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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 1, 2022 10:58:04 GMT -5
Why are we talking in circles? "He is who we think he is." Naw, everyone dont think the same about Coach Washington. I think they will bounce back and I think their will be a lot of eating of words over the next 4 years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 10:59:08 GMT -5
Why are we talking in circles? "He is who we think he is." And he has a contract until 2024. 🤷🏿♂️
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 1, 2022 11:07:42 GMT -5
I know what 2039 is saying sounds critical and aggressive. But, I tend to agree...in a team sport discipline is paramount and by the looks of things last year, he did not care about it enough. He said he cared but, not enough because it was clear it was losing him games. I would have no problem going 5-6 so long as the team shows improvement throughout the season. That was NOT the case, a lot of teams we played in September would have easily whooped our tails in late October and November. I just can't say a "DO OVER" is gonna be the answer either. I look at Broadway teams they got better and better throughout his tenure as a coach. I mean we lost some tough games but, by-in-large, our program improved the 7 years he coached. Can we really believe that we will continue to ascend under Washington...? I hope so but, in all likelihood, probably not.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 1, 2022 11:10:46 GMT -5
Why are we talking in circles? "He is who we think he is." Naw, everyone dont think the same about Coach Washington. I think they will bounce back and I think their will be a lot of eating of words over the next 4 years. I'm not referring to what we think about the outcomes, I'm talking about his approach to the game. We all know what that is. He won't change.
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Post by A&T-roy on Apr 1, 2022 11:20:47 GMT -5
I still don't understand where this zero tolerance, what gave you done for me lately attitude is coming from? In 3 seasons Coach Washington has 2 BCF national championships, 1 MEAC Coach of the year and an overall record of 24 - 12. Plus in 2018 he produced huge nonconference wins over ECU and fcs #6 Jax State. Hell, almost any AD in America would have offered a contract extension after that! Oh and don't let me get started regarding his accomplishments as our DC under Broadway! Folks be careful of what you wish for. Reminds me of when fans called for Bill Hayes ouster. How'd that work out? DECKS - It's RIDICULOUS. Seems some want people fired because a player jumped off sides. Sam Washington is a proud man that has done great things for AggieLand, including (as I understand it) being the primary on getting us out of the APR debacle we were in to go along with those things you mentioned. I believe it's true that ONLY ONE HBCU (Howard - UNLV) has beaten an FBS program in the time we've beaten 3 FBS programs with Coach Wash involved (1 while he was HC under some very dire circumstances). We are the CREAM of the HBCU crop in beating OOC FCS programs during his time, including a sometimes decent CAA team (Elon) 4 times. Not to mention 2 Celebration Bowl wins as HC and 4 during his time...UNDEFEATED no less. I really wish some/many of them could be put into all of the things that go on with college athletes, an HBCU program, etc....made responsible, etc. etc. etc. etc. so they can come out and tell the others (not gonna say the word I want). Granted, I expect the others won't believe it unless they're also put in it. Related to lack of discipline, it happens when you have youth, lack of continuity due to unavailability of your better players, things aren't going well, etc. All that said, I guess "What have you done for me latelies" have their place.
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 1, 2022 11:23:50 GMT -5
Why are we talking in circles? "He is who we think he is." Naw, everyone dont think the same about Coach Washington. I think they will bounce back and I think their will be a lot of eating of words over the next 4 years. But what is bouncing back...? It's relative. If we go 6-5 we bounced back; 7-4 we bounced back; 8-3 we bounced back...you get the point. But, even at say 7-4 and there were 2-3 games that it is clear we should have won the game, is that really bouncing back?? Just asking...
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 1, 2022 11:36:05 GMT -5
I still don't understand where this zero tolerance, what gave you done for me lately attitude is coming from? In 3 seasons Coach Washington has 2 BCF national championships, 1 MEAC Coach of the year and an overall record of 24 - 12. Plus in 2018 he produced huge nonconference wins over ECU and fcs #6 Jax State. Hell, almost any AD in America would have offered a contract extension after that! Oh and don't let me get started regarding his accomplishments as our DC under Broadway! Folks be careful of what you wish for. Reminds me of when fans called for Bill Hayes ouster. How'd that work out? DECKS - It's RIDICULOUS. Seems some want people fired because a player jumped off sides. Sam Washington is a proud man that has done great things for AggieLand, including (as I understand it) being the primary on getting us out of the APR debacle we were in to go along with those things you mentioned. I believe it's true that ONLY ONE HBCU (Howard - UNLV) has beaten an FBS program in the time we've beaten 3 FBS programs with Coach Wash involved (1 while he was HC under some very dire circumstances). We are the CREAM of the HBCU crop in beating OOC FCS programs during his time, including a sometimes decent CAA team (Elon) 4 times. Not to mention 2 Celebration Bowl wins as HC and 4 during his time...UNDEFEATED no less. I really wish some/many of them could be put into all of the things that go on with college athletes, an HBCU program, etc....made responsible, etc. etc. etc. etc. so they can come out and tell the others (not gonna say the word I want). Granted, I expect the others won't believe it unless they're also put in it. Related to lack of discipline, it happens when you have youth, lack of continuity due to unavailability of your better players, things aren't going well, etc. All that said, I guess "What have you done for me latelies" have their place. Here's what I say to this...in the last 3 to 4 seasons, you can see how the game of football has evolved at the college level. Now, it's hard to tell if the game has passed coach by or he is adjusting to the evolution of the game. But, you guys want to throw last season out as an outlier. If we do that then, this season has to be the measuring stick to determine if he has made the adjustment to the evolution. I have no quarrels with that. But, we do have to keep in mind the man's right-hand men just left the cupboard. I'm a realist...it just doesn't seem practical that things/outcomes will be better given the circumstances. I'm not that foolish to think, we will become champions this season because, I haven't seen a progression to that.
