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Post by aggiestats on Nov 25, 2023 17:50:47 GMT -5
Our problem is that we hire for financial reasons. We hire guys at the sunset of their career that are just collecting checks or guys with no experience. When are we going to make a splash hire and ask donors to help finance the hire? I also think that we are currently putting too much emphasis on hires having CAA experience.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 26, 2023 18:43:54 GMT -5
Coach Jones was ok in certain things, but I felt he and his staff was untrustworthy and from how the players left so easily I believe they felt it as well. that doesn't make sense to me. the players left "after" coach jones was let go, not "during" coach jones' tenure. if they didn't think he was trustworthy, then why wait 'til he's fired to transfer? they could have transferred "before" he got fired if that was the case. i don't see it that way, actually quite the opposite. coach jones was responsible for signing "several" (not just 1 or 2) 4star players to play at a&t. so he clearly was an outstanding "recruiter" which means his recruits liked him. i don't recall seeing any "mass transfers" during coach jones tenure. only after shumpert was let go... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 26, 2023 18:46:13 GMT -5
Then why do people today still claim that A&T is a basketball school? This is not directed at you. Anyone can chime in. I say that we are currently a football school albeit bad at it right now. I mentioned this last season but will repeat it again. The men's basketball team is going to have a hard time competing in the CAA because of the amount of money these basketball only schools in the CAA is pumping into their basketball program (players and coaches). To do well we can't afford to slip in recruiting not one single year and right now it is too early to determine if Coach Ross is the right hire to turn our MBB program around. On the other hand our WBB is in good shape because there is probably not that greater of a gap in coach's salaries (guessing) and we have a coach that is on equal par with the other coaches in the CAA when it comes to basketball coaching and developing skills. We had so much success in the 70s and 80s. We had 10 twenty win seasons in those decades www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/north-carolina-at/and the early 90's too! |
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 26, 2023 19:52:02 GMT -5
Coach Jones was ok in certain things, but I felt he and his staff was untrustworthy and from how the players left so easily I believe they felt it as well. that doesn't make sense to me. the players left "after" coach jones was let go, not "during" coach jones' tenure. if they didn't think he was trustworthy, then why wait 'til he's fired to transfer? they could have transferred "before" he got fired if that was the case. i don't see it that way, actually quite the opposite. coach jones was responsible for signing "several" (not just 1 or 2) 4star players to play at a&t. so he clearly was an outstanding "recruiter" which means his recruits liked him. i don't recall seeing any "mass transfers" during coach jones tenure. only after shumpert was let go... Sorry Oleschoolaggie. See when I try to be brief I leave out some details. My comments were tying Jones and Shumpert tenure together since they were on staff together and their offensive strategy was essentially the same. Things started with Jones and just deteriorated from there as for as trust. Coach Jones let those players down if his actions were off the field and he was warned what would happen if repeated (I don't know what happened), generally speaking. |
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Post by saabman on Nov 27, 2023 14:33:17 GMT -5
Coach Jones was ok in certain things, but I felt he and his staff was untrustworthy and from how the players left so easily I believe they felt it as well. that doesn't make sense to me. the players left "after" coach jones was let go, not "during" coach jones' tenure. if they didn't think he was trustworthy, then why wait 'til he's fired to transfer? they could have transferred "before" he got fired if that was the case. i don't see it that way, actually quite the opposite. coach jones was responsible for signing "several" (not just 1 or 2) 4star players to play at a&t. so he clearly was an outstanding "recruiter" which means his recruits liked him. i don't recall seeing any "mass transfers" during coach jones tenure. only after shumpert was let go... TV was a terrible coach that had no idea how to use the talent that he had . Yes he was a great defensive mind but he had no idea how to use his Bigger players, had no concept of in and out play or how to use motion on offense, also his teams had little to no discipline or Court awareness especially when Kam was not on the floor to direct them . TV was a terrible and unstructured coach. |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 27, 2023 14:46:38 GMT -5
.....and with all of that being said, Coach Jones had our program in the healthiest shape it had been in decades. We were a top team in the MEAC (before we moved to the Big South) under Jones' leadership. Yes, he struggled in the Big South, but when you switch to a conference that has a higher power ranking, there will be growing pains. The past few years in the MEAC under Jones were GOOD YEARS....arguably the best we've had in DECADES.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 27, 2023 14:49:56 GMT -5
