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Post by planoaggie on Mar 5, 2024 1:11:39 GMT -5
Sometimes when you have less players available to play it is simpler to coach and get comfortable as a player due to extended minutes. As a coach when you are trying to keep too many players happy (afraid of transfer or not a big separation in talent or skill) you can dilute how well your team can actually compete. Managing minutes versus keeping the best players out on the floor at the right moment. Also, a player getting more time maybe more relax knowing they won't get sent to the bench if they make 1 or 2 mistakes. I am not saying that is what happened here, just saying. The good news is that they showed up and played very well under the circumstances. This, absolutely, could have been the case. Others are that: - Campbell may have been over-confident with Glasper and Murphy out. - Our team may have played harder knowing Glasper and Murphy were out. Who knows what really happened. True dat. |
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Post by saabman on Mar 5, 2024 4:14:14 GMT -5
If the coach does not have an issue with it then no big deal under the circumstances that we are not in the running for any championship or titles. Now if this turns into a habit then I will form an opinion that Coach Ross is not the right man for the job. You must have an extremely good reason to miss games in my opinion. People place different weight of importance or value on certain things. I once disagreed with my cousin who is the HC of my high school basketball team about why he was ok with a player missing an important bball game. This kid was our best bball player, but he had scheduled a football recruiting trip on the day that we played our biggest rival who was ranked in the top 5 in the state. We were ranked #1 in the state at the time, playing an away game, and riding a 78 game winning streak (state record). My cousin, the HC, told the kid to don't worry about it go on your trip. We lost the game by one or 2 points. The streak ended, but we won the state championship that year. So who was right? My cousin or me. The kid played college football and went on to play in the NFL for more than 10 years I believe. I still tell my cousin that I disagree with him to this day, but guess what? He is the coach and he had his reasons for making the decision that he did. He felt that he had other kids that would step up to the occasion. He is at practice with those kids everyday. That situation I have know problem understanding because recruiting visits are important especially when you are transitioning to the next level. I can even understand Ross releasing the kids to go on an intern interview visit. But for Fraternity coming out presentation at a local church, no I can't get with that. I mean I could see if we were not even in the tournament. But we are even though we may not be in there alone or even if the young man was injured I can live with that. But he but if he is enabled body and can play it would be hard for me to release him to attend that ceremony or whatever it was. You have to think about your other players especially when they are going into the tournament. It doesn't sit a good example in my opinion. But you are correct that's Ross's team to lead the way he wants to. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 5, 2024 17:07:15 GMT -5
.......... missed a regular season game ............. I'm with you on this Thilla. Your loyalty is to the institution that's paying your bills not to your fraternal Association is he on "scholarship"? i mean, normally i would expect the players to place a top priority on participating in all games "if" they're on scholarship. but hamilton didn't normally play very many minutes, often didn't even get off of the bench until we got hit with a "slew" of injuries. however, to be honest (cuz i'm a Nupe), crossing the sands into a divine 9 organization is a "once in a lifetime" experience that stays with you for the rest of your life. you can't "redo" or makeup that experience, akin to walking across the stage for "graduation". can't "redo" or makeup graduation ceremonies, same for crossing the sands. so because he's not a top rotation guy on the team (i "assume" not on scholarship) who doesn't often see significant playing time, i'm giving him a "pass" on his absence cuz after all, he's got "good taste" relative to fraternity selections...  |
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 5, 2024 18:33:29 GMT -5
He's a walk-on. Been a walk-on since his freshman year and he's an outgoing senior.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 6, 2024 8:53:02 GMT -5
Has the Campbell game been on the schedule since the start of the season?
Would any player request to miss a regular season game for a fraternity function if the team was still in title contention?
The things you allow/tolerate as a head coach when building your program are the things you implicitly endorse.
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Post by Agg E. Pride on Mar 6, 2024 9:10:17 GMT -5
Hamilton is/was a legacy. His older brother was Spring 18 and played basketball as well. I've found him and his older brother to be respectful of process and protocol. More than likely, he had a sit down with Ross and given his role, there were no objections.
AN had 4 footballers cross as well, and I'm guessing that they were some tired MoFos going through those pre-dawn workouts. Pledging during the athletic season has always been a challenge, regardless of chapter, and was/is rarely done at A&T. When we were there (85-89), there were some athletes who got down Fall 85-Spring 89 with the various D8 (There were no Iotas on the yard then), but rarely were they "in season." Some, incredibly, waited until Spr 90 to get down when their eligibility was up and they "had time."
