aggie2039
Official BDF member
Posts: 11,026
Member is Online
|
Post by aggie2039 on Mar 14, 2023 6:04:57 GMT -5
I don't know if I think the coaches that were around, when we got the current players, didn't recruit well. I think they did a decent job for the conferences we were in (MEAC & Big South). We still have some MEAC remnants left on the team...some that got quite a bit of playing time and some that didn't. Why do you feel certain players recruited (exclude walk-ons) to play in the MEAC and Big South were not suitable or cut out for the CAA? If the player did not see the floor in either conferences and was not injured then that is a recruiting problem in my opinion and not a result in conference change. If a player's playing time or performance has decreased then that could be for a number of reasons like injuries, better recruits came in thru the transfer portal (we had 6 transfers I believe this past season), struggle with development, conference change, poor chemistry of players on the floor, etc. Could the issue be more with our coaches not adjusting to team's style of play in the different conferences or not recruiting well, rather than you reasoning that certain players may have had difficulty competing in the CAA? The reason I ask is if there is only a small sample size how do you know that is the case and secondly, there is only a small difference in the ranking of these 3 conferences when it comes to strength. We also know that CAA teams have lost to teams in the MEAC and Big South this season. See below links. www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-confbracketologists.com/conferences/There is a major difference in conference depth in the CAA, last place team isnt a bad team. These sites you brought up are going off wins and loss totals, nothing more…not quality of play. The CAA received a 12 seed along with the A-10, a higher seed than the conferences ranked ahead of us. The major difference is that MEAC teams didn’t beat teams in the top half of the conference. Additionally, the CAA 12th place team beat the MEAC regular season and tournament champ by 10 points. You place the CAA 12th and last place team in the MEAC and they finish top 3rd in the MEAC. The two players from are MEAC days were Fillmore and Robinson…both were more a liability than asset in CAA play. |
|
aggie2039
Official BDF member
Posts: 11,026
Member is Online
|
Post by aggie2039 on Mar 14, 2023 7:32:07 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by planoaggie on Mar 14, 2023 7:42:01 GMT -5
There is a major difference in conference depth in the CAA, last place team isnt a bad team. These sites you brought up are going off wins and loss totals, nothing more…not quality of play. The CAA received a 12 seed along with the A-10, a higher seed than the conferences ranked ahead of us. The major difference is that MEAC teams didn’t beat teams in the top half of the conference. Additionally, the CAA 12th place team beat the MEAC regular season and tournament champ by 10 points. You place the CAA 12th and last place team in the MEAC and they finish top 3rd in the MEAC. The two players from are MEAC days were Fillmore and Robinson…both were more a liability than asset in CAA play. 2039, my apologies. I was editing my original post when you replied, so please note the changes. I still don't believe my changes would have had any effect on your reply to my original post. I believe the links are still relevant in comparison of the 3 conferences strength from top to bottom and because in discussing whether a particular player has the talent to play in a conference you look at the player's performance against each team not the top team or teams in that conference. I looked at Robinson's stats over the last 3 years and there is not much change to support he struggled any differently in the CAA versus the other conferences. I am not sure if we should even be discussing Robinson if he has no more eligibility to play college ball. If not, he can't enter the transfer portal which was the heart of our discussion. Press the stats icon and stroll down to the bottom where you see career stats. ncataggies.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jeremy-robinson/3534In regards to Filmore, first he was a walk-on I thought and not a recruit if I am correct. We don't lose a scholarship if he transfers. Secondly, he was a graduate student, so does he have any eligibility left to play. If not, he can't transfer either. But if you would like to compare his performance over the 4 years then I have provided the link below. I don't see much evidence that he struggled more in the CAA than the other conferences. Better recruiting class and Powell being healthy cut into his minutes. Press the stats icon and stroll down to the bottom where you see career stats. ncataggies.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/webster-filmore/3528Both Robinson and Filmore had talent or skills limitations no matter the conference we played in. In my opinion, this is more of a coach recruitment problem than a player problem. One was recruited while the other was a walk-on. Now these 2 players received decent playing time, but A&T-roy mentioned that there may be a player or 2 that did not receive much time that he may not mind if they transferred. "For me, it depends on who they are." This clearly is a recruiting issue, unless explained by injury or something unusual. |