.....and with all of that being said, Coach Jones had our program in the healthiest shape it had been in decades. We were a top team in the MEAC (before we moved to the Big South) under Jones' leadership. Yes, he struggled in the Big South, but when you switch to a conference that has a higher power ranking, there will be growing pains. The past few years in the MEAC under Jones were GOOD YEARS....arguably the best we've had in DECADES. But was that sustainable success in the MEAC or was it fools gold? |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 27, 2023 15:04:43 GMT -5
Sustainable......per my opinion. Club Corbett was at its best under Jones. The atmosphere, style of play, etc.....it was the best it had been in YEARS. Whether you liked him or you didn't, those last few years in the MEAC under him were very solid.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 27, 2023 15:40:45 GMT -5
that doesn't make sense to me. the players left "after" coach jones was let go, not "during" coach jones' tenure. if they didn't think he was trustworthy, then why wait 'til he's fired to transfer? they could have transferred "before" he got fired if that was the case. i don't see it that way, actually quite the opposite. coach jones was responsible for signing "several" (not just 1 or 2) 4star players to play at a&t. so he clearly was an outstanding "recruiter" which means his recruits liked him. i don't recall seeing any "mass transfers" during coach jones tenure. only after shumpert was let go... TV was a terrible coach that had no idea how to use the talent that he had . Yes he was a great defensive mind but he had no idea how to use his Bigger players, had no concept of in and out play or how to use motion on offense, also his teams had little to no discipline or Court awareness especially when Kam was not on the floor to direct them . TV was a terrible and unstructured coach. the only problem i had with coach jones was that he didn't value the outstanding talent that he had in "harry". other than that, there was a "big difference" between the way the team played under coach jones compared to coach shumpert. way less disciplined and very little team play during shumpert's watch. say what you want about coach jones but the man was an "outstanding" recruiter. right off the top of my head, he brought "multiple" 4star players to a&t (i.e., watson, woods, duncan powell, blake harris, kwe parker). that's some of the best mbb talent that we've seen at a&t. he wasn't the best x's and o's coach in the world, but his teams played "exciting" basketball and for a while (when r. jackson and d. haygood were on the team), we were known for "alley oop" dunks! and that's when "club corbett" became "club corbett". i actually liked coach jones except for how he handled harry. i would've liked to have seen more "structure" during his tenure but he gets a high grade for "team excitement" and he also gets a high grade for having a winning record over moton... |
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Post by saabman on Nov 30, 2023 11:52:49 GMT -5
TV was a terrible coach that had no idea how to use the talent that he had . Yes he was a great defensive mind but he had no idea how to use his Bigger players, had no concept of in and out play or how to use motion on offense, also his teams had little to no discipline or Court awareness especially when Kam was not on the floor to direct them . TV was a terrible and unstructured coach. the only problem i had with coach jones was that he didn't value the outstanding talent that he had in "harry". other than that, there was a "big difference" between the way the team played under coach jones compared to coach shumpert. way less disciplined and very little team play during shumpert's watch. say what you want about coach jones but the man was an "outstanding" recruiter. right off the top of my head, he brought "multiple" 4star players to a&t (i.e., watson, woods, duncan powell, blake harris, kwe parker). that's some of the best mbb talent that we've seen at a&t. he wasn't the best x's and o's coach in the world, but his teams played "exciting" basketball and for a while (when r. jackson and d. haygood were on the team), we were known for "alley oop" dunks! and that's when "club corbett" became "club corbett". i actually liked coach jones except for how he handled harry. i would've liked to have seen more "structure" during his tenure but he gets a high grade for "team excitement" and he also gets a high grade for having a winning record over moton... Never said he couldn't recruit . He just couldn't coach on the offensive end of the floor . Also recruiting good talent and using the talent effectively that you recruited are two different things. TV had no idea what he had on this team, especially with the use of The Bigs. That's why I said he was a terrible coach, excellent recruiter but a terrible coach on the offensive end. |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 30, 2023 12:19:22 GMT -5
Jones was 19-5 (MEAC record) in his 2 years at A&T.
I must also give credit to Jay Joyner. He did have a 24-8 MEAC record after his disastrous 1st full year (1-15).
I just felt that Jones's brand of ball, in conjunction with his ability to use social media, made him better suited in this day and age to do bigger things (while we were in the MEAC).
