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Post by Maxell on Mar 29, 2023 17:15:54 GMT -5
That's why a good coach should have little trouble fielding a competitive team next year. a good coach who is a great "recruiter" should have little trouble fielding a competitive team next year. but if he's not a great "recruiter", all bets are off!! He doesn't have to be GREAT recruiter. If he can't find 6-7 players out of 1000 in the transfer portal and 2000 high school seniors, he doesn't need to be a coach.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 29, 2023 20:13:59 GMT -5
a good coach who is a great "recruiter" should have little trouble fielding a competitive team next year. but if he's not a great "recruiter", all bets are off!! He doesn't have to be GREAT recruiter. If he can't find 6-7 players out of 1000 in the transfer portal and 2000 high school seniors, he doesn't need to be a coach. maxell, there may be a lot of guys in the transfer portal, but all of them aren't "top quality" players and there's not a lot of high school players that will come to a midmajor college who can contribute "immediately" as a major impact player. when you take the cream off the top of the portal, you're only looking at a hand full of "top quality" players who would accept playing at the midmajor level and coaches are already snatching them up as i type. so our next coach will have fewer and fewer "quality players" to choose from each and every day that goes by before we hire our new coach. we need "starters", not a bunch of role players because we're losing "essentially" our entire starting 5. most of "the best" players in the portal are looking to transfer to p5 programs or the big east. not a very good chance of those guys coming to a&t. so the portal ain't like going grocery shopping where you can pick whatever is left on the shelf. if our next coach will be trying to bring in the caliber of players who are capable of winning a conference championship at a&t or at least "challenge" for a conference championship, then he's gonna have to go to battle with a bunch of other coaches who want the same players. i mean, if hardly any other coaches want a player, then its likely that our coach won't want him either. so yes, we need a "great recruiter" who at a minimum is just as capable of recruiting as coach jones and coach shumpert were...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Mar 29, 2023 20:14:54 GMT -5
I am sure he can find 6-7 guys ….problem is some of the kids in the portal are not good. 😂
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 29, 2023 20:21:13 GMT -5
I am sure he can find 6-7 guys ….problem is some of the kids in the portal are not good. 😂 exactly...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2023 14:56:40 GMT -5
these are the kind of recruits that we're missing out on each and every day that goes by that we don't have a new head men's basketball coach... hbcugameday.com/2023/03/29/howard-mbb-picks-up-former-acc-forward-from-transfer-portal/Howard MBB picks up former ACC forward from transfer portal Howard MBB adds 6-9 forward Dom Campbell to its MEAC championship roster.By Domonique Whitehurst Posted on March 29, 2023Howard University, the current MEAC men’s basketball regular season champs has picked up a former ACC player from the transfer portal in freshman forward Dominick Campbell from Notre Dame University. On March 13, Campbell made his official transfer portal announcement via social media. — Dom Campbell (@thedomcampbell) March 29, 2023 “With the change in coaching staff and the uncertainty of the next head coach, I will be entering the transfer portal. I am keeping all my options open, including returning to Notre Dame. Thank you for support.” Lucky for Howard Bison fans, he did not choose to return to the Fighting Irish. Two weeks after entering the transfer portal, Campbell made his decision to start a new beginning with Howard University. Coming out of high school Campbell had 21 Division 1 offers from schools like U of Albany, Tennessee, Penn State, and Providence. The 3-star recruit was ranked the number 1 recruit in New Hampshire for 2022. Campbell made his choice to join Notre Dame in 2021. As a freshman, Dominick Campbell played in only ten games with Notre Dame, averaging 3.6 minutes per game. Former Notre Dame men’s basketball head coach Mike Brey said Campbell is a positive asset when he steps on the court. “Dom is a gifted low post guy with great hands and footwork. He has the ability to carve out space and step out as well. He can make really good decisions with the ball in his hands.” Howard recently lost Steve Settle III to the transfer portal. Settle, who was a huge playmaker and second led scorer for the Bison, Dominick Campbell will be a key component to replacing that production.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2023 15:08:24 GMT -5
^^^^^ this guy is another example of why lower level schools (d2, d3, naia) have a difficult time recruiting good talent cuz a lot of recruits treat the school they sign with as a "status symbol". this dude originally signed with notre dame probably thinking it would raise his "street profile" cuz notre dame is a p5 school in a p5 conference. then, he gets to notre dame only find out he'll be "sitting the bench".
that's why he was in the transfer portal, should've never signed to play at that level...
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 30, 2023 16:37:20 GMT -5
In my opinion it is wrong to assume that a high number of transfers and/or a high number of high school senior recruits (nationally or internationally) increase our chances of recruiting a large number of talented basketball players. These transfer numbers have been high since about 2019. High school senior numbers have been high for ages. We have not made the NCAA tournament since 2013, so how are these newly published numbers are supposed to guarantee a team of talented players?
This same argument goes for those that publish how many good coaches are out there to be potentially hired by A&T. Since 2013, were there not similar number of available good coaches each year? Did we take advantage of those high number of available coaches for hire?
