Who was more of a program destroyer?

[Bornthrilla]

Curtis Hunter or George Small?



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Yes, Small lucked his way into a MEAC championship his first year here, but, looking back now, can you honestly say the our football program was left in a better shape than the A&T basketball program when Hunter got canned?

To me, this one is a toss up.

[bluehaze]

[4XLAGGIE]

bluehaze said:

Amen. The defense rests...

[Bornthrilla]

Damn! LOL!

[DOOMS]

Unfortunately, Jim C. gets my vote. One of your nominees couldn't even get funds to get the fed ex bill paid and the other one had a recruiting budget almost high enough to fill up that purty bus.

[Bornthrilla]

As tight as James C was with the dollars, I still think that most of Small's struggles were do to his own staff mismangement and gameday blunders. Small might not have had the budget to build a championship team here, but he still have enough resources to finish better than 3-8 each of the last two seasons. Look at all the talent that he had which was under-utilzed and squandered. You mean to tell me a good coach couldn't have gotten more out of a tight end like Brian Johnson? You mean to tell me that a good coach wouldn't have been able to get more out of Doug Brown, Rickie Lewis, Montray Jackson and Theron Thomas last year?

When I think of Small all I see is wasted opportunity.

[bluehaze]

thrilla,
under whose watch was Small hired?

[Bornthrilla]

Charlie Davis.

[DOOMS]

Small got a 10-3 record out of most of them cats.

Didn't Hayes go 8-3 with five parade all-americans and three or four other guys that played in the pros?

Johnson should've been playing fullback in the first place. Doug dropped pass after pass. Rickie was alone on the d-line. Montray just came back from a career-threatening injury. Theron was a burn victim in that secondary without a pass rush.

It's waaaaaay past time you guys realized that "talent" isn't everything. If it don't execute it ain't worth a crap.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you doubled Small's budget he'd be winning 10 a year, poor game-day decisions included. So yeah, I blame the lack of funding more than even not taking a knee in the Morgan game and the Central game. Say what you will, if Small was still coach do you really think we'd be on the wrong end of 41-14 vs. Winston?!? We might've lost, but it damn sure wouldn't have been that embarassment. And this is coming from a guy that wanted him gone.

The guy who controls the purse strings is ultimately culpable. The guy who fired Scandrett and hired Charlie Davis and had Coach Hayes fired is ultimately culpable. Why was Coach Small hired in the first place? Was it because he was the cheapest choice? Who's fault is that? I guess it's mine because I only gave 500 bucks to football that year.

Have my secretary put this thread under "threads that veer to the left on you."

[Bornthrilla]

It's waaaaaay past time you guys realized that "talent" isn't everything. If it don't execute it ain't worth a crap.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you doubled Small's budget he'd be winning 10 a year, poor game-day decisions included

Those two statements seem to contradict each other. If talent isn't everything then how would doubling Small's budget improve anything? We all know this program needs to allocate more money towards recruiting, but what's the benefit of bringing in better players if you are still going to put together pop warner game plans and call pass plays in the shadow of your own endzone when there's less than a minute left in the first half?

Small could have been given NC State's roster and still found a way to have a full-blown mutiny on his hands by week eight.

[DOOMS]

admin said:

As tight as James C was with the dollars, I still think that most of Small's struggles were do to his own staff mismangement and gameday blunders.

I'ma piggyback on this statement. I'll agree with the game-day blunders, but look at how the "uber-talent" performed the other day. I'm looking at a 2-0 JCSU team and thinking just maybe Brick knows what the hell he's doing. I'm looking at how bad we looked on defense the other day and in Hayes' last year and how Lee was able to disguise our piss poor run defense with his schemes. I'm remembering that the o-line stunk, but did get incrementally better each year. I'm remembering the strength coach that couldn't bench 250 herself and shaking my head.

Guys failing out of school every semester. Why is that? Let's be honest, A&T ain't that hard. Maybe some cheese spent towards retention would help? You don't win without upperclassmen that came up in your system. That '99 team? Lots of seniors, and old a$$ seniors at that. '03? Lots of youth, but lots of seniors too. '93? Four out of five linemen, seniors. We ran for 280 yards a game with no problem that year. If the guys are retained you are starting over every year.

How's saying talent isn't everything a contradiction? That statement doesn't mean "talent means nothing" which seems to be what you're equating it to. Rethink that argument. Wait, in order to rethink it I guess you'd have to think it in the first place.

Trying desperately to remember any "full-blown mutinees" other than the fans...

[Bornthrilla]

just maybe Brick knows what the hell he's doing.

Ok, that's where you lost me. The old nintendo Techmo Bowl game had a bigger playbook than what Brick was putting together each week. We are only one game in to the Fobbs era and our offensive is already light years better than at any time Brick was here. I cringe when I think about all those dive plays on 4th and three.

[JayBee]

Who the hell is Brick?

[DOOMS]

Daryl "Brick" McNeil. Our former offensive coordinator who is currently 2-0 at horrendous Johnson C. Smith against teams we couldn't beat. It's called improvement, which is the antithesis of what our athletic programs have been doing since the true program killer arrived.

[Maxell]

bluehaze said:

Speaking of that, when the heck are we getting a new one? We've known for eight months!