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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 4, 2024 14:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jun 4, 2024 14:31:31 GMT -5
I wonder how much of this is a result of our decision to promote Phil Shumpert when Koach Jones was fired.
That entire season seemed like a case study in dysfunction so I am sure kids were not going to class as much as they should have.
I dont know if this is a reflection on Coach Ross and the current staff.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 4, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5
I wonder how much of this is a result of our decision to promote Phil Shumpert when Koach Jones was fired. That entire season seemed like a case study in dysfunction so I am sure kids were not going to class as much as they should have. I dont know if this is a reflection on Coach Ross and the current staff. A lot of mid and low-major teams got hit with level one penalties. I think it's a consequence of the Transfer Portal. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 4, 2024 14:50:24 GMT -5
I wonder how much of this is a result of our decision to promote Phil Shumpert when Koach Jones was fired. That entire season seemed like a case study in dysfunction so I am sure kids were not going to class as much as they should have. I dont know if this is a reflection on Coach Ross and the current staff. Single Year APR 22 - 23 = 939 21 - 22 = 920 20 - 21 = 917 18 - 19 = 923 17 - 18 = 979 Jones was the issue not Shumpert |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jun 4, 2024 15:00:00 GMT -5
20-21 & 21-22 were Covid years so those should be considered outliers.
I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think one of those years Jones took over for the previous head coach who was fired unceremoniously. Think that was Joyner maybe.
The one constant in our men's basketball program over the past few years has been change and uncertainty.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 4, 2024 15:04:26 GMT -5
20-21 & 21-22 were Covid years so those should be considered outliers. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think one of those years Jones took over for the previous head coach who was fired unceremoniously. Think that was Joyner maybe. The one constant in our men's basketball program over the past few years has been change and uncertainty. Those are not outliers... Other programs were able to navigate those years without a low APR, excuses. Mens basketball is the only A&T program with APR woes... They were not the only program that endured CoVID. |
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 4, 2024 15:33:48 GMT -5
20-21 & 21-22 were Covid years so those should be considered outliers. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think one of those years Jones took over for the previous head coach who was fired unceremoniously. Think that was Joyner maybe. The one constant in our men's basketball program over the past few years has been change and uncertainty. Those are not outliers... Other programs were able to navigate those years without a low APR, excuses. Mens basketball is the only A&T program with APR woes... They were not the only program that endured CoVID. Transfer. Portal. Shumpert did a good job keeping the team over 930 and I think Ross is doing a fantastic job keeping players on the team. We should be fine but the reduction in practice this season will be another hurdle for the team. But Ross did bade many transfers off and on the team that affected the score. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 4, 2024 16:23:58 GMT -5
i would've expected mbb to take an apr hit given how many guys "transferred" last year. same for football, they'll probably take a hit too for the same reason. the way the apr system works, it is just as important to "retain" your scholarship players as it is for the players to remain academically eligible.
so when virtually the entire team is blown up, it will directly hurt our apr...
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jun 4, 2024 16:51:50 GMT -5
i would've expected mbb to take an apr hit given how many guys "transferred" last year. same for football, they'll probably take a hit too for the same reason. the way the apr system works, it is just as important to "retain" your scholarship players as it is for the players to remain academically eligible. so when virtually the entire team is blown up, it will directly hurt our apr... Single year APR was actually up in 22/23 |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 4, 2024 17:39:59 GMT -5
i would've expected mbb to take an apr hit given how many guys "transferred" last year. same for football, they'll probably take a hit too for the same reason. the way the apr system works, it is just as important to "retain" your scholarship players as it is for the players to remain academically eligible. so when virtually the entire team is blown up, it will directly hurt our apr... Single year APR was actually up in 22/23 i'm just stating how the apr system works. i don't see but 3 scholarship mbb players that returned from shumbert's squad (robinson, duke, felton). that means we get 2 points for each of those 3 for remaining eligible and for staying put. however, i counted at least 6 who had eligibility remaining that transferred (woods, watson, powell, bettis, elliot, harry). the rest did not have any eligibility remaining (johnson, horton, filmore), so we were not penalized for those 3. my count of "scholarship players" (12) may be off a bit cuz i'm not 100% sure who all was on scholarship. but i forgot not to count guys who did not have any eligibility remaining. so by "my count" at least 6 transferred with eligibility left, so that's 6 points that we didn't earn but we should've got credit for those 6 if their gpa's for the spring semester was at or above 2.3 gpa. so we should've gotten 6 out 12 points for those 6 players, 6 out 6 points for the 3 returnees, and probably got full credit for the 3 who expired their eligibility. so in hindsight, it doesn't look as bad when you consider the 3 players who did not have any eligibility remaining. i forgot not to count them... |
