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Post by pj on Jun 18, 2024 18:06:47 GMT -5
I can't give you Books. Because I need to look at the League Teams. But by the time we play Delaware, on the East side, I expect us to beat them. We need to score points to keep pressure on Teams. I expect points to come from Kickoff returns (thereabouts) and from improved QB play. I also believe that we can run the ball this year.
I can't wait to Vibe with a potential Aggie Crowd at Wake, at Thurs before Labor Day wknd. Perfect.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 18, 2024 18:30:30 GMT -5
I love the optimism that some us have.
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 18, 2024 22:09:05 GMT -5
I thought we did fire or replace our last 2 MBB coaches before their contract expired (Shumpert was an interim coach so he doesn't count). They may have voided their contract to where we did not need to pay the remainder of their contract, therefore it may have been by choice that we promoted assistants to the HC job and not money. not speaking for aggiestats, but i think aggiestats is saying that joyner was an assistant on cy alexander's staff and he was promoted to head coach when coach alexander retired/resigned. then, coach jones was an assistant on joyner's staff and then he was promoted to head coach when coach joyner was not retained. i could be mistaken, but i don't think joyner got paid as much as alexander was paid annually and i don't think jones was paid as much as joyner was paid annually. that saves money if both alexander and joyner's contracts were paid out, assuming that the new assistants of joyner and jones made less than they did as assistants... Below is a link proving that Coach Joyner was suspended and Coach Jones became acting HC in December. spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/sports/2020/05/13/acting-head-coach-moving-aggies-forwardWe know that Coach Shumpert was appointed interim HC after Coach Jones was dismissed and a national search was done to hire a new MBB head coach. hbcugameday.com/2022/08/18/nc-at-parts-ways-with-mens-basketball-coach-will-jones/What buyout were we paying throughout Joyner, Jones and Shumpert's entire tenure as HC? Maybe a buyout for football or another sport HC during that time but I don't recall. If none, then the promotions of basketball assistants to HC are not examples of our ability not to be able to afford the buyouts of head coaches IMO. That is why if some answer questions in my thread about Coach Brown's unique contract we may figure out what options A&T has if a certain situation arises which I believe we all pray never happens because we want A&T and all coaches to succeed.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 18, 2024 22:46:24 GMT -5
not speaking for aggiestats, but i think aggiestats is saying that joyner was an assistant on cy alexander's staff and he was promoted to head coach when coach alexander retired/resigned. then, coach jones was an assistant on joyner's staff and then he was promoted to head coach when coach joyner was not retained. i could be mistaken, but i don't think joyner got paid as much as alexander was paid annually and i don't think jones was paid as much as joyner was paid annually. that saves money if both alexander and joyner's contracts were paid out, assuming that the new assistants of joyner and jones made less than they did as assistants... Below is a link proving that Coach Joyner was suspended and Coach Jones became acting HC in December. spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/sports/2020/05/13/acting-head-coach-moving-aggies-forwardWe know that Coach Shumpert was appointed interim HC after Coach Jones was dismissed and a national search was done to hire a new MBB head coach. hbcugameday.com/2022/08/18/nc-at-parts-ways-with-mens-basketball-coach-will-jones/What buyout were we paying throughout Joyner, Jones and Shumpert's entire tenure as HC? Maybe a buyout for football or another sport HC during that time but I don't recall. If none, then the promotions of basketball assistants to HC are not examples of our ability not to be able to afford the buyouts of head coaches IMO. That is why if some answer questions in my thread about Coach Brown's unique contract we may figure out what options A&T has if a certain situation arises which I believe we all pray never happens because we want A&T and all coaches to succeed. hey, no need to drag me into this debate. i was just trying to act somewhat as an interpreter, but i actually could care less about the coaches' contracts, other than just the general terms like pay and for how long. ya'll carry on, but i'm not really interested in the coaches' contracts...
