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Post by Blackfoot on Feb 6, 2023 18:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 6, 2023 19:29:03 GMT -5
i would luv to see a&t sponsor both men's and women's soccer. its a wonderful sport that doesn't cost a lot to field a team. personally, i'd rather see us sponsor soccer teams instead of golf or tennis teams...
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Post by Maxell on Feb 6, 2023 20:26:39 GMT -5
Remember back in the day when foreign students played soccer in Holland Bowl?
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Feb 6, 2023 22:12:08 GMT -5
OSA if soccer is not a costly sport it should not hamper T from keeping their tennis and golf teams. Right?
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Post by Blackfoot on Feb 7, 2023 2:16:49 GMT -5
oleschoolaggie I definitely agree that it would be great for us to field both men's and women's fútbol! Isn't that the next sport to be added here soon? Actually yeh Maxell ! Those were fun matches.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 7, 2023 14:10:15 GMT -5
oleschoolaggie I definitely agree that it would be great for us to field both men's and women's fútbol! Isn't that the next sport to be added here soon? Actually yeh Maxell ! Those were fun matches. we were "supposed" to be fielding a women's soccer team, but my understanding is that it has been "tabled" until a future date. but i don't think a men's team has ever been discussed. soccer, or fútbol as you and others call it, is one of the few ncaa d1 sports that i think an hbcu at the d1 level could actually be competitive at the "national level" or even win a national championship. i mean, howard university "officially" won an ncaa d1 national soccer championship back in the the 70's and "unofficially" won the ncaa d1 national soccer championship "twice" on the field. however in a very controversial move, the ncaa vacated howard's 1971 championship but retained their 1974 national championship. howard actually reached the college cup six times back in the day. so it can be done by an hbcu. howard was largely successful back in the 70's and 80's because they were able to recruit a lot of foreign student athletes to their soccer teams. i don't see why that can't still be done by hbcu's... |
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Post by Blackfoot on Feb 8, 2023 1:02:17 GMT -5
Ahhh maaaaaan! That's unfortunate news. I would be interested to know why it was tabled as you say. I could attempt to guess the reasons, but would prefer not to go that route. Regardless, that's interesting info about Howard's history with the sport. I remember seeing when they were having a lot of success in recent years, but I did not know about their history in the 70s. Hopefully one day we will get a team - both men's and women's.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Feb 8, 2023 9:56:33 GMT -5
oleschoolaggie I definitely agree that it would be great for us to field both men's and women's fútbol! Isn't that the next sport to be added here soon? Actually yeh Maxell ! Those were fun matches. we were "supposed" to be fielding a women's soccer team, but my understanding is that it has been "tabled" until a future date. but i don't think a men's team has ever been discussed. soccer, or fútbol as you and others call it, is one of the few ncaa d1 sports that i think an hbcu at the d1 level could actually be competitive at the "national level" or even win a national championship. i mean, howard university "officially" won an ncaa d1 national soccer championship back in the the 70's and "unofficially" won the ncaa d1 national soccer championship "twice" on the field. however in a very controversial move, the ncaa vacated howard's 1971 championship but retained their 1974 national championship. howard actually reached the college cup six times back in the day. so it can be done by an hbcu. howard was largely successful back in the 70's and 80's because they were able to recruit a lot of foreign student athletes to their soccer teams. i don't see why that can't still be done by hbcu's... I still remember back in 74 or 75 we went to play Howard in Football and we were staying in the basement of their gym on bunkbeds. Howard's soccer team was practicing on that Friday night and they warmed up with the Harlem Globetrotters circle passing each other the ball with no hands involved, hitting it off their heads, knees, feet, back, etc.. Man it was a joy to watch. Must have lasted for about 30 minutes. Fond memories... |
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Post by saabman on Feb 8, 2023 13:41:49 GMT -5
That 71 team had two All Americans , Aqui and Henderson also the kicker is a lot of those players came from with in the regular international student body of Caribbean and African students, and were not even aware that HU had a soccer team . Until they were approached by Phillips to play/try out for the team .