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Post by saabman on Jun 4, 2024 18:15:42 GMT -5
I wonder how much of this is a result of our decision to promote Phil Shumpert when Koach Jones was fired. That entire season seemed like a case study in dysfunction so I am sure kids were not going to class as much as they should have. I dont know if this is a reflection on Coach Ross and the current staff. A lot of mid and low-major teams got hit with level one penalties. I think it's a consequence of the Transfer Portal. The TP has nothing directly to doing this. You may lose points when an individual transfer out and in good academic standings, but you gain points when they are picked up by another program and remain eligible at that program.Also the APR calculations I'm based on the previous season going into the new season. This could be the effect from TV and Shumpert that we are seeing now. Ross's APR calculations started the day he hit campus. Personally I think the score will go up under Ross but we will see. |
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Post by aggiechampd on Jun 5, 2024 6:58:35 GMT -5
i would've expected mbb to take an apr hit given how many guys "transferred" last year. same for football, they'll probably take a hit too for the same reason. the way the apr system works, it is just as important to "retain" your scholarship players as it is for the players to remain academically eligible. so when virtually the entire team is blown up, it will directly hurt our apr... If they transfer and somebody picks them up…it doesn’t affect our APR… And if I recall…all of our portal players were picked up so we are good there…. |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 5, 2024 12:07:30 GMT -5
i would've expected mbb to take an apr hit given how many guys "transferred" last year. same for football, they'll probably take a hit too for the same reason. the way the apr system works, it is just as important to "retain" your scholarship players as it is for the players to remain academically eligible. so when virtually the entire team is blown up, it will directly hurt our apr... If they transfer and somebody picks them up…it doesn’t affect our APR… And if I recall…all of our portal players were picked up so we are good there…. Several posters have stated that the transfer players must also remain eligible the following semester for A&T to get the full APR credits. |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 5, 2024 12:33:28 GMT -5
20-21 & 21-22 were Covid years so those should be considered outliers. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think one of those years Jones took over for the previous head coach who was fired unceremoniously. Think that was Joyner maybe. The one constant in our men's basketball program over the past few years has been change and uncertainty. Those are not outliers... Other programs were able to navigate those years without a low APR, excuses. Mens basketball is the only A&T program with APR woes... They were not the only program that endured CoVID. I would not blame this on Covid. Men's basketball program has less scholarships to offer than that of WBB (12 or 13 vs 15). This means MBB has less room for error. Transfers and new HS recruits can greatly impact your APR. 2022-23 academic year may have been the worst year in MBB school history for the highest number of Freshmen and transfers. You all remember your 1st semester or year in college. The adjustment can be tough for some. If Coach Ross has properly addressed this issue, then next academic year these players (now one year older) will have GPAs that will cancel out a few low freshmen GPAs if they occur. Bottom line is that I am not too surprised even though I hate that we fell below standards. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 5, 2024 13:27:02 GMT -5
Those are not outliers... Other programs were able to navigate those years without a low APR, excuses. Mens basketball is the only A&T program with APR woes... They were not the only program that endured CoVID. I would not blame this on Covid. Men's basketball program has less scholarships to offer than that of WBB (12 or 13 vs 15). This means MBB has less room for error. Transfers and new HS recruits can greatly impact your APR. 2022-23 academic year may have been the worst year in MBB school history for the highest number of Freshmen and transfers. You all remember your 1st semester or year in college. The adjustment can be tough for some. If Coach Ross has properly addressed this issue, then next academic year these players (now one year older) will have GPAs that will cancel out a few low freshmen GPAs if they occur. Bottom line is that I am not too surprised even though I hate that we fell below standards. 22-23 was the the issue, it was previous years. single season APR 22-23 = 939 (Shumper/Ross) 21-22 = 920 (Jones) 20-21 = 917 (Jones) 18-19 = 923 (Jones) 17-18 = 979 |
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