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 18, 2024 23:18:32 GMT -5
Below is a link proving that Coach Joyner was suspended and Coach Jones became acting HC in December. spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/sports/2020/05/13/acting-head-coach-moving-aggies-forwardWe know that Coach Shumpert was appointed interim HC after Coach Jones was dismissed and a national search was done to hire a new MBB head coach. hbcugameday.com/2022/08/18/nc-at-parts-ways-with-mens-basketball-coach-will-jones/What buyout were we paying throughout Joyner, Jones and Shumpert's entire tenure as HC? Maybe a buyout for football or another sport HC during that time but I don't recall. If none, then the promotions of basketball assistants to HC are not examples of our ability not to be able to afford the buyouts of head coaches IMO. That is why if some answer questions in my thread about Coach Brown's unique contract we may figure out what options A&T has if a certain situation arises which I believe we all pray never happens because we want A&T and all coaches to succeed. hey, no need to drag me into this debate. i was just trying to act somewhat as an interpreter, but i actually could care less about the coaches' contracts, other than just the general terms like pay and for how long. ya'll carry on, but i'm not really interested in the coaches' contracts... No harm done. I am not as informed on many A&T topics as you and others so I ask a lot of questions to learn. I typically don't care about coaches contract either, but since Coach Brown has been hired his contract comes up often in conversations of what A&T can and can't do. My curiosity is understanding why by studying A&T's past coaching hire practices. This helps me decide what posted information is pure speculation, has some truth to it, or factual.
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Post by aggiestats on Jun 19, 2024 8:24:18 GMT -5
not speaking for aggiestats, but i think aggiestats is saying that joyner was an assistant on cy alexander's staff and he was promoted to head coach when coach alexander retired/resigned. then, coach jones was an assistant on joyner's staff and then he was promoted to head coach when coach joyner was not retained. i could be mistaken, but i don't think joyner got paid as much as alexander was paid annually and i don't think jones was paid as much as joyner was paid annually. that saves money if both alexander and joyner's contracts were paid out, assuming that the new assistants of joyner and jones made less than they did as assistants... Below is a link proving that Coach Joyner was suspended and Coach Jones became acting HC in December. spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/sports/2020/05/13/acting-head-coach-moving-aggies-forwardWe know that Coach Shumpert was appointed interim HC after Coach Jones was dismissed and a national search was done to hire a new MBB head coach. hbcugameday.com/2022/08/18/nc-at-parts-ways-with-mens-basketball-coach-will-jones/What buyout were we paying throughout Joyner, Jones and Shumpert's entire tenure as HC? Maybe a buyout for football or another sport HC during that time but I don't recall. If none, then the promotions of basketball assistants to HC are not examples of our ability not to be able to afford the buyouts of head coaches IMO. That is why if some answer questions in my thread about Coach Brown's unique contract we may figure out what options A&T has if a certain situation arises which I believe we all pray never happens because we want A&T and all coaches to succeed. Both Joyner and Jones got all their money. If we had money, we would do interims while a search is conducted. If we had money, Jones would have never coached a season and neither would Shumpert have coached our first season in the CAA.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jun 19, 2024 9:48:03 GMT -5
I can't give you Books. Because I need to look at the League Teams. But by the time we play Delaware, on the East side, I expect us to beat them. We need to score points to keep pressure on Teams. I expect points to come from Kickoff returns (thereabouts) and from improved QB play. I also believe that we can run the ball this year. I can't wait to Vibe with a potential Aggie Crowd at Wake, at Thurs before Labor Day wknd. Perfect. Um, you do the same thing in Spades...declare what you "believe" you have before seeing what others have. Looks to me like you have 1 (Delaware), or it could be a possible. And I HOPE you've got WSSU, unlike some other squeamish/PTSD'd Aggies!
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Post by DECKS on Jun 19, 2024 9:51:52 GMT -5
Have we looked at the same contract? Only the Chancellor makes more than him… He can’t afford to go 1-11 this season…but we also are likely not going to remove him with 4 years left on a fully guaranteed deal. And doing so will cause an exodus worst than the one before… And we have seen the speed of hiring at our beloved institution…it’ll be a spiral that will take a while to get out of… It's $400k a year, not $4 million a year. He can be bought out, just like every other college coach in America. Exactly! A former Associate AD at Charlotte once told me no school signs coaches to contracts they can't afford to get out of.
