MBB vs UVA

[DOOMS]

Let’s be realistic. With computers, AAU, facilities, nil, etc., it’s impossible for a kid to fall through the cracks unless you get real lucky. A big with any skill will be close to impossible for us to get until we’re well established and have massive infrastructure improvements and funding increases.

It’s a lot to compete against when your resume is blank and your facilities are behind your competitors, d-2 schools with less stringent academic requirements, and schools with greater resources.

Good players have choices. What exactly could you sell a good big on to come to T? Or any kid without baggage? GHOE? Girls? 😂. Man you can got to UNCG and get better facilities and support, a better team, and still grab a GHOE ticket and four A&T girls. Shoot, folk on this board know that 😂

I’d be curious to know how we could out recruit these teams with what we have currently. Any ideas?

[aggieblackie2]

Dooms from what you stated we should have kept our a$$ in the MEAC.

[DOOMS]

Blackie my brother, we is where we is now. The thing is the folks who made the decision owe everybody the proper support to make this thing work and to make it sustainable. And they’re behind schedule.

As a CAA team I feel like we should be competitive with a UVA for 3/4 of the game at a minimum. And we should have the facilities and budget for a kid, whether from within an hour of Greensboro or another country altogether, to be recruited, developed, and retained. A kid that’s solid academically and athletically.

The frustration is real. I’m sure everybody feels it. To be fair I don’t know if any team in the history of the school was going to go in there and win the other night. But a team with some of the legends would make UVA sweat pretty damn hard until the end.

In today’s world, how can we get those types to come to us?

[westcoastaggie]

Nov 16, 2023 0:39:32 GMT -5 aggieblackie2 said:

Dooms from what you stated we should have kept our a$$ in the MEAC.

LaVell Moton is complaining about recruiting now and we know his Eagles are in the MEAC. This issue is beyond conference affiliation. NIL and the Portal make it more difficult to retain quality talent on the low and mid-major level.

[westcoastaggie]

Nov 16, 2023 7:24:00 GMT -5 DOOMS said:

Blackie my brother, we is where we is now. The thing is the folks who made the decision owe everybody the proper support to make this thing work and to make it sustainable. And they’re behind schedule.

As a CAA team I feel like we should be competitive with a UVA for 3/4 of the game at a minimum. And we should have the facilities and budget for a kid, whether from within an hour of Greensboro or another country altogether, to be recruited, developed, and retained. A kid that’s solid academically and athletically.

The frustration is real. I’m sure everybody feels it. To be fair I don’t know if any team in the history of the school was going to go in there and win the other night. But a team with some of the legends would make UVA sweat pretty damn hard until the end.

In today’s world, how can we get those types to come to us?

1. A new arena
2. FCOA + NIL Money from boosters like Willie Deese.
3. More stringent transfer rules.

[Bornthrilla]

Will we have a new arena on campus in the next 5 years? Of course not.

Why is that even on your list?

[Aggie Monster]

I dont buy none of these excuses about it being hard to recruit here and win when the women continue to be VERY competitive and just beat Wake Forest.

[planoaggie]

Let's give this young team some more time to adjust to each other and playing at the college level. We should not expect this team of guards to ever out rebound their opponents but only get better at it as the season progresses. Now better shooting and shot selection is a different story. I just hope that they are a better shooting team than what they have demonstrated thus far. It's early and maybe they will look better against CAA opponents. I still don't expect them to win much, but to be more competitive, shoot better, and to defend well on the perimeter. They are giving up too many 3s, but maybe this is because they are sagging so much to help the post inside that they can't recover quickly to get out on the perimeter shooters.

I disagree with some of you that keep commenting that we don't have D1 players on this team. Most of these players were ranked comparable to other players that are currently playing at other D1 programs. That is a slap in the face to these young men that have worked hard to get to this level. This was not given to them. They earned it and we chose them. I believe a lot of the problem is that many of these kids are playing out of position from what they were use to in HS, therefore struggling to learn or adjust to doing other things they were never called to do in HS. Why is it that certain players that were known to be stars or all-stars stats or performance suffer when they play with LeBron? They get less shots, less time dribbling the getting a rhythm, or have to take a shot or do something late in the shot clock. At high school or their community college the ball aways found them.

If you ever played sports or coached a competitive team you know this is real. Additionally, Vanderbilt finishes near the bottom of the SEC in football every year. Do you think their fans say that they are not D1 players? No, they probably question whether they are SEC quality players. Why do we have to describe our players as D2 or lower level players Let's? The CAA and even the MEAC or not the worse D1 conference in MBB. Let's stop belittling "all" these A&T MBB players about they don't deserve their D1 scholarships and put the blame where it truly lies. Our MBB program has gone down for whatever reason anyone of us want to argue and can not compete at a championship level like the good old days. Don't you know that in these player's mind or their parents it is an honor for them to play and represent A&T. I will be with most of you in critique of the team's play and coaching when the time is right for me, but please don't let your disappointment in the program attack these players we welcome with open arms if not deserved. Is that what we are about? I hate losing just like all of you and feel someone needs to figure out how we get this program back on track. Typically, the players are not the 1st thing to fix. Think about it.

[westcoastaggie]

Nov 16, 2023 8:10:50 GMT -5 Bornthrilla said:

Will we have a new arena on campus in the next 5 years? Of course not.