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Post by aggie30 on Apr 1, 2022 11:38:33 GMT -5
Naw, everyone dont think the same about Coach Washington. I think they will bounce back and I think their will be a lot of eating of words over the next 4 years. But what is bouncing back...? It's relative. If we go 6-5 we bounced back; 7-4 we bounced back; 8-3 we bounced back...you get the point. But, even at say 7-4 and there were 2-3 games that it is clear we should have won the game, is that really bouncing back?? Just asking... I understand it is the coaches job to be the leaders. I also believe the seniors can be leaders on and off the field. Who is teaching the younger kids how to lead? It usually comes from the upper classman. I enjoyed hearing from some of the former football players on BDV how the players held each other accountable. That needs to happen, we want coaches on the field not just on the sidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 11:56:24 GMT -5
Naw, everyone dont think the same about Coach Washington. I think they will bounce back and I think their will be a lot of eating of words over the next 4 years. But what is bouncing back...? It's relative. If we go 6-5 we bounced back; 7-4 we bounced back; 8-3 we bounced back...you get the point. But, even at say 7-4 and there were 2-3 games that it is clear we should have won the game, is that really bouncing back?? Just asking... Yes, that's bouncing back. We were 5-6. 5 and 6.
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 1, 2022 12:07:20 GMT -5
But what is bouncing back...? It's relative. If we go 6-5 we bounced back; 7-4 we bounced back; 8-3 we bounced back...you get the point. But, even at say 7-4 and there were 2-3 games that it is clear we should have won the game, is that really bouncing back?? Just asking... Yes, that's bouncing back. We were 5-6. 5 and 6. While it may be an improvement, I still call it underachieving. I would like to see the team reach full potential and if we lose, fine. But, don't underachieve.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 1, 2022 12:41:54 GMT -5
Hilton has said he wants his programs winning the conference every four years. In the CAA he probably is going to have to stretch that to every eight years for the "big 3." In the intervening years I figure as far as football so long as we contend, don't go back to back four win or less seasons, and average around seven wins per year then whoever is coaching is probably safe.
We didn't join a conference where we'll be in the conversation a lot anytime soon. I'd be ecstatic if Coach can see a conference championship under his belt in our swan song year in the BS and at least once in the CAA. Hopefully we help him get there.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 1, 2022 12:42:41 GMT -5
Naw, everyone dont think the same about Coach Washington. I think they will bounce back and I think their will be a lot of eating of words over the next 4 years. But what is bouncing back...? It's relative. If we go 6-5 we bounced back; 7-4 we bounced back; 8-3 we bounced back...you get the point. But, even at say 7-4 and there were 2-3 games that it is clear we should have won the game, is that really bouncing back?? Just asking... You need to ask yourself that question. If 7-4 is not acceptable to you then you have already made your mind up. I've already stated that I would like to see 8-3 this year. If we not 8-3 then I would do my own analysis of why we ended up worse than that and say my little 2 cents then. I do think that this team AND the staff are capable of 8-3 if we get QB situation worked out and don't just go down with the starter no matter how bad he is playing.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Apr 1, 2022 13:16:36 GMT -5
The fact that people are ready to toss coach out after a sub-par year is astonishing to me. You already know all the accolades as a head coach and as a DC, but yet he has one 5-6 season and people act like none of the other stuff happened. I really hope they play well this season and shut some people up. To me it's more than Coach Washington's win-lost record last season. It's how the individual players performed on and off the field. The numerous penalties that killed drives or allowed the opponent additional opportunities. And the utter inability to adjust at halftime to correct mistakes made in the first half. I don't like losing but I sure as heck hate for our team to look like a Pop Warner team when they lose. No it was not just the "5-6 season" it was the embarrassing way our players and coaches performed during the game.
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 1, 2022 13:20:10 GMT -5
Wow 2039, winning a CHIP means nothing? And you make the declaration that Coach Wash accomplished nothing last year. His efforts to build character in our young men missed the mark? It has been well documented the challenges he faced and let me know how many teams at any level went to a new league and dominated? I was disappointed in our results last year as most, but I am not in the camp where Coach doesn't deserve an opportunity to bite at the apple a second time. And I definitely don't plan on predicting his demise in the CAA. Let's wait and see. Winning a CHIP in a watered down conference is not impressive. All the remaining conf teams were under .500 in conf play last year. So basically all the scrub teams are left and unfortunately someone will be crowned conf champion. So winning the BSC championship means absolutely nothing. Challenges have nothing to do with the cultural issues of the program…. We have been an undisciplined team every year under Washington and it continues to get worse. I don’t know what he is instilling in those young men but what I do know is that it isn’t discipline and accountability. This isn’t about going 5-6, this about his overall lack of leadership and ability to control his team. Let’s not forget GW needed the cops to escort them to their busses because the young men he develops tried to fight an opposing team after the game.
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 1, 2022 13:30:40 GMT -5
I had to sound like a pessimist but, I cannot just go stick my head in a hole and expect and hope that our issues will go away. That's what it feels like when we dismiss the importance of discipline. But we will see...I sure do hope the discipline gets better and/or I am wrong. But, in my experience wishing and hoping doesn't cut, you have to get up and make things happen.
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