|
A&T-roy
Official BDF member
Posts: 5,547
|
Post by A&T-roy on Mar 14, 2023 15:09:40 GMT -5
2039, my apologies. I was editing my original post when you replied, so please note the changes. I still don't believe my changes would have had any effect on your reply to my original post. I believe the links are still relevant in comparison of the 3 conferences strength from top to bottom and because in discussing whether a particular player has the talent to play in a conference you look at the player's performance against each team not the top team or teams in that conference. I looked at Robinson's stats over the last 3 years and there is not much change to support he struggled any differently in the CAA versus the other conferences. I am not sure if we should even be discussing Robinson if he has no more eligibility to play college ball. If not, he can't enter the transfer portal which was the heart of our discussion. Press the stats icon and stroll down to the bottom where you see career stats. ncataggies.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jeremy-robinson/3534In regards to Filmore, first he was a walk-on I thought and not a recruit if I am correct. We don't lose a scholarship if he transfers. Secondly, he was a graduate student, so does he have any eligibility left to play. If not, he can't transfer either. But if you would like to compare his performance over the 4 years then I have provided the link below. I don't see much evidence that he struggled more in the CAA than the other conferences. Better recruiting class and Powell being healthy cut into his minutes. Press the stats icon and stroll down to the bottom where you see career stats. ncataggies.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/webster-filmore/3528Both Robinson and Filmore had talent or skills limitations no matter the conference we played in. In my opinion, this is more of a coach recruitment problem than a player problem. One was recruited while the other was a walk-on. Now these 2 players received decent playing time, but A&T-roy mentioned that there may be a player or 2 that did not receive much time that he may not mind if they transferred. "For me, it depends on who they are." This clearly is a recruiting issue, unless explained by injury or something unusual. They were more decent players in/for the MEAC and injury or something unusual had nothing to do with it. My point also applies to some/most of our non-starters this year. Crews is already one of them (in the portal). |
|
|
|
Post by planoaggie on Mar 14, 2023 15:39:50 GMT -5
They were more decent players in/for the MEAC and injury or something unusual had nothing to do with it. My point also applies to some/most of our non-starters this year. Crews is already one of them (in the portal). I saw that Crews had entered the transfer portal when I read Watson had entered the transfer portal. He was recruited but did not get much playing time in either conferences. I was not sure you were referring to him in your post so I kept quiet. I still have no issue with your original statement "For me, it depends on who they are." His decision to leave in my opinion is due to both the coach offering and him accepting the offering. It just was not a good fit. |
|
|
|
Post by pj on Mar 14, 2023 17:35:42 GMT -5
To me, The CAA requires that one have depth at the 5 position. And, on top of that, someone who ball while at it. I think that we got exposed during the second half of the season, with Teams getting two and three shots (offensive rebounding), and us getting out jumped, or not being in position to rebound at all. In addition to that Some Teams Bigs were throwing back stuff, or altering shots. So did we, but Man...
Looking at us getting 2 and 3 empty possessions, and then suddenly we are down 10 pts. Powell and the rest had to earn most of their buckets.
Overall, I dont think that we have far to go. This League DID show me that they will scout you and try to have you beat them another way, or with another guy. Plus the League is more of Grown Man Ball at times.
