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Post by scotthall2119c on Jun 17, 2024 13:36:04 GMT -5
This should not even be a conversation. We all know what Washington left brown with. From academic problems with some of the athletes to inconsistent talent to no Talent at all at important positions. This is Brown's first recruiting class. If this conversation is to be had it should be two years from now. I told you guys from the beginning of last season that we did not have the overall team talent, we had individual Talent. This is unnecessary conversation at this time. I agree pretty much with everything you said. However losing to a bad Winston team for the season opener erases all excuses and good will. WE ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE TO WSSU!
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 17, 2024 13:43:11 GMT -5
I think only A&T fans were suprised the season went as bad as it did. The fact ppl want Brown gone already is delusional. He really wasnt setup for year 1 success. Hired late, no recruiting, lost all the top players, much more competitive conference, smaller budget. That terrible OC is on him but give the man atleast a few recruiting cycles before pulling out the pitchforks. People all over the place were telling us we were going to suck. Perhaps not 1-10 suck but they said we lost too much and our schedule was ridiculously difficult. This year, I don't see very many pundits out there with a podcast, website, or column picking us to win more than 4 games.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 17, 2024 13:45:06 GMT -5
His salary is basically the guaranteed money we get from scheduling a FBS school each year. I’m not saying it would be fiscally sound, but the cost could be absorbed. What we can’t afford is the 0-27 streak or the O and T jokes. Why can't we? We went 1-10 last season and ticket sales are still strong. GHOE tailgate spots just sold out in record time. Men's basketball was god awful last year and no one seems to be freaking out. Baseball & softball finished near the bottom of the CAA. I dont think our athletic department's business model is predicated on actually winning games. No. However, our fanbase is one that will actually pay to attend games in November and December if we're playing meaningful games. We're generally a blindly loyal bunch.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 17, 2024 13:46:56 GMT -5
We can not afford to pay $1.8M lump sum, we do not get $1.8M from a FBS game. We can afford to give him time...he needs several recruiting classes. Pretty sure, It’s not a lump sum buyout. I haven’t read the contract in a while, but I believe he would just continue to get his salary. The hypothetical we are discussing is that he lost at home to a bad CIAA team, a rebuilding SCSU and Hampton with an interim coach. That’s unacceptable. And we are completely rebuilding our offense and expecting true freshman to positively contribute greatly on the Defensive Line in CAA Games. That's a tough hill to climb even with those 3 games mentioned against WSSU, SC State, and Hampton.
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Post by saabman on Jun 17, 2024 13:55:04 GMT -5
This should not even be a conversation. We all know what Washington left brown with. From academic problems with some of the athletes to inconsistent talent to no Talent at all at important positions. This is Brown's first recruiting class. If this conversation is to be had it should be two years from now. I told you guys from the beginning of last season that we did not have the overall team talent, we had individual Talent. This is unnecessary conversation at this time. I agree pretty much with everything you said. However losing to a bad Winston team for the season opener erases all excuses and good will. So does losing when you have brought in the talent that you handpicked to turn your program around. This is the No excuse year for Coach Brown in my opinion.
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Post by bigboosterhbcu on Jun 17, 2024 13:55:22 GMT -5
I think only A&T fans were suprised the season went as bad as it did. The fact ppl want Brown gone already is delusional. He really wasnt setup for year 1 success. Hired late, no recruiting, lost all the top players, much more competitive conference, smaller budget. That terrible OC is on him but give the man atleast a few recruiting cycles before pulling out the pitchforks. which school do you represent? I'm just fan of HBCU football in general, A&T is the team I root for and keep up with the most
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Post by A&T-roy on Jun 17, 2024 18:54:08 GMT -5
I think only A&T fans were suprised the season went as bad as it did. The fact ppl want Brown gone already is delusional. He really wasnt setup for year 1 success. Hired late, no recruiting, lost all the top players, much more competitive conference, smaller budget. That terrible OC is on him but give the man atleast a few recruiting cycles before pulling out the pitchforks. Agreed. I ain't gonna call them CRAZY, but I'm close!