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Post by bluehaze on Jun 19, 2024 10:16:17 GMT -5
I can't give you Books. Because I need to look at the League Teams. But by the time we play Delaware, on the East side, I expect us to beat them. We need to score points to keep pressure on Teams. I expect points to come from Kickoff returns (thereabouts) and from improved QB play. I also believe that we can run the ball this year. I can't wait to Vibe with a potential Aggie Crowd at Wake, at Thurs before Labor Day wknd. Perfect. Um, you do the same thing in Spades...declare what you "believe" you have before seeing what others have. Looks to me like you have 1 (Delaware), or it could be a possible. And I HOPE you've got WSSU, unlike some other squeamish/PTSD'd Aggies! Just to be clear, because I don’t think I put my prediction in the thread, I firmly believe we’ll win around 5 games and if we get a couple of breaks can finish over .500 There’s enough returning talent and incoming additions to make some noise.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jun 19, 2024 10:28:36 GMT -5
Um, you do the same thing in Spades...declare what you "believe" you have before seeing what others have. Looks to me like you have 1 (Delaware), or it could be a possible. And I HOPE you've got WSSU, unlike some other squeamish/PTSD'd Aggies! Just to be clear, because I don’t think I put my prediction in the thread, I firmly believe we’ll win around 5 games and if we get a couple of breaks can finish over .500 There’s enough returning talent and incoming additions to make some noise. My man!
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 19, 2024 11:05:02 GMT -5
It's $400k a year, not $4 million a year. He can be bought out, just like every other college coach in America. Exactly! A former Associate AD at Charlotte once told me no school signs coaches to contracts they can't afford to get out of. Those are FBS rules not FCS
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 19, 2024 11:36:05 GMT -5
Below is a link proving that Coach Joyner was suspended and Coach Jones became acting HC in December. spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/sports/2020/05/13/acting-head-coach-moving-aggies-forwardWe know that Coach Shumpert was appointed interim HC after Coach Jones was dismissed and a national search was done to hire a new MBB head coach. hbcugameday.com/2022/08/18/nc-at-parts-ways-with-mens-basketball-coach-will-jones/What buyout were we paying throughout Joyner, Jones and Shumpert's entire tenure as HC? Maybe a buyout for football or another sport HC during that time but I don't recall. If none, then the promotions of basketball assistants to HC are not examples of our ability not to be able to afford the buyouts of head coaches IMO. That is why if some answer questions in my thread about Coach Brown's unique contract we may figure out what options A&T has if a certain situation arises which I believe we all pray never happens because we want A&T and all coaches to succeed. Both Joyner and Jones got all their money. If we had money, we would do interims while a search is conducted. If we had money, Jones would have never coached a season and neither would Shumpert have coached our first season in the CAA. I respectfully disagree with your last post. The article stated we named Shumpert interim and conducted a search. Additionally, it states "Before Jones could start his third season, his contract as head coach was not renewed." We had money but did not hire right away due to the timing of the dismissal. This may have been the case after the Joyner resignation. An article said the interim tag was soon removed to appoint Jones as HC. Again, we had a choice to have had Jones finished the Spring semester after Joyner's dismissal in December, done a search and not promote an assistant coach. I just discovered 2 articles that Cy Alexander resigned in the middle of the season and took another position at A&T in broadcasting while Joyner was named interim coach and eventually HC. "Jay Joyner was announced as the head men’s basketball coach at North Carolina A&T hours before the Aggies faced Coppin State in a Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference Basketball Championship Tournament game on March 7, 2016. Joyner was named interim head coach weeks earlier on Jan. 29, 2016 after the resignation of Cy Alexander." ncataggies.com/news/2016/1/29/210672595.aspxYou are not going to buyout a coach's contract and give him another position within the university. All evidence points to no buyout of any MBB coaches, A&T's preference to promote assistant coaches, and unexpected resignation/firing. Now this is no evidence that A&T can't afford to buyout Coach Brown's contract or any other coach contract if it had to, but it does prove that whatever was happening with the MBB program and leadership that disclaimers of coaches buyouts limited us from hiring outside MBB coaches.
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Post by DECKS on Jun 19, 2024 11:36:28 GMT -5
Exactly! A former Associate AD at Charlotte once told me no school signs coaches to contracts they can't afford to get out of. Those are FBS rules not FCS Hmm, didn't realize there were separate FBS and FCS rules for sensible business practices? 🤔
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 19, 2024 11:41:37 GMT -5
Exactly! A former Associate AD at Charlotte once told me no school signs coaches to contracts they can't afford to get out of. Those are FBS rules not FCS I don't believe there is such a rule at any level of college competition, but a mindset or wise decision-making so it applies to us in all of our sports.
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Post by bluehaze on Jun 19, 2024 11:43:19 GMT -5
Those are FBS rules not FCS Hmm, didn't realize there were separate FBS and FCS rules for sensible business practices? 🤔 We literally just fired Washington the year after he signed a contract extension. If they want to let somebody go, they can. This ain’t a mom and pop shop.
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