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Post by B on Feb 9, 2023 4:28:19 GMT -5
i would luv to see a&t sponsor both men's and women's soccer. its a wonderful sport that doesn't cost a lot to field a team. personally, i'd rather see us sponsor soccer teams instead of golf or tennis teams... Golf and Tennis are less expensive sports with small rosters. I assume they are economical sports that help us meet the Division I minimum number of sports. I would love to see women's soccer, but It's not cheap. Soccer usually has a roster of 25-30 players and I estimate the budget for a quality team would be between $750K-$1000K. The facilities would be another expense. The stadium probably would run around $2-$3 million and the field house facilities would run north of $10 million. I'm assuming the field house gets shared with some other sports. I believe the numbers are similar to UNCG and Elon. You can't start a program from scratch in 2023 and nickle and dime it. Also, my expectations for a new program would be top 60-40 or better. I imagine they have tabled it. The dept. has other needs and priorities. Do we have a Director of Nutrition yet? |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 9, 2023 21:52:26 GMT -5
i would luv to see a&t sponsor both men's and women's soccer. its a wonderful sport that doesn't cost a lot to field a team. personally, i'd rather see us sponsor soccer teams instead of golf or tennis teams... Golf and Tennis are less expensive sports with small rosters. I assume they are economical sports that help us meet the Division I minimum number of sports. I would love to see women's soccer, but It's not cheap. Soccer usually has a roster of 25-30 players and I estimate the budget for a quality team would be between $750K-$1000K. The facilities would be another expense. The stadium probably would run around $2-$3 million and the field house facilities would run north of $10 million. I'm assuming the field house gets shared with some other sports. I believe the numbers are similar to UNCG and Elon. You can't start a program from scratch in 2023 and nickle and dime it. Also, my expectations for a new program would be top 60-40 or better. I imagine they have tabled it. The dept. has other needs and priorities. Do we have a Director of Nutrition yet? i'm not sure where you got your numbers from, but a "new stadium" definitely ain't necessary nor are new fieldhouse facilities. plus, i never said fielding a soccer team is "cheaper" than fielding golf or tennis teams. i just stated "my personal preference" for soccer over golf or tennis. additionally, soccer teams may have 25-30 players but only "10" are required to be on scholarship. so again, i don't know where you get your budget numbers from. $750K-$1000K to field a quality soccer team? are you serious? you do realize $1000K is $1 million, correct? ain't no way in hail it takes a $1 million budget to field a competitive soccer team. could you please explain what gives you the impression that it takes a $1 million budget to field a competitive soccer team? i mean, in state tuition for 2 semesters at a&t is roughly $6,700 per school "year". multiply that by 10 (maximum number of scholarships) and we're talking just $67k in scholarship costs. i mean, how far away is $67k from $1 million? or even $100k (for partially out of state tuition) which is only "one tenth" of $1 million. certainly, the cost of supplies and equipment are "minimal" for soccer. so i don't see why a $1 million budget is even remotely necessary to field a soccer team... |
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Post by saabman on Feb 9, 2023 22:27:11 GMT -5
Golf and Tennis are less expensive sports with small rosters. I assume they are economical sports that help us meet the Division I minimum number of sports. I would love to see women's soccer, but It's not cheap. Soccer usually has a roster of 25-30 players and I estimate the budget for a quality team would be between $750K-$1000K. The facilities would be another expense. The stadium probably would run around $2-$3 million and the field house facilities would run north of $10 million. I'm assuming the field house gets shared with some other sports. I believe the numbers are similar to UNCG and Elon. You can't start a program from scratch in 2023 and nickle and dime it. Also, my expectations for a new program would be top 60-40 or better. I imagine they have tabled it. The dept. has other needs and priorities. Do we have a Director of Nutrition yet? i'm not sure where you got your numbers from, but a "new stadium" definitely ain't necessary nor are new fieldhouse facilities. plus, i never said fielding a soccer team is "cheaper" than fielding golf or tennis teams. i just stated "my personal preference" for soccer over golf or tennis. additionally, soccer teams may have 25-30 players but only "10" are required to be on scholarship. so again, i don't know where you get your budget numbers from. $750K-$1000K to field a quality soccer team? are you serious? you do realize $1000K is $1 million, correct? ain't no way in hail it takes a $1 million budget to field a competitive soccer team. could you please explain what gives you the impression that it takes a $1 million budget to field a competitive soccer team? i mean, in state tuition for 2 semesters at a&t is roughly $6,700 per school "year". multiply that by 10 (maximum number of scholarships) and we're talking just $67k in scholarship costs. i mean, how far away is $67k from $1 million? or even $100k (for partially out of state tuition) which is only "one tenth" of $1 million. certainly, the cost of supplies and equipment are "minimal" for soccer. so i don't see why a $1 million budget is even remotely necessary to field a soccer team... 14 full scholarships for the women. 9 full scholarships for the men . |
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Feb 10, 2023 1:23:01 GMT -5
Howard had a championship type soccer team in the mid-sixties' early seventies. I believe they won a national title in the early seventies but was stripped of it due to NCAA violations.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 10, 2023 11:11:53 GMT -5
oleschool already mentioned that above
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 10, 2023 11:44:33 GMT -5
i'm not sure where you got your numbers from, but a "new stadium" definitely ain't necessary nor are new fieldhouse facilities. plus, i never said fielding a soccer team is "cheaper" than fielding golf or tennis teams. i just stated "my personal preference" for soccer over golf or tennis. additionally, soccer teams may have 25-30 players but only "10" are required to be on scholarship. so again, i don't know where you get your budget numbers from. $750K-$1000K to field a quality soccer team? are you serious? you do realize $1000K is $1 million, correct? ain't no way in hail it takes a $1 million budget to field a competitive soccer team. could you please explain what gives you the impression that it takes a $1 million budget to field a competitive soccer team? i mean, in state tuition for 2 semesters at a&t is roughly $6,700 per school "year". multiply that by 10 (maximum number of scholarships) and we're talking just $67k in scholarship costs. i mean, how far away is $67k from $1 million? or even $100k (for partially out of state tuition) which is only "one tenth" of $1 million. certainly, the cost of supplies and equipment are "minimal" for soccer. so i don't see why a $1 million budget is even remotely necessary to field a soccer team... 14 full scholarships for the women. 9 full scholarships for the men . i only checked the men which i found the ncaa requires 9.9 scholarships, so i just rounded it off to 10. but i didn't check the women. so let's assume that the women require 14 scholarships. that's still less than $94k per year in scholarship costs for in-state tuition, long way away from $1 million... |
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