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Post by A&T-roy on Jun 17, 2024 19:05:33 GMT -5
Pretty sure, It’s not a lump sum buyout. I haven’t read the contract in a while, but I believe he would just continue to get his salary. The hypothetical we are discussing is that he lost at home to a bad CIAA team, a rebuilding SCSU and Hampton with an interim coach. That’s unacceptable. And we are completely rebuilding our offense and expecting true freshman to positively contribute greatly on the Defensive Line in CAA Games. That's a tough hill to climb even with those 3 games mentioned against WSSU, SC State, and Hampton. I don't believe we're "completely" rebuilding our offense. I believe we had last year, and have this year, pieces that will be good for the Brown era. I don't expect true freshmen to positively contribute greatly, but I sure do HOPE some do...especially on our interior defensive line. And I don't believe we need a lot more to beat those teams...better QB performance and d-line upgrades, which I believe we have now.
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Post by aggie30 on Jun 17, 2024 20:17:08 GMT -5
Let’s say we win one game this year. If we keep Coach Brown then he must clean house under him. I am sure those guys are on a one contract. Just be honest, we have a few good coaches under Coach Brown. I hope I am totally wrong. I see us winning 1 or 2 games this season. Both are out of conference. We better not lose either one.
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 17, 2024 20:58:29 GMT -5
What would our conference peers do?
I’ll tell you what they’d do. They’d shut the f**k up and let the man work on building his program.
To my knowledge, no coach in this conference gets tossed early unless he gets caught banging the mascot or something. My advice is to get out of the meac mentality and recognize where we are now.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jun 17, 2024 22:00:06 GMT -5
I have us winning 1 game as of now. What if we lose that 1 game? Should there be a change in guard if we lose that one game? If we lose to the Winston Cows and the Durham Crows, I'm not sure this fan base will give a sh*t about the rest of the season. And Coach Brown has been on thin ice since day one. If he repeats last season disaster, a lot of our fans will think of him as Lee Fobbs II.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jun 17, 2024 22:07:17 GMT -5
A&T can afford to pay a coach $1.6 million just to not coach here? If our paid attendance drops off to a hand full of diehard fans and the band, he's got to go! Paying his salary and collecting nothing at the gate is a double hit. I'm not saying it will not be painful, but we've seen what Lee Fobbs did to our football team and the moral of the alumni.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jun 17, 2024 22:18:28 GMT -5
I think only A&T fans were suprised the season went as bad as it did. The fact ppl want Brown gone already is delusional. He really wasnt setup for year 1 success. Hired late, no recruiting, lost all the top players, much more competitive conference, smaller budget. That terrible OC is on him but give the man atleast a few recruiting cycles before pulling out the pitchforks. Aggies are always overly optimistic when it comes to our sports team and especially football. But Lee Fobbs taught a lot of us alumni that sometimes no matter how optimistic you are, some folks just can't coach and win at this level. Did Coach Brown have a big disadvantage last season? Absolutely! But he's had time to recruit, rebuild and reflect and if he ends up winning just 1 or 2 games, then maybe he isn't the right guy for us. I'm not saying get out the pitchforks, but I think we need to be vigilant.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jun 17, 2024 22:21:33 GMT -5
I agree pretty much with everything you said. However losing to a bad Winston team for the season opener erases all excuses and good will. WE ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE TO WSSU! That's what East Carolina and Jacksonville's fans said about losing to us!
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 18, 2024 4:46:04 GMT -5
A&T can afford to pay a coach $1.6 million just to not coach here? If our paid attendance drops off to a hand full of diehard fans and the band, he's got to go! Paying his salary and collecting nothing at the gate is a double hit. I'm not saying it will not be painful, but we've seen what Lee Fobbs did to our football team and the moral of the alumni. I thought someone here produced data to show that the revenue we get from gate ticket sales is a small percentage of the overall football revenue. We don't have a "good" baseline (but a baseline) as to paid attendance due to our 1-10 record as a 1st time participant in the CAA. I am not sure if comparing paid attendance between the Big South and CAA seasons reflects accurately in the impact of team performance on attendance. Thrilla, do you have a number in mind what A&T can afford to pay if the situation ever arises to buyout a coach? I am not sure if a buyout is always a one-time payout or yearly installments like the contract. I would believe the latter.
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