|
|
|
|
Post by planoaggie on Mar 14, 2023 20:04:57 GMT -5
To me, The CAA requires that one have depth at the 5 position. And, on top of that, someone who ball while at it. I think that we got exposed during the second half of the season, with Teams getting two and three shots (offensive rebounding), and us getting out jumped, or not being in position to rebound at all. In addition to that Some Teams Bigs were throwing back stuff, or altering shots. So did we, but Man... Looking at us getting 2 and 3 empty possessions, and then suddenly we are down 10 pts. Powell and the rest had to earn most of their buckets. Overall, I dont think that we have far to go. This League DID show me that they will scout you and try to have you beat them another way, or with another guy. Plus the League is more of Grown Man Ball at times. We seriously need 3PT sharpshooter which is different from the MEAC. The Big South also had some good shooters. |
|
aggie2039
Official BDF member
Posts: 11,026
Member is Online
|
Post by aggie2039 on Mar 14, 2023 20:08:46 GMT -5
To me, The CAA requires that one have depth at the 5 position. And, on top of that, someone who ball while at it. I think that we got exposed during the second half of the season, with Teams getting two and three shots (offensive rebounding), and us getting out jumped, or not being in position to rebound at all. In addition to that Some Teams Bigs were throwing back stuff, or altering shots. So did we, but Man... Looking at us getting 2 and 3 empty possessions, and then suddenly we are down 10 pts. Powell and the rest had to earn most of their buckets. Overall, I dont think that we have far to go. This League DID show me that they will scout you and try to have you beat them another way, or with another guy. Plus the League is more of Grown Man Ball at times. We seriously need 3PT sharpshooter which is different from the MEAC. The Big South also had some good shooters. We also need a 5 that can score and two athletic 4s that are 6’8 and can shoot a midrange jumper and 3ptr. |
|
|
|
Post by planoaggie on Mar 14, 2023 20:15:42 GMT -5
We seriously need 3PT sharpshooter which is different from the MEAC. The Big South also had some good shooters. We also need a 5 that can score and two athletic 4s that are 6’8 and can shoot a midrange jumper and 3ptr. Agree. Do we have a thread that list players that have already committed to A&T? |
|
aggie2039
Official BDF member
Posts: 11,026
Member is Online
|
Post by aggie2039 on Mar 14, 2023 20:19:47 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by planoaggie on Mar 14, 2023 20:35:15 GMT -5
Thanks. It would be nice to see what we already have coming in to fill some of the holes discussed here plus what challenges the new HC has ahead. |
|
|
|
Post by planoaggie on Mar 14, 2023 21:27:47 GMT -5
It looks like we only have one solid commit thus far and he suffered an achilles heel injury back in December. Tough luck for the young man. He is a shooting guard/wing and is 6'4" tall. If he is a sharpshooter that can consistently hit the 3s then this will definitely help us. But with only 1 committed recruit, the new coach has to hit the transfer portal and HS recruiting trail (don't know right off the legal recruiting period) immediately.
|
|
saabman
Official BDF member
Posts: 12,848
|
Post by saabman on Mar 14, 2023 22:10:25 GMT -5
To me, The CAA requires that one have depth at the 5 position. And, on top of that, someone who ball while at it. I think that we got exposed during the second half of the season, with Teams getting two and three shots (offensive rebounding), and us getting out jumped, or not being in position to rebound at all. In addition to that Some Teams Bigs were throwing back stuff, or altering shots. So did we, but Man... Looking at us getting 2 and 3 empty possessions, and then suddenly we are down 10 pts. Powell and the rest had to earn most of their buckets. Overall, I dont think that we have far to go. This League DID show me that they will scout you and try to have you beat them another way, or with another guy. Plus the League is more of Grown Man Ball at times. We seriously need 3PT sharpshooter which is different from the MEAC. The Big South also had some good shooters. Why do people on here keep being up the MEAC all the time ? You don't compare yourself with your former Peers in another conference. You compare yourself to your Peers that are your Conference Competition . For me if wish the MEAC and Big S***it well . But I don't give a Damn about what they have or don't or the style play. Because it doesn't benefit A&T . I do give a Damn about what A&T needs to do to win in the CAA. Believe it or not A&T main problem was that we had a coach that couldn't control his team ones they hit the floor period. The talent was there but they always managed to beat themselves doing dumb things on offense and not rebounding aggressively on both ends of the floor . That's is the fault of lack of proper Coaching. Stop with this MEAC comparison BS Please just stop it . |
|
|
|
Post by Aggie One on Mar 14, 2023 22:20:10 GMT -5
