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Post by saabman on Nov 2, 2023 13:54:36 GMT -5
I'm admittedly confused. Would that money have any effect on athletics or was it all for academic programs and per-student spending? Could we have pushed some of that money towards athletics? Did NC State? Or would the per-student spending apply to money towards athletics somehow? I would that that it would cover all institutional related programs . Athletics is a institutional program and it's up to the institution as to how they disperse the funds.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 2, 2023 14:17:18 GMT -5
I'm reading the statement in the article "[ i]t all comes down to how much money NC A&T got per student compared to their land-grant counterpart, NC State."
In reading the letter the USDA sent to Roy Cooper, it states in pertinent part "[t]hese funds could have supported infrastructure and student services and would have better positioned the university to compete for research grants."
It reads to me to be almost a stretch to say the monies could have been used for athletics unless we wisely and shrewdly did things like built stadiums and facilities with classrooms inside.
I guess I'm having trouble lining the money we're due up with NIL legislation, or honestly with the athletics side of things at all. I can see the "trickle down effect" to a certain extent, but I suspect that that money would be very carefully earmarked for use exactly as intended, i.e., infrastructure, student services, and to better position the university to compete for research grants as noted above.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 2, 2023 14:31:59 GMT -5
I'm reading the statement in the article "[ i]t all comes down to how much money NC A&T got per student compared to their land-grant counterpart, NC State." In reading the letter the USDA sent to Roy Cooper, it states in pertinent part "[t]hese funds could have supported infrastructure and student services and would have better positioned the university to compete for research grants." It reads to me to be almost a stretch to say the monies could have been used for athletics unless we wisely and shrewdly did things like built stadiums and facilities with classrooms inside. I guess I'm having trouble lining the money we're due up with NIL legislation, or honestly with the athletics side of things at all. I can see the "trickle down effect" to a certain extent, but I suspect that that money would be very carefully earmarked for use exactly as intended, i.e., infrastructure, student services, and to better position the university to compete for research grants as noted above. DOOMS you are a very smart man, BT's post has nothing to do with NIL. There is no logical connection between a non-state funded NIL and money for academic programs and buildings. Just because you have 15K students and nice buildings doesnt mean your alums and will support a NIL for athletes. We have diehard "fans" in this group and none have started an A&T NIL collective.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 2, 2023 14:44:35 GMT -5
We have diehard "fans" in this group and none have started an A&T NIL collective. You said you joined an A&T NIL collective. Please tell us how that has worked out.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 2, 2023 15:06:53 GMT -5
We have diehard "fans" in this group and none have started an A&T NIL collective. You said you joined an A&T NIL collective. Please tell us how that has worked out. Why?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 2, 2023 15:15:27 GMT -5
Why not? You are browbeating fans for not creating a new A&T NIL collective. Please share you personal experience on how successful the current A&T NIL collective that you are a part of has been.
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Post by saabman on Nov 2, 2023 15:16:31 GMT -5
I'm reading the statement in the article "[ i]t all comes down to how much money NC A&T got per student compared to their land-grant counterpart, NC State." In reading the letter the USDA sent to Roy Cooper, it states in pertinent part "[t]hese funds could have supported infrastructure and student services and would have better positioned the university to compete for research grants." It reads to me to be almost a stretch to say the monies could have been used for athletics unless we wisely and shrewdly did things like built stadiums and facilities with classrooms inside. I guess I'm having trouble lining the money we're due up with NIL legislation, or honestly with the athletics side of things at all. I can see the "trickle down effect" to a certain extent, but I suspect that that money would be very carefully earmarked for use exactly as intended, i.e., infrastructure, student services, and to better position the university to compete for research grants as noted above. Athletics are student resources, because athletes are students also . Your correct about the NIL connection because NIL should have nothing to do with institutional management. Because NIL contact agreements are private agreements between athletes and none-institutional connected individuals- business and should not be connected with the institutions . Outside of the institutions rules addressing What the athletes can or can not do when using the institutions name or likeness. I think that it's a political move by politicians to not justify paying the billions that are owed to the HBCU institutions by attaching NIL to the bill as pork to testify not pain.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 2, 2023 15:23:53 GMT -5
Why not? You are browbeating fans for not creating a new A&T NIL collective. Please share you personal experience on how successful the current A&T NIL collective that you are a part of has been. It is best that you ask the athletes that the NIL supports.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 2, 2023 15:28:41 GMT -5