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Post by saabman on Mar 6, 2024 9:10:23 GMT -5
He's a walk-on. Been a walk-on since his freshman year and he's an outgoing senior. So what if he is a walk-on. He is still a part of the team . If he is a walk-on that lettered or received his letter that shows that he is somewhat of a contributor regardless of how small it is, You don't receive a letter for just being on the team sitting on the bench and not seeing the Court in practice as a contributor or in a game. I've had situations with individuals on our track team that were not allowed by their religion affiliation to engage in activities on Sundays the Sabbath are those that had family issues. Even at my rebirth I had to wait till the next birthing because of my bonded commitment to our football team in Germany. But I'm old school.This is Ross's team and he dictates his own actions when it comes to his players. I may not like it but I respect it. Congratulations to the young men. |
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Post by saabman on Mar 6, 2024 9:55:28 GMT -5
Hamilton is/was a legacy. His older brother was Spring 18 and played basketball as well. I've found him and his older brother to be respectful of process and protocol. More than likely, he had a sit down with Ross and given his role, there were no objections. AN had 4 footballers cross as well, and I'm guessing that they were some tired MoFos going through those pre-dawn workouts. Pledging during the athletic season has always been a challenge, regardless of chapter, and was/is rarely done at A&T. When we were there (85-89), there were some athletes who got down Fall 85-Spring 89 with the various D8 (There were no Iotas on the yard then), but rarely were they "in season." Some, incredibly, waited until Spr 90 to get down when their eligibility was up and they "had time." I know at West Texas athletes were not allowed to pledge in season when I was there. Coach Gene Mayfield and the AD made that clear in season fraternity pledging will not be tolerated to all of their athletes. As coach Mayfield would say " if you're going pledge and interfere with my season . Then let those down fraternities pay for your scholarship because your dedication is to the institution and this football program not some damn fraternity 😆 😂 😜. |
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 6, 2024 11:33:33 GMT -5
He's a walk-on. Been a walk-on since his freshman year and he's an outgoing senior. So what if he is a walk-on. He is still a part of the team . If he is a walk-on that lettered or received his letter that shows that he is somewhat of a contributor regardless of how small it is, You don't receive a letter for just being on the team sitting on the bench and not seeing the Court in practice as a contributor or in a game. I've had situations with individuals on our track team that were not allowed by their religion affiliation to engage in activities on Sundays the Sabbath are those that had family issues. Even at my rebirth I had to wait till the next birthing because of my bonded commitment to our football team in Germany. But I'm old school.This is Ross's team and he dictates his own actions when it comes to his players. I may not like it but I respect it. Congratulations to the young men. Oleschool simply asked a question about his status as a scholarship player or a walk-on. I gave him an answer. There was no insinuation of anything else on this end. |
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Post by aggiechampd on Mar 6, 2024 13:25:44 GMT -5
Hold on. A player on the team missed a regular season game just so he could pledge a fraternity? Please tell me you are joking. Coach Ross is a Nupe as well. I’m pretty sure he didn’t mind. |
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Post by aggiechampd on Mar 6, 2024 13:27:03 GMT -5
I get what you're saying on one hand ,but it's not like we are are in contention for winning anything in MBB this year . You don't have to be in contention for anything. You can't build team continuity and camaraderie with actions such as this. His teammates could have been fine with it. And probably liked the fact that the coach allowed it. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 6, 2024 13:34:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure a lot of players on the roster have mentally checked out after a 7-24 season and a 9 game losing streak. Maybe some of the coaches have too.
Doesn't mean you start compromising your core values when it comes to building a championship basketball program.
Having players miss regular season games just to attend frat meetings is not something winning programs do.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Mar 6, 2024 15:11:46 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure a lot of players on the roster have mentally checked out after a 7-24 season and a 9 game losing streak. Maybe some of the coaches have too. Doesn't mean you start compromising your core values when it comes to building a championship basketball program. Having players miss regular season games just to attend frat meetings is not something winning programs do. Either way, it happened and it didn't affect our efforts against Campbell as we almost won that one. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 6, 2024 16:01:16 GMT -5
If we "almost won" but didn't, I would think not having a key player available did in fact have some effect on the outcome.
If he wasn't at the frat meeting, he might could have helped us get the victory.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 6, 2024 16:17:20 GMT -5
If we "almost won" but didn't, I would think not having a key player available did in fact have some effect on the outcome. If he wasn't at the frat meeting, he might could have helped us get the victory. i don't think he was at a "frat meeting" per se'... |
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