No matter the high published numbers, I believe in order to create a successful MBB program, we need: 1. Martin/Hilton to hire a good head coach "this time around". 2. Martin/Hilton must emotionally and financially invest in the success of the MBB program. 3. The head coach must build a very good staff that can coach, train, develop, and recruit. 4. The head coach must be able to actually coach at this high level of competition, recruit well, be a leader of young men, and mentor his players and staff in being the best they can be.
Only when we take some or all of the above actions will I get excited about high published numbers of high school recruits, high number of transfers, or high number of good coaches at multiple levels. These are two-way contracts or promises (coach & player, school & coach) which a deal must be closed. We seem to forget that the player or coach candidate has a choice whether to accept any offer.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2023 13:45:41 GMT -5
This same argument goes for those that publish how many good coaches are out there to be potentially hired by A&T. Since 2013, were there not similar number of available good coaches each year? Did we take advantage of those high number of available coaches for hire? to answer your questions, yes there were a similar number of available good coaches since 2013. but "NO", our ad did not take advantage of those high number of available coaches for hire. my "guess" is that our ad is apparently similar to folk like you who obviously have not been in the trenches with many of those available coaches. our ad probably hasn't gotten down into the weeds where the grassroots are where you can meet these coaches and observe their work. that's called "networking". my knowledge of basketball coaches comes from over 30 years experience directly associated with high school and aau basketball, so i'm in the weeds where they are. i have personally coached aau basketball at the "highest level possible", once finishing "runnerup" (2nd place) in the country at the aau nationals and "four times" finishing "top 4" in the country. these were not "rankings", these finishes occurred "in competition" on the basketball court. and in case you didn't know, there is no league anywhere in the world that fields better "talent" at the high school and below levels than aau basketball. the vast majority, if not "ALL", of the best talent in the country plays aau basketball on what essentially boils down to a bunch of "all star teams". i don't know of any 5star, 4star, or 3star high school prospects who didn't/doesn't play aau basketball. so i'm not an "arm chair quarterback" kinda dude speaking only from what i've seen on tv or read on the internet. I'M SPEAKING FROM " PERSONAL EXPERIENCE". i've already provided "multiple" examples of coaches who had never been a head coach at the college level that stepped in and won d1 conference championships almost "immediately" upon being hired as a d1 head basketball coach...
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Post by saabman on Apr 1, 2023 17:20:29 GMT -5
I am sure he can find 6-7 guys ….problem is some of the kids in the portal are not good. 😂 There are a number of reasons and variables to why players inter the TP . It could range from being RS,playing time,system fit,coaching and even homesickness and the list goes on. I wouldn't say that they are not talented for one . But I will say that a lot are not next level NBA quality Talent but most are Mid-major, D2,3 òr NAIA talents that could be fair to decent or even great college level players under the right head coach and staff . I'm not a fan of the portal . I see it as a Stop fill the Gap instrument, that should be only used to fill targeted positions of need . For me it's the High School, JC and then the TP . Talented players are in abundance at those levels we just need our coach to go get them . But talented bigs are in short supply 6'9 and up. The TP maybe the best option going forward.
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Post by planoaggie on Apr 1, 2023 22:20:46 GMT -5
This same argument goes for those that publish how many good coaches are out there to be potentially hired by A&T. Since 2013, were there not similar number of available good coaches each year? Did we take advantage of those high number of available coaches for hire? to answer your questions, yes there were a similar number of available good coaches since 2013. but "NO", our ad did not take advantage of those high number of available coaches for hire. my "guess" is that our ad is apparently similar to folk like you who obviously have not been in the trenches with many of those available coaches. our ad probably hasn't gotten down into the weeds where the grassroots are where you can meet these coaches and observe their work. that's called "networking". my knowledge of basketball coaches comes from over 30 years experience directly associated with high school and aau basketball, so i'm in the weeds where they are. i have personally coached aau basketball at the "highest level possible", once finishing "runnerup" (2nd place) in the country at the aau nationals and "four times" finishing "top 4" in the country. these were not "rankings", these finishes occurred "in competition" on the basketball court. and in case you didn't know, there is no league anywhere in the world that fields better "talent" at the high school and below levels than aau basketball. the vast majority, if not "ALL", of the best talent in the country plays aau basketball on what essentially boils down to a bunch of "all star teams". i don't know of any 5star, 4star, or 3star high school prospects who didn't/doesn't play aau basketball. so i'm not an "arm chair quarterback" kinda dude speaking only from what i've seen on tv or read on the internet. I'M SPEAKING FROM " PERSONAL EXPERIENCE". i've already provided "multiple" examples of coaches who had never been a head coach at the college level that stepped in and won d1 conference championships almost "immediately" upon being hired as a d1 head basketball coach... Oleschoolaggie, I have coached aau/select teams from 1st grade to 17U and have seen a lot of high quality players and good coaches. I have attended but not coached in the Nike EYBL Peach Jam in North Augusta, SC. As a fellow aau/select coach, I have mad respect for how well some of these aau/select and high school coaches can coach and their knowledge of the game, but I am also a realist. I believe there is essentially no D1 mid-major