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Post by DECKS on Sept 8, 2006 9:27:09 GMT -5
The answer is Don Corbett & Bill Hayes destroyed our programs. Those two dinosaurs knew how to win with very little resources which made our administration foolishly think they could find replacements to do likewise.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 8, 2006 9:33:42 GMT -5
Part of the reason why so many guys failed to show improvement during their time here is because they gradually began to lose faith in the coaching staff and Small's overall system. Players who arrived here with a great deal of talent and a willingness to excell on the gridiron began to get more and more disenchanted with the hypocrisy and imcompetence they saw from the men who were suppossed to be their mentors on and off the field. Look at what happened with Schoolfield 's alledged behavior towards several players and how Small seemed so slow to act in that situation. Remember "shoe-gate" with Chaz Truesdale and Coach Patterson? Do you think a good coach would have let some petty crap like that go down?
Small lost control of this program somewhere in year two and no ammount of budget increases would have gotten it back.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 8, 2006 9:35:57 GMT -5
As bad as the Football program is, I don't know if it is anywhere near where Hunter left the basketball. Imagine Fobbs coming in with 50% of is players as walk-ons. Hunter coached in a conference where we should beat all but two teams every year on coaching alone and needs only two legitimate players to win 75% of your conference games. Hunter is the program destroyer.
Though JR held the purse strings the coach runs the program. It takes what it takes to be successful. I put that ownership on the coach, his a$$ better be out there doing clinics, car washes, bake sales, what the hell ever. They know what they sign up for, they know there ain’t no money, they know they need money, therefore they need to go get some money. Bill Hayes is the only one I know that nurtured outside resources. Especially, now that they don’t have teaching responsibilities. What hell did Hunter or Small do the six months outside of the season to raise funds. Though JR controls the purse strings at the University, he doesn’t control the drive of the Coach to build a successful program. My seven month old daughter doesn’t whine as much as Hunter did about what he didn’t have.
The first thing Fobbs did was contact James Harris and Doug Williams both NFL front office people, word is he has received a modest donation from each. Success is an individual goal. He knows what the financial restraints are and he knows what it gonna take to be successful.
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Post by TOPPDOGG on Sept 8, 2006 10:03:30 GMT -5
Ok, that's where you lost me. The old nintendo Techmo Bowl game had a bigger playbook than what Brick was putting together each week. We are only one game in to the Fobbs era and our offensive is already light years better than at any time Brick was here. I cringe when I think about all those dive plays on 4th and three. Brick Mcneil was terrible as an offensive coordinator. PERIOD. We 've been averaging in the teens with points scored for the last 3 years. Under Fobbs, even with the rule changes we weren't running folks on and off the field at the last minute. The offensive plays we ran made sense. The routes looked legitimate. There were a lot of positives from the offense on last Saturday night.
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Post by JeffAggieFan on Sept 8, 2006 10:19:42 GMT -5
You can't put Small in this conversation I would go with Coach Hunter
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Post by aggiejazz on Sept 8, 2006 11:12:28 GMT -5
Curtis Hunter coached high school basketball for a couple of years and then left to join Fayetteville State basketball staff. Stayed one year there and then came to A&T to be the only full time assistant basketball coach. At the end of his first season with the Aggies, the head coach resigns so then "whala" Curtis is the head coach. Hunter was a very in-experienced coach who had no support from the administration. Hunter needed a older experienced coach to guide him. The basket budget was ridiculously small with no additional money coming from those guaranteed games. You can get the best return on your money from men's college basketball and yet none of the A&T administrations have been astute enough to see this. You can't put Small in this conversation I would go with Coach Hunter
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Sept 8, 2006 14:38:26 GMT -5
Part of the reason why so many guys failed to show improvement during their time here is because they gradually began to lose faith in the coaching staff and Small's overall system. Players who arrived here with a great deal of talent and a willingness to excell on the gridiron began to get more and more disenchanted with the hypocrisy and imcompetence they saw from the men who were suppossed to be their mentors on and off the field. Look at what happened with Schoolfield 's alledged behavior towards several players and how Small seemed so slow to act in that situation. Remember "shoe-gate" with Chaz Truesdale and Coach Patterson? Do you think a good coach would have let some petty crap like that go down? Small lost control of this program somewhere in year two and no ammount of budget increases would have gotten it back. If there was any disenchanting going on, it was because of the constant rumors surrounding Small's job. That's what the palyers hear. Thrilla', I think you just didn't like Small. But a lot of people were on them nuts when he won the championship.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 8, 2006 15:05:28 GMT -5
I liked the fact that he was a fellow Aggie. What I didn't like was the way he managed his coaching staff, misused talent, came up with those pop warner gameplans each week and just generally let the program fall to rock bottom on his watch.
On a personal note, Small always treated me well and granted this website numerous exclusive interviews. He didn't have to do that and I appreciate it.
