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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 20, 2023 9:55:50 GMT -5
At a certain point schools need to stand on their own two feet. After the state government has already cut those two feet from under them for decades with documented, systemic racism. That is your starting point for when you want things to suddenly be equal. Again, HBCUs need to stand on their own two feet versus looking for handouts and crying all the time. Take control of your own destiny. Systemic racism isn't why less than 5k people attended the Morgan vs NCCU game last night.
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Post by saabman on Oct 20, 2023 13:32:31 GMT -5
You are correct, I do not care. Its about what are we doing to help ourselves... life isnt fair. Not attending games, not donating...we arent helping ourselves. It's way more to it than that. Especially in an environment where if you aren't in the P4, you're scraping the barrel when it comes to TV contracts (the largest "athletic department subsidy"). So what you're basically saying is that the Big 10 and SEC can control all of the TV money and leave us to fend for ourselves. But in reality, even the NFL has a sort of revenue sharing model that allows all teams to adequately fund what they got going on. And in an era where Student Athletes should be classified as employees, there needs to be a way for all these kids to benefit, not just those that are in the SEC. Because hey, a neck injury doesn't care what level of the game it happens on. This is what the NCAA provides www.statepress.com/article/2023/01/college-football-players-deserve-better-health-care# and yes it should be immensely improved because a lot of sports related injuries do not show up until later in life an athlete's only have a 2-year window to report symptoms from those injuries and even then there is only a one-time $ 90,000 out of pocket deductible depending on the injury at which most of these kids and Families cannot afford. Yes the NCAA needs to widen their coverage packages to accommodate long-term injury related symptoms. But again I ask what does that have to do with NIL ? NIL contacts should be a separate contractual agreement between the athlete and the sponsor altogether with no connection to the institutions.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 20, 2023 13:36:49 GMT -5
It's way more to it than that. Especially in an environment where if you aren't in the P4, you're scraping the barrel when it comes to TV contracts (the largest "athletic department subsidy"). So what you're basically saying is that the Big 10 and SEC can control all of the TV money and leave us to fend for ourselves. But in reality, even the NFL has a sort of revenue sharing model that allows all teams to adequately fund what they got going on. And in an era where Student Athletes should be classified as employees, there needs to be a way for all these kids to benefit, not just those that are in the SEC. Because hey, a neck injury doesn't care what level of the game it happens on. This is what the NCAA provides www.statepress.com/article/2023/01/college-football-players-deserve-better-health-care# and yes it should be immensely improved because a lot of sports related injuries do not show up until later in life an athlete's only have a 2-year window to report symptoms from those injuries and even then there is only a one-time $ 90,000 out of pocket deductible depending on the injury at which most of these kids and Families cannot afford. Yes the NCAA needs to widen their coverage packages to accommodate long-term injury related symptoms. But again I ask what does that have to do with NIL ? NIL contacts should be a separate contractual agreement between the athlete and the sponsor altogether with no connection to the institutions. Congress wanted to do more than just regulate NIL, which was a no fly zone for the SEC and Tommy T. It's all a slippery slope when Congress gets involved.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 20, 2023 17:24:46 GMT -5
Again, HBCUs need to stand on their own two feet versus looking for handouts and crying all the time. Take control of your own destiny. So you have no problem whatsoever with documented, systemic racism that negatively affects your alma mater and other HBCUS ... but policies that you deem to be unfair to PWIs is where you draw the line.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 20, 2023 17:59:38 GMT -5
Again, HBCUs need to stand on their own two feet versus looking for handouts and crying all the time. Take control of your own destiny. So you have no problem whatsoever with documented, systemic racism that negatively affects your alma mater and other HBCUS ... but policies that you deem to be unfair to PWIs is where you draw the line. My world does not revolve around race or what is and is not fair, my world revolves around controlling your own destiny, hard work and sacrifice. You not listening, I do not care 😂😂 You are the one caught up on race, I do not believe it is right to take anyone’s money and give it to someone else.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 20, 2023 21:48:47 GMT -5
You are the one caught up on race, I do not believe it is right to take anyone’s money and give it to someone else. Conservative governments have literally taken money from your alma mater and other HBCUs for decades through documented, systemic racism and gave it to someone else. Your response: "Stop crying and begging for a handout" ------ A proposal to have the SEC and other Power 5 conferences subsidize the NIL capabilities of HBCU conferences and other smaller schools. Your response: "This is the worst thing to happen to America since they passed the 13th amendment"
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Post by saabman on Oct 20, 2023 22:10:40 GMT -5