colleges that are going to hire a good aau/select or high school coach over a good D1 or D2 coach candidate. In the past 10 years, I can only think of one person that made a straight jump from aau/select or high school level directly to a D1 HC MBB coaching position. That person was Penny Hardaway and he came with the number one HS basketball player in the country (James Wiseman) and a few other top ranked players. Can you name 3 or more coaches that have made that same jump within the past 10 years? Based on the MBB HC job description posted by A&T, I commented that Martin/Hilton would not look at any candidate resumes lower than D2 HC position. How does this comment define how I feel about the capabilities of lower level coaches? I know some of them are good coaches, but the current college hiring system is typically not going to allow them the opportunity to jump straight to D1 level. They must first prove themselves at the lower levels and through hard work and dedication work their way through the system. Many have done this successfully and I bet a lot of them have said I always was a good/great coach, but never got the attention from D1 schools until I had worked 5 to 10 years in the trenches. If you have been around basketball this long and paid attention to the politics that surround the sport, I don't see how you would think A&T leaders would choose a MBB HC from the aau/select, high school, or even D3 level? It just would not be a good look publicly that A&T had to stoop that low to hire a coach with all these good coaches at the D2 and D1 level applying for the same HC job. There are political and marketing factors A&T leaders must also weigh in their decision. You yourself said there are a lot of good coaches (HC and assistant) at the D1 and D2 level. A&T is no different from what the other HBCUs and mid-major colleges are practicing in the selection of a new MBB HC, so I am not singling them out. I feel you are trying to push your personal views that one can find good/great coaches at all levels of basketball that can coach at D1, which I agree with, but you intentionally ignore the facts surrounding the "A&T HC job" that (1) A&T posted the qualification of their desired HC candidate, (2) from what level most mid-major colleges hire their new head coaches and most importantly (3) who is in charge of the MBB HC hiring at A&T. I used all of the above available information to speculate what the lowest division level A&T would go to search for a good head coach (no lower than D2 HC in my opinion), irregardless of my personal experience or knowledge on what level one can find good coaches capable of coaching at D1. I respect your opinions, but did you really believe that "A&T" would consider a high school or aau coach for the HC job based on all the above known information? The A&T job posting specifically stated "5-7 years of relative coaching experience at a NCAA, CAA, or professional basketball league equivalent preferred", yet you continuously push your no college experience needed agenda, which you have the right to do so. I get it that you feel the college coach hiring practices are unfair to lower level coaches, but your opinion of who A&T should consider for the job clearly does not align with A&T leaders on this decision. By the way, I might be wrong, but I don't believe there is any Athletic Directors or HC search committee getting down in the weeds or grassroots level to search for a new HC, unless they are attending an event for personal reasons and college coaches are in attendance, e.g. their child playing in a major basketball tournament or high school game. This is not a requirement to be an AD. The AD background experience may be in a different sport like football. ADs have other means to help them learn about potential coaching candidates (resumes, videos, search committees, etc.). All of this is irrelevant, since A&T has now hired its new HC which by the way was a D1 assistant coach with college coaching experiences. Now the focus shifts to whether he can build a good staff, recruit, and win.
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Post by The Professor on Apr 5, 2023 10:45:47 GMT -5
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 5, 2023 12:13:21 GMT -5
Waiting to see where our former players land...
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Post by aggie82 on Apr 5, 2023 12:34:43 GMT -5
From a parent that has gone thru the portal scenario, most kids get in and out fairly quickly, because once a school contacts them, they want an answer ASAP because they are trying to fill a specific need. The more time that elapses, the harder it is to get picked up, and the longer it will take. The D2 coaches are just waiting to see who doesn't get picked up before they get in on the action.
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 5, 2023 12:58:41 GMT -5
From a parent that has gone thru the portal scenario, most kids get in and out fairly quickly, because once a school contacts them, they want an answer ASAP because they are trying to fill a specific need. The more time that elapses, the harder it is to get picked up, and the longer it will take. The D2 coaches are just waiting to see who doesn't get picked up before they get in on the action. I find it very interesting that none of our players have committed. May be the football scenario where they return due to lack of interest from top level schools.
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Post by aggie82 on Apr 5, 2023 13:22:12 GMT -5
From a parent that has gone thru the portal scenario, most kids get in and out fairly quickly, because once a school contacts them, they want an answer ASAP because they are trying to fill a specific need. The more time that elapses, the harder it is to get picked up, and the longer it will take. The D2 coaches are just waiting to see who doesn't get picked up before they get in on the action. I find it very interesting that none of our players have committed. May be the football scenario where they return due to lack of interest from top level schools. It's a very hard sale for a kid who barely played to get what they want. And for the kid that is playing, coaches want to know why a 17 point scorer doesn't wanna stay. This could also be a red flag. And last but not least, with over 1000 kids in the portal, and access to every player on film, it sometimes comes down to coaches getting recommendations from former coaches and in some cases, former players.
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