I don't think he tried to destroy the program but , after three years, I think he left it in a much worse shape than when he took the job.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 8, 2006 15:49:41 GMT -5
4XL, come on man, there ain’t a poster on this board that has ever meet him that didn’t like George Small the man. Are you saying that Coach Small could have righted that ship and this year would be better than last?
I’m about as far as anyone can be from the inside of the program, but it doesn’t matter why the team loses confidence in the leader. When it happens the players just don’t respond. The rumors began not because people didn’t like Coach Small, not because he lost games, IMHO it was because we weren’t competitive on the field two year in a row, after winning a championship.
We are fans, what we see is the drive killing penalties, an anemic offense, and a porous defense. We don’t see the film sessions, bus rides, telling players fifteen times to do this or that or the personal issues that asise. You have to admit looking back on that last season, with an opening loss to Central, losing HC, two embarrassing butt kickings on national TV, and to top it off, five straight loses to close out the season. This didn’t suggest things were gonna get better. I don’t think Matt Brown can survive that kind of result two years from now.
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Post by Bigboy on Sept 8, 2006 16:52:59 GMT -5
Renick might have been tight with the money, but he made sure that he got money for the lights, the fieldhouse, the track, the truck for equipment and the buses. I know some of this money was already ear-marked for these things but he got the ball rolling. I know for sure that he was the one to get the funds to put the drainage system on the football field. Hell, he admitted that he made some bad decisions when it came to athletics. A lot of us as alums are not doing all we can do to help rebuild the program(as it relates to alum giving).
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Sept 11, 2006 12:48:31 GMT -5
4XL, come on man, there ain’t a poster on this board that has ever meet him that didn’t like George Small the man. Are you saying that Coach Small could have righted that ship and this year would be better than last? I’m about as far as anyone can be from the inside of the program, but it doesn’t matter why the team loses confidence in the leader. When it happens the players just don’t respond. The rumors began not because people didn’t like Coach Small, not because he lost games, IMHO it was because we weren’t competitive on the field two year in a row, after winning a championship. We are fans, what we see is the drive killing penalties, an anemic offense, and a porous defense. We don’t see the film sessions, bus rides, telling players fifteen times to do this or that or the personal issues that asise. You have to admit looking back on that last season, with an opening loss to Central, losing HC, two embarrassing butt kickings on national TV, and to top it off, five straight loses to close out the season. This didn’t suggest things were gonna get better. I don’t think Matt Brown can survive that kind of result two years from now. Aggie 77, I'm not saying that things would have gotten better. Too many cooks, spoil the soup and there were definitely too many cooks in that kitchen. I'm saying that he deserved the opportunity to finish out his contract. I still believe that he was the right coach at the right time for this program. After the messy way Bill Hayes was let go, only an alum could quiet the masses.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 11, 2006 14:55:46 GMT -5
In retrospect, how can you honestly make that argument now? This program is currently at the lowest level that it's been in probably 30 years and, like it or not, it got that way on Small's watch.
We all know he was a classy, stand-up guy with strong Christian values, however history will show that Small wasn't a strong enough administrator when he needed to get the program back on track during the 2004 season. He delegated too much power to his assistants and wasn't decisive enough when he needed to step in and correct problems. It was like dude just had a passive attitude about too many important things.
Small let Coach Houser almost single-handedly alienate numerous area high school football coaches and A&T alumni who were trying to steer their players to the program. Dude would not return phone calls or even watch highlight tape. No wonder why our talent level dropped off so drastically in the last two years.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Sept 11, 2006 15:55:53 GMT -5
In retrospect, how can you honestly make that argument now? This program is currently at the lowest level that it's been in probably 30 years and, like it or not, it got that way on Small's watch. We all know he was a classy, stand-up guy with strong Christian values, however history will show that Small wasn't a strong enough administrator when he needed to get the program back on track during the 2004 season. He delegated too much power to his assistants and wasn't decisive enough when he needed to step in and correct problems. It was like dude just had a passive attitude about too many important things. Small let Coach Houser almost single-handedly alienate numerous area high school football coaches and A&T alumni who were trying to steer their players to the program. Dude would not return phone calls or even watch highlight tape. No wonder why our talent level dropped off so drastically in the last two years. I don't buy that b.s. about Houser. How do you know? Were you there? I stand by what I said, with the messy way that Bill Hayes was fired, only an alum could calm the rough seas of that time. Once again, Small did not destroy the program, Renick did.
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Post by TOPPDOGG on Sept 11, 2006 16:24:08 GMT -5
Small did the same thing at Kentucky St. Started off with a bang (someone else's players) and floundered each year thereafter.
I definitely don't miss him.
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Post by dj98 on Sept 11, 2006 16:34:13 GMT -5
(Once again, Small did not destroy the program, Renick did.)
Smalls did the most damage, Rednick SHOULD NOT have fired Hayes so he has some fault too but Smalls recruite players not Rednick, thats were the damage was done. Most, not all of the players Smalls recruited were soft. Too soft to play D-1 football. When you recruite you have to think two years ahead. Why not say hey If I recruite this player can he with his play on and off the field influence a young man to come play for the A&T....................................
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