It can be extremely frustrating to deal with some of the ways that we do business and many of our students are reflections of public school systems that have systematically failed the black community. HOWEVER...to completely dismiss the work that these institutions have done and are continuing to do and to somehow try and tie that in with the performance of our football team is idiocy at its highest level. I can only assume that you have never attended a predominantly white institution. For if you did, you would have quite easily assesed the many issues that confront Black students who attend there. They are too numerous to address in this one post, but do trust that white colleges present several challenges for minority students that reflect the fact that those institutions on a whole were not conceived or designed to handle a critical mass of Black students. To be critical of your football team is one thing. To be critical of your administration is one thing. But to suggest that the institution should fold and merge with the crosstown white institution because "black folks cant get right and aint never gonna get right" shows an apalling level of ignorance for someone who claims to have graduated from our beloved alma mater. I encourage YOU to go back and READ your own post and ask yourself...can I really come to these conclusions because our football team sucks and our coach should have never been hired?? This is a knee jerk post on your part and I guess you got me because it really jerked my knee. I was truly hoping that Thrilla would have deleted it because of its level of ignorance but I guess thats what we get when we promote (and rightfully so) the idea of free speech. I respect your opinion and actually agree with a lot of it. Let me clear a couple of things up. 1. I am not poking fun at anyone up here that responds without namecalling etc. I haven't done that to anyone and I don't want it done to me. 2. Anyone that knows me will tell you that self hatred is nowhere to be found with me. 3. My friend agreed to disagree on many of his controversial veiws so that is why I am able to agree with so much of what you and Jaffe said. 4. I am in no way dismissing any of the past achievements that past and/or current graduates and faculty have done. I feel like we CAN get it right, but the question that my comments raise are. Why haven't we already? What will it take to start? and Who will it take to get it started? I simply introduced to you what 1 man's view is. If Bill Cosby or Maya Angelou would have made the same statements, most of the people up here probably would be nodding their head in agreement. Is it probably a bit ignorant to address some of these socio-economic issues on a football board? It probably is Freeze. I know and understand that. Trust me, you are not talking to an idiot. All of you are talking to someone who views the same situation differently. I just attempted to tie in the mentality that we can have when too much pride is involved. I think, in a simple (you call it ignorant) way, that mentality has led our athletic program being in the state of peril that it is in now. I know I touched some soft spots, and I knew I would, but it is one man's opinion and I enjoy hearing yours. No matter how much I disagree. Everyone thinks it is ignorant, and everyone is calling for Thrilla to remove the post. I haven't cursed. I haven't attacked anyone. I've simply stated a view that you disagree and maybe got a bit sarcastic with one or two people who mildly attacked me. Don't show your anger when disagreeing, it is unbecoming.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 30, 2007 20:40:35 GMT -5
(Maybe your right my Pride is in the way...Where is yours?) He does not have any, IMO IF we were winning football games you would not be talking at all.... Having pride is when you resolve matters quitley BEHIND closed doors..... Pride would not have let you carry on that conversation with your friend......WE know A&T has problems JUST like other Universities........ Don't put the T on blast wit your friend that will never put his College on blast...... Some of your statements are true but why spread the word, the paper has done a great job of doing that.... Why help?
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Post by dj98 on Oct 30, 2007 20:42:08 GMT -5
I'm not mad at you but why help?
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 30, 2007 20:48:37 GMT -5
I used to carry on conversations like that (well, not just like that) with white buddies and co-workers constantly. Why?
Because I'd rather they get the story from me, the way I would like it to be viewed and presented, than from the freaking news and record or some idiot somewhere.
Now, my response probably would've come out more like, uh, my actual response did than what ahhh's response seems to have come out like, but that's semantics. If you sit there and sugarcoat everything nobody with a brain is going to believe you in the first place. If you agree with everything and pile on they will definitely believe you. If you take the middle ground, tell the truth and highlight the good pernts they'll probably follow your line of thinking.
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Post by firefobbs on Oct 30, 2007 20:52:42 GMT -5
Yea folks aaaaaaaaaghhhbigboy has ruffled some feathers. He is making a lot of valid points. I have a degree from A&T, and it doesnt mean anything. An A&T degree doesnt mean anything. If you have the same credentials as a graduate from UNC, UNCG, NC State, Duke etc and an employer examines the resumes and sees N.C. A&T on the resume, it goes to file 13 (trash can). All this Aggie Pride is ridiculous, from what I have read today Homecoming is A&T's claim to fame right now. The White man says that HBCU's are party schools anyway. The greatest homecoming on earth, the marching band and a basketball team that won 13-15 games for the first time in 6 years and yall bamas are happy. I see people on a daily basis that I graduated with from A&T working at Wal-Mart, Security, telemarketing, etc. Why is this? When I got ready to graduate I went to my dept head to look for a job and this monkey told me to get on the internet. That was his advice. And at the same time I saw this jigaboo 6 months ago and he asks me to join the Aggie Club! Please. The black race as a whole is behind and falling further behind by the minute. All these bamas want to do is ride big rims, smoke weed, fake thug and not try to get ahead. There are some young blacks trying to do some positive things but for the most part its sad. I taught in the Guilford County School system for a while and it was sad to see how many kids that didnt have a clue. Then you bring their bama parents in and you see what the problem is. I have many white friends and they laugh and joke me all the time about the football team. I have come to the conclusion that A&T will forever be a doormat for the rest of the MEAC. I could care less about wins and losses. Then you look at the top monkey (Renick) he has his hand in the cookie jar along with the rest of the bamas in Dowdy. How many times does someone have to get stealing before you put something in place to prevent it? Hey but as long as homecoming is off the hook and you can get a good fish plate you bamas are happy. Aggie Pride? Aggie Pride DIED!!!! Im getting my masters at a white school and Im going to ride the good ol white man to the top. PS save me a fish plate and some pig feet for next homecoming and stay behind the Europeans. And if you keep messing around these hispanics gone pass yall. Yea I said yall. Call me Uncle Ruckus
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 30, 2007 21:05:14 GMT -5
Damn G, got some issues huh?
Having A&T on my resume actually got me an interview with the agency I work for now. It seems the cat that was doing the picking had been a manager in Greensboro at one time in his career. And he was as white as the driven snow. Amazingly enough I took a job in a different city with the same agency. It seems that the other folks that interviewed me for that position were also unfazed by the hbcus on my resume.
The kids today disappoint me too. But then if I was coming along now I would be just like them until I matured. The difference for me was a two parent household. Not everybody needs that, but I did and it has a lot to do with where I am today.
As far as what school you get your degree from, let's see.... At my current job the chick next door has two degrees from Duke, the one across from her has a law degree from Duke, masters from State and undergrad from Meredith. The one next to her has a law degree from Carolina and undergrad from USC. My boss (for now) has two from UGA. The list goes on. There's a chick with an undergrad from Coppin and my black a$$ with the nerve to have an undergrad from A&T and a law degree from Howard. Two "hbcu party schools." Yet somehow I'm working with a bunch of Duke grads.
I would be the first to tell you I'm far from some kind of super homosapien but the line has already formed to tell you that. While I'm disappointed in a lot of the brothers and sisters out here that doesn't keep me from 1. trying to make a positive impact on at least one (each one teach one, ever heard that one?) and 2. making sure I no longer hold myself back.
That ofay school isn't going to make you or break you any more than the hbcu will. Your mentality will.
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