Division I Men’s Basketball Recruiting CalendarFor the men’s basketball recruiting evaluation periods, there are two different kinds of evaluation periods that take place. During the April evaluations, coaches can only evaluate recruits at NCAA-certified events. If you are on an AAU team or participating in a club basketball tournament at that time, chances are, it’s an NCAA-certified event. You can always double check if the event is NCAA-certified before you attend. During the remainder of the evaluation periods, all live evaluations must take place at a regularly scheduled high school, prep school or two-year college tournament, practice or game. Again, it’s important to know when the evaluations can happen, but chances are, the coach will let you know when they plan to visit you during this time. August 1 – September 8, 2022: Quiet period (exception below) August 6–15, 2022: Dead period September 9 – November 6, 2022: Recruiting/contact period November 7–10, 2022: Dead period November 11, 2022 – March 29, 2023: Recruiting/contact period (exception below) December 24–26, 2022: Dead period March 30 – April 6 (noon), 2023: Dead period April 6 (noon) – 18, 2023: Recruiting/contact period (exceptions below)
April 10–13, 2023: Dead period
April 20 – July 5, 2023: Quiet period (exceptions below)
April 21–23, 2023: Evaluation period (only for NCAA certified events)
April 24–27, 2023: Recruiting period
April 28-30, 2023: Evaluation period (only for NCAA certified events)
May 1-4, 2023: Recruiting period
May 18–26, 2023: Dead period NBA Draft Combine (Dates TBD): Evaluation period (for combine only) NBPA Top 100 Camp (Dates TBD): Evaluation period (for NBPA Top 100 Camp only) June 16 (noon) –18 (6 pm), 2023: Evaluation period for scholastic events approved by the NCAA and NFHS and intercollegiate events approved by applicable two-year college governing body only June 23 (noon) – 25 (6 pm), 2023: Evaluation period for scholastic events approved by the NCAA and NFHS and intercollegiate events approved by applicable two-year college governing body only July 6-30, 2023: Dead period* (exceptions below) July 6–9, 2023: Evaluation period (NCAA certified events, institutional camps and permissible governing body events only) July 25–30, 2023: Evaluation period (NCAA College Basketball academy only) July 31, 2023: Quiet period *A prospective student-athlete may not make an unofficial visit during the month of July unless he has signed a National Letter of Intent or the institution’s written offer of admission and/or financial aid, or the institution has received a financial deposit from the prospective student-athlete in response to an offer of admission
www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibility-center/recruiting-rules/recruiting-calendar
|
|
|
|
Post by planoaggie on Mar 14, 2023 22:58:18 GMT -5
We seriously need 3PT sharpshooter which is different from the MEAC. The Big South also had some good shooters. Why do people on here keep being up the MEAC all the time ? You don't compare yourself with your former Peers in another conference. You compare yourself to your Peers that are your Conference Competition . For me if wish the MEAC and Big S***it well . But I don't give a Damn about what they have or don't or the style play. Because it doesn't benefit A&T . I do give a Damn about what A&T needs to do to win in the CAA. Believe it or not A&T main problem was that we had a coach that couldn't control his team ones they hit the floor period. The talent was there but they always managed to beat themselves doing dumb things on offense and not rebounding aggressively on both ends of the floor . That's is the fault of lack of proper Coaching. Stop with this MEAC comparison BS Please just stop it . Saabman, I don't look at these type of comments as negative or throwing shade on the MEAC or Big South. I was saying what we need because the style of play of the teams in the CAA was different than that of the MEAC and Big South. That is relevant because we recruited players to compete in those conferences that are still on our present team. Now we need to recruit differently. There is nothing wrong with using the knowledge you learned or obtained from past experiences. What I learned was that the Big South shoots more 3s than the MEAC and the CAA takes more 3s than the Big South which prompt my comments. Reread both PJ and my posts and tell me what is negative. What is wrong stating one conference loves to shoot the 3 more than the other? Guess what? You can die by the 3s as the saying goes. It does not guarantee you a win. If we move from the CAA to the Big 10, I would say that we need to get bigger and stronger inside players and recruit guards that can finish through contact compared to the CAA. Why? Because in the Big 10 the referees allow more physical play and call less fouls. All the Big 10 coaches and players know this so they adapt their style of play. They then worry about getting into early foul trouble when they play in the NCAA and NIT tournaments, so they make additional adjustments. How would these comments be putting down the CAA? It is not. It mentions what we need to get better at due to the different style of play we would be facing. Highlighting differences does not "by default" mean something bad. I love the MEAC style of play. Good teams win playing different styles, but if most of the conference plays a certain way than you must make adjustments. By focusing on the players in a specific post does not say we don't feel the need for a better coach. We have a more appropriate thread to critique the current coach and what we require from a new coach. This transfer thread focuses primarily on transfer portal in and out by A&T players and what we may need from a player's recruitment perspective. In my opinion, I agree with you that hiring a good coach takes precedence over recruiting better players, but we need to do both. |
|