I'm reading the statement in the article "[ i]t all comes down to how much money NC A&T got per student compared to their land-grant counterpart, NC State." In reading the letter the USDA sent to Roy Cooper, it states in pertinent part "[t]hese funds could have supported infrastructure and student services and would have better positioned the university to compete for research grants." It reads to me to be almost a stretch to say the monies could have been used for athletics unless we wisely and shrewdly did things like built stadiums and facilities with classrooms inside. I guess I'm having trouble lining the money we're due up with NIL legislation, or honestly with the athletics side of things at all. I can see the "trickle down effect" to a certain extent, but I suspect that that money would be very carefully earmarked for use exactly as intended, i.e., infrastructure, student services, and to better position the university to compete for research grants as noted above. Athletics are student resources, because athletes are students also . Your correct about the NIL connection because NIL should have nothing to do with institutional management. Because NIL contact agreements are private agreements between athletes and none-institutional connected individuals- business and should not be connected with the institutions . Outside of the institutions rules addressing What the athletes can or can not do when using the institutions name or likeness. I think that it's a political move by politicians to not justify paying the billions that are owed to the HBCU institutions by attaching NIL to the bill as pork to testify not pain. Saab, These two topics are not related, BT just being BT and conflating subjects to make a point by using irrelevant information. What is a political move? They wanted to kick HBCUs out of DIv1 because the HBCU conferences sent a letter to Congress stating they cant afford to treat athletes like employees. Congress solution is to kick you out of Div1 if you cant afford it, nothing more nothing less.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 2, 2023 15:35:55 GMT -5
Why not? You are browbeating fans for not creating a new A&T NIL collective. Please share you personal experience on how successful the current A&T NIL collective that you are a part of has been. It is best that you ask the athletes that the NIL supports. Why? You are the one who donated his hard-earned money to the initiative. You know what the return on your investment has been. You are now here telling other fans that they need to follow your lead with the NIL support. You can't even share how successful that experience has been for you?
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 2, 2023 15:56:04 GMT -5
It is best that you ask the athletes that the NIL supports. Why? You are the one who donated his hard-earned money to the initiative. You know what the return on your investment has been. You are now here telling other fans that they need to follow your lead with the NIL support. You can't even share how successful that experience has been for you? Again, please ask the athletes whom the NIL supports. Its not an investment, from my perspective it is a donation...my reward is knowing that I am helping a young student athlete. The experience has been personally satisying and successful.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 2, 2023 16:05:28 GMT -5
So why do you want A&T fans to create a separate NIL Club? Should we just send our money to the one you are currently involved with?
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 2, 2023 16:48:10 GMT -5
So why do you want A&T fans to create a separate NIL Club? Should we just send our money to the one you are currently involved with? That is definitely an option, however you would like to support I support you.
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Post by saabman on Nov 2, 2023 18:05:14 GMT -5
I'm reading the statement in the article "[ i]t all comes down to how much money NC A&T got per student compared to their land-grant counterpart, NC State." In reading the letter the USDA sent to Roy Cooper, it states in pertinent part "[t]hese funds could have supported infrastructure and student services and would have better positioned the university to compete for research grants." It reads to me to be almost a stretch to say the monies could have been used for athletics unless we wisely and shrewdly did things like built stadiums and facilities with classrooms inside. I guess I'm having trouble lining the money we're due up with NIL legislation, or honestly with the athletics side of things at all. I can see the "trickle down effect" to a certain extent, but I suspect that that money would be very carefully earmarked for use exactly as intended, i.e., infrastructure, student services, and to better position the university to compete for research grants as noted above. Athletics are student resources, because athletes are students also . Your correct about the NIL connection because NIL should have nothing to do with institutional management. Because NIL contact agreements are private agreements between athletes and none-institutional connected individuals- business and should not be connected with the institutions . Outside of the institutions rules addressing What the athletes can or can not do when using the institutions name or likeness. I think that it's a political move by politicians to not justify paying the billions that are owed to the HBCU institutions by attaching NIL to the bill .
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 29, 2023 20:27:39 GMT -5
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