This is what the NCAA provides www.statepress.com/article/2023/01/college-football-players-deserve-better-health-care# and yes it should be immensely improved because a lot of sports related injuries do not show up until later in life an athlete's only have a 2-year window to report symptoms from those injuries and even then there is only a one-time $ 90,000 out of pocket deductible depending on the injury at which most of these kids and Families cannot afford. Yes the NCAA needs to widen their coverage packages to accommodate long-term injury related symptoms. But again I ask what does that have to do with NIL ? NIL contacts should be a separate contractual agreement between the athlete and the sponsor altogether with no connection to the institutions. [J/quote]Congress wanted to do more than just regulate NIL, which was a no fly zone for the SEC and Tommy T. It's all a slippery slope when Congress gets involved. Again NIL is a personal contactoral agreement between the athletes and there sponsors that has no direct contact or interaction with the institutions or the NCAA. Outside of the NCAA providing standards, rules and practices to protect the athletes and institutions . Congressional oversight should have no say at all pertaining to what the institutions should do or not do for athletes under contract/scholarship with them . NIL on the other hand is a civil contract agreement between athletes and sponsors so I can see where intervention could possibly be needed but not with the institutions. So again I ask " what does NIL have to do with the NCAA and institutional accountability.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 21, 2023 7:39:53 GMT -5
Again NIL is a personal contactoral agreement between the athletes and there sponsors that has no direct contact or interaction with the institutions or the NCAA. Outside of the NCAA providing standards, rules and practices to protect the athletes and institutions . Congressional oversight should have no say at all pertaining to what the institutions should do or not do for athletes under contract/scholarship with them . NIL on the other hand is a civil contract agreement between athletes and sponsors so I can see where intervention could possibly be needed but not with the institutions. So again I ask " what does NIL have to do with the NCAA and institutional accountability. Saab, It's Congress. You should know how it is when it comes to Congress and bills. Congresspeople, with ties to various special interest groups, are going to use this as an attempt to get their interests taken care of. And for Democrats, they're listening to groups that want student-athletes to be classified as employees so they can unionize. NIL was an attempt to satsify groups after the Supreme Court decision in the Alston Case.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 21, 2023 8:09:31 GMT -5
You are the one caught up on race, I do not believe it is right to take anyone’s money and give it to someone else. Conservative governments have literally taken money from your alma mater and other HBCUs for decades through documented, systemic racism and gave it to someone else. Your response: "Stop crying and begging for a handout" ------ A proposal to have the SEC and other Power 5 conferences subsidize the NIL capabilities of HBCU conferences and other smaller schools. Your response: "This is the worst thing to happen to America since they passed the 13th amendment" Its not my alma mater money, it is tax payer dollars. Yes my response is stop crying, who cares...move forward. Correct, it's the SEC money...no one should take their money and give to another school as a handout. I am tired of everyone asking for handouts and making excuses....move forward and quit crying all the time.
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 21, 2023 9:15:35 GMT -5
I am glad that some student-athletes are getting paid, but overall I hate the NIL system because of its disproportionate division of funds to the student-athletes between the sports programs at an individual school; between the schools within the same conferences; and between the different NCAA divisions. If Congress is trying to create new NIL laws to balance out how to address the needs of student-athletes that truly need the additional financial assistance regardless of sport, school name, conference, or division, I am for it. Everyone does not need to get the same amount (like a stipend), but they need to spread the money to more student-athletes in my opinion. The NCAA got off big time in my opinion on not taking care of the players and passing the buck to the alumni, donors, and community businesses.
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Post by aggiechamp on Oct 21, 2023 11:29:36 GMT -5
This discussion sounds like to me, wait for it, a discussion about reparations. Me personally, I’m in favor of reparations. However, I recognize that a certain segment of the populace will always believe that the past should be forgotten and you should just move on. While I disagree with that perspective, I respect it and have long ago learned that anything that I say is unlikely to change anyone’s opinion on this matter.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 21, 2023 13:27:16 GMT -5
This discussion sounds like to me, wait for it, a discussion about reparations. Me personally, I’m in favor of reparations. However, I recognize that a certain segment of the populace will always believe that the past should be forgotten and you should just move on. While I disagree with that perspective, I respect it and have long ago learned that anything that I say is unlikely to change anyone’s opinion on this matter. Like this, Reparations is going to need both sides of the aisle to agree and. It slip in poison pill provisions other side won’t vote for.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 2, 2023 12:34:27 GMT -5
Conservative governments have literally taken money from your alma mater and other HBCUs for decades through documented, systemic racism and gave it to someone else. Your response: "Stop crying and begging for a handout" ------ A proposal to have the SEC and other Power 5 conferences subsidize the NIL capabilities of HBCU conferences and other smaller schools. Your response: "This is the worst thing to happen to America since they passed the 13th amendment" Its not my alma mater money, it is tax payer dollars. Yes my response is stop crying, who cares...move forward. Correct, it's the SEC money...no one should take their money and give to another school as a handout. I am tired of everyone asking for handouts and making excuses....move forward and quit crying all the time.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 2, 2023 12:57:06 GMT -5
I'm admittedly confused. Would that money have any effect on athletics or was it all for academic programs and per-student spending?
Could we have pushed some of that money towards athletics? Did NC State? Or would the per-student spending apply to money towards athletics somehow?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 2, 2023 13:19:18 GMT -5
Even if the entire $2 billion was earmarked solely for academic programs, the subsequent infusion of cash would eventually have a trickle down effect to the athletic budget.
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