Why is that even on your list?

Because we need it.

[westcoastaggie]

Nov 16, 2023 9:05:43 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

I dont buy none of these excuses about it being hard to recruit here and win when the women continue to be VERY competitive and just beat Wake Forest.

Two different games.

[Aggie Monster]

Nov 16, 2023 9:25:31 GMT -5 westcoastaggie said:

Nov 16, 2023 9:05:43 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

I dont buy none of these excuses about it being hard to recruit here and win when the women continue to be VERY competitive and just beat Wake Forest.

Two different games.

I knew someone would say that, but I'm not talking about Xs and Os(which an argument could be made basketball is basketball). I'm talking in terms of facilities, perks, etc people keep listing as reasons for lack of recruiting good players. In some cases it may even be worse for the ladies in comparisons to what the competition is offering. But yet the ladies are generally always better and get some pretty decent players. Or it appears they do because they are competitive. Coaching makes a difference.

Now this men's team. Its hard to look good when you dont have legit big men to play with. How much can your guards and small forwards do with no big man threat on the team at all? Iverson wouldn't even look good playing with no bigs. Thats gotta be rough.

[planoaggie]

Nov 16, 2023 9:05:43 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

I dont buy none of these excuses about it being hard to recruit here and win when the women continue to be VERY competitive and just beat Wake Forest.

I agree with some of the things you said. Money and appearance on TV mean more to men than women when it comes to recruiting. But a lot of the other issues apply equally to our MBB and WBB program, so why the difference in results as you highlighted. Easy. It starts at the top and not the players. The MBB team have gone through a dreaded period of inconsistency in HC. While we were in the MEAC we were able to remain respectable even though many people recognized that we should have been better or done better with the built-up of the team or the competition we faced that season. Well we moved to a different conference with better teams and expected similar or better results when we did not resolve our coaching problem and on top of that we started losing good or okay talent to the transfer portal without equivalent returns from the portal or HS.

If you think I am kidding then look at our performance from 2017 to 2020 season in the MEAC and think back on what issues we started having with our HCs. We then limped into these other conference with baggage and assumed we could overlook our faults like we always operated.

meacsports.com/standings.aspx?standings=3

This ties in with my other above essay. 🙂😀

[planoaggie]

Nov 16, 2023 9:44:34 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

Nov 16, 2023 9:25:31 GMT -5 westcoastaggie said:

Two different games.

I knew someone would say that, but I'm not talking about Xs and Os(which an argument could be made basketball is basketball). I'm talking in terms of facilities, perks, etc people keep listing as reasons for lack of recruiting good players. In some cases it may even be worse for the ladies in comparisons to what the competition is offering. But yet the ladies are generally always better and get some pretty decent players. Or it appears they do because they are competitive. Coaching makes a difference.

Now this men's team. Its hard to look good when you dont have legit big men to play with. How much can your guards and small forwards do with no big man threat on the team at all? Iverson wouldn't even look good playing with no bigs. Thats gotta be rough.

I was typing when you wrote this. I agree coaching makes a difference in the play we see on the court and the recruiting.

[saabman]

Nov 15, 2023 23:09:49 GMT -5 DOOMS said:

Let’s be realistic. With computers, AAU, facilities, nil, etc., it’s impossible for a kid to fall through the cracks unless you get real lucky. A big with any skill will be close to impossible for us to get until we’re well established and have massive infrastructure improvements and funding increases.

It’s a lot to compete against when your resume is blank and your facilities are behind your competitors, d-2 schools with less stringent academic requirements, and schools with greater resources.

Good players have choices. What exactly could you sell a good big on to come to T? Or any kid without baggage? GHOE? Girls? 😂. Man you can got to UNCG and get better facilities and support, a better team, and still grab a GHOE ticket and four A&T girls. Shoot, folk on this board know that 😂

I’d be curious to know how we could out recruit these teams with what we have currently. Any ideas?

Simple cousin Overseas. There is a reason that UNCG takes a summer trip each season to Europe. If you can't find them here they have developmental Basketball Academies in Europe , Africa ,Asia . There is know reason we shouldn't reach out to fill the needs we can't find here .

[DOOMS]

That goes into recruiting budget. Plus you have to establish a pipeline.

Let's say for argument's sake we establish a pipeline to somewhere in Somalia, and we start winning some games and people take notice. How long will it be before the pipeline ends up cut by other teams with more resources?

I'm not saying we shouldn't even establish the pipeline; I'm saying we already need to be thinking two or three steps ahead after that point and be ready for the next thing that's bound to happen. We don't do that well at all.

Nov 16, 2023 9:05:43 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

I dont buy none of these excuses about it being hard to recruit here and win when the women continue to be VERY competitive and just beat Wake Forest.

You used the word "buy." And that's the key point. Bowling is also kicking a$$. But guess what bowling and women's basketball aren't? Money sports.

If it's a money sport it is much more difficult off the top, unless you're Deion Sanders or something.

I don't believe there's been a coach in the history of our school that could successfully out-recruit most of our competition in today's landscape with the prima donna players who have multiple options that almost all have better support. Especially not to the point they could get enough players to hang within 15 of UVA.

Our basketball coach was head coach at the UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE. We're not even the biggest nor best funded basketball school on Market Street. It's incumbent upon the school to outspend our competition in order to even keep even with them.