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Dec 1, 2023 16:16:28 GMT -5
With the exception of three blips, basketball has been bad for 25 years. And it’s a lot easier to have a competitive basketball team than football team. Norfolk is showing that right now. This is a definite sore spot on Hilton’s resume. True 1979–1993 Don Corbett 20 Win Seasons on a Regular! 1993-94 Jeff Chapel, Sr 1994-1999 Roy Thomas 1999-2003 Curtis Hunter |
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Post by pj on Dec 2, 2023 8:59:02 GMT -5
NC A&T has made some bad decisions with the Men's Basketball program. We need some consistency. Mr Hilton made some poor character choices. I miss Jerry Eaves. Men's Program 2003–2012 Jerry Eaves 2012–2016 Cy Alexander 2016–2020 Jay Joyner 2020-2022 Will Jones Women's Program 2012 - present Terrell Robinson =============================== Capel Bounced. I liked Eaves as a hire in Terms of a Coach who had been in the League ect. He could not get over the hump. Cy did, and was kind of was at the end of His career along with His wife battling illness. Joyner and Jones had some internal problems with Players. They Both were the fiery Type ( which is not a knock to me), as the Transfer rules relaxed over the years, it provided a different challenge to unlocking a player's motivation. Covid took away a Potential Championship in Norfolk, with that Kam-above the Rim Team, I think. But didn't Joyner and Jones each win the League? And maybe stumbled vs Moton in the Tourney? Robinson has been liked by default. I've always liked Him, as a successor to Coach Bibbs, and how He did things. He lost Players, and has been knocked for not being able to pivot fast enough during a particular game ect. But The Man deserves a packed gym every game. A&T wants to be a True mid-major. And one that Teams does not like to Play. Like a Davidson ect. Winning the League in the Big South or CAA has Teams to get around, really like the MEAC now with Howard and maybe Norfolk. Hilton has given Coaches a chance. (If they stay out of their own way). To develop and just win. We dont need to be a School that is paying former Coaches because of a short leash. Today's Portal favored Jones, imo. "Inconsistent" Leadership, yes to a degree, but I understand it. Now... here we are. I |
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 2, 2023 9:14:17 GMT -5
NC A&T has made some bad decisions with the Men's Basketball program. We need some consistency. Mr Hilton made some poor character choices. I miss Jerry Eaves. Men's Program 2003–2012 Jerry Eaves 2012–2016 Cy Alexander 2016–2020 Jay Joyner 2020-2022 Will Jones Women's Program 2012 - present Terrell Robinson =============================== Capel Bounced. I liked Eaves as a hire in Terms of a Coach who had been in the League ect. He could not get over the hump. Cy did, and was kind of was at the end of His career along with His wife battling illness. Joyner and Jones had some internal problems with Players. They Both were the fiery Type ( which is not a knock to me), as the Transfer rules relaxed over the years, it provided a different challenge to unlocking a player's motivation. Covid took away a Potential Championship in Norfolk, with that Kam-above the Rim Team, I think. But didn't Joyner and Jones each win the League? And maybe stumbled vs Moton in the Tourney? Robinson has been liked by default. I've always liked Him, as a successor to Coach Bibbs, and how He did things. He lost Players, and has been knocked for not being able to pivot fast enough during a particular game ect. But The Man deserves a packed gym every game. A&T wants to be a True mid-major. And one that Teams does not like to Play. Like a Davidson ect. Winning the League in the Big South or CAA has Teams to get around, really like the MEAC now with Howard and maybe Norfolk. Hilton has given Coaches a chance. (If they stay out of their own way). To develop and just win. We dont need to be a School that is paying former Coaches because of a short leash. Today's Portal favored Jones, imo. "Inconsistent" Leadership, yes to a degree, but I understand it. Now... here we are. I Jones was definitely a good salesman!! He was a smooth talker and definitely related to the generation. He is like the cool uncle that would allow a nephew to drink with him and talk about women. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 2, 2023 18:13:32 GMT -5
True 1979–1993 Don Corbett 20 Win Seasons on a Regular! 1993-94 Jeff Chapel, Sr 1994-1999 Roy Thomas 1999-2003 Curtis Hunter and you didn't even mention warren reynolds who also had 20 win seasons on the regular. gene littles took over after warren reynolds and he continued the winning, 20 plus wins on the regular... |
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