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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 4, 2023 0:15:28 GMT -5
gotta consider that there was no hbcu legacy bowl and hbcu combine when raynard graduated. naturally, when all 32 nfl teams send representative to this event, its no surprise that an nfl scout may show interest in some of the players. the nfl is a co-sponsor of this event, raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in this event like fowler was...
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Post by A&T-roy on Mar 4, 2023 11:10:19 GMT -5
Y'all should hear the conversations I've had with the people of several of our QBs:
- Coach(s) don't like him - He intimidates the coaches with his knowledge of the game - They're using him wrong - Etc.
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Post by saabman on Mar 4, 2023 11:40:47 GMT -5
Come on now OSA .Raynard had a talented team around him on both sides of the ball . No one said he was "misused" because he had talented players surrounding him in a conference that focused more on talent and less on the X and O of positioning that Talent . Look at the team that surrounded Raynard from the line , Receivers to RB . Now look at what Chico (Fowler) hand surrounding him . Fowler's must consistent receiver was hurt, best running back played hurt most of the season, inconsistent play calling by the OC , receiver and offensive line play and don't let me get started on the defensive side of the ball . Hell I have never been a Chico fan, because I could see that it was the system along with all of the above Fast forward to this year. Better O line play , better running game , Backs,TE and Receivers were more consistent and integrated into the passing game and play calling became more tailored to Chico's skill set as a pocket passer not an RPO QUARTERBACK. Anytime you try to make a player fit a system and not fit the system around the quarterbacks skill set. You are misusing that QB's talent and skill set. Come on now . Also let me say this anytime a TE that was Barely Used in our offense can transfer and receive a scholarship from LSU that should tell you something right there about the misuse of our talent . What did LSU see that we couldn't see . classic case of "excuses". it ain't like fowler never played against hbcu's and i don't buy the "he didn't have talented players surrounding him" excuse either. his team was in position to win the bsc championship for crying out loud! can't do that without talented players surrounding you. so i stand by my assessment. an all star game is not the best competition to judge a player's true talent. and our te's ain't got nothing to do with this debate. raynard did have an opportunity to play arena ball. let's see what opportunities fowler ends up with... The year Chico (Fowler) became the starting QB he was basically on a depleted team by graduation, injuries and inconsistent in game player actions . In saying that no one is Right or Wrong in this conversations of opinions. Because personally I feel that our Best QB on the Raynard Fowler time line. Spent the most of his career at A&T as a Game Changer Winning Substitute Backup. Until he got his shot and disproved the few wrong.. couldn't make the throws, he was just a runner, couldn't pass from the pocket . Carter probably was the best QB on that time line based on the type of offense we ran RPO ,because he was a true RPO/ multi purpose/ Swiss army knife type quarterback . Raynard and Fowler were more alike both good pocket passers with limited vertical speed with one being a step faster than the other 😆 but Raynard and Carter had excellent proven Talent surrounding them . Fowler not so much. Excuses or my opinion 🤔 either no one is wrong or right, it's just there opinion. And my opinion/excuse (pick or preference) Fowler-Chico talents were misused. Fowler= Chico has proven himself worthy of any opportunity presented to him going Forward.
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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 4, 2023 14:13:18 GMT -5
sorry, but i don't share the same sentiment as most of ya'll. an all star game is not the best competition to judge a player's true talent. pretty difficult to "game plan" for an individual when you don't know what kind of offense or defense the opposing team will be playing. i mean, it ain't like the coaches of all star teams can study team film on their opponents for pregame preparation and vice versa. however, you really get to see the "true colors" of an individual player when an opponent can "game plan" for that individual which is what happens during the regular season. i think fowler looked good in the all star game based on the clips i saw. but my overall opinion of his abilities have not changed as a result of that one all star game. i think it is "unfair" to imply that fowler was misused at a&t just because of fowler's all star performance. i mean, fowler's skillset is very similar (not the exact same) as raynard's but raynard performed far better. yet, nobody ever accused raynard of being "misused" by our coaches. nobody ever accused "any" of our starting qb's during the broadway/washington eras of being "misused". so is fowler the only one "allegedly" that was misused? i don't think fowler was "misused" at a&t... I have to disagree because you have to remember the chronological order of the events. Raynard’s best year by far was his junior year when he had an OC and Barnette was his QB coach. His senior year he had Barnette as as his OC only and his numbers declined. Now I do remember he had the issue with gall stones that attributed to the decline as well. But, long story short, he had struggles against defenses he torched the year before in Morgan and Famu. When there is smoke there’s fire and in this case there is a small blaze regarding the coaching.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:27:58 GMT -5
Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 4, 2023 14:27:58 GMT -5
Y'all should hear the conversations I've had with the people of several of our QBs: - Coach(s) don't like him - He intimidates the coaches with his knowledge of the game - They're using him wrong - Etc. Sounds like every disgruntled parent of a pop warner football player. I would take all of that feedback with a grain of salt. Let's use some basic logic here. Why would a college football coach not want to use their best players in a manner that would help them win ballgames?
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oleschoolaggie
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Mar 4, 2023 14:30:24 GMT -5
Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 4, 2023 14:30:24 GMT -5
sorry, but i don't share the same sentiment as most of ya'll. an all star game is not the best competition to judge a player's true talent. pretty difficult to "game plan" for an individual when you don't know what kind of offense or defense the opposing team will be playing. i mean, it ain't like the coaches of all star teams can study team film on their opponents for pregame preparation and vice versa. however, you really get to see the "true colors" of an individual player when an opponent can "game plan" for that individual which is what happens during the regular season. i think fowler looked good in the all star game based on the clips i saw. but my overall opinion of his abilities have not changed as a result of that one all star game. i think it is "unfair" to imply that fowler was misused at a&t just because of fowler's all star performance. i mean, fowler's skillset is very similar (not the exact same) as raynard's but raynard performed far better. yet, nobody ever accused raynard of being "misused" by our coaches. nobody ever accused "any" of our starting qb's during the broadway/washington eras of being "misused". so is fowler the only one "allegedly" that was misused? i don't think fowler was "misused" at a&t... I have to disagree because you have to remember the chronological order of the events. Raynard’s best year by far was his junior year when he had an OC and Barnette was his QB coach. His senior year he had Barnette as as his OC only and his numbers declined. Now I do remember he had the issue with gall stones that attributed to the decline as well. But, long story short, he had struggles against defenses he torched the year before in Morgan and Famu. When there is smoke there’s fire and in this case there is a small blaze regarding the coaching. i think its legitimate to state that raynard was not "healthy" for the vast majority of his senior season. that had more to do with his drop off in his senior year than anything else...
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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 4, 2023 14:38:59 GMT -5
I think that’s what the issue we are discussing is…it’s not they didn’t try and use him properly but, their vision for him at qb wasn’t broad enough to see that he could be a better qb with a different style offense. They just forced the RPO down his throat which made him look inconsistent and unsure of himself at times. And I was critical of our qbs early on but, my boy that played for A&T in the 80s made me realize how he could give Chico/Fowler several that would make him look like an all-conference player. He could do the same things that Deion’s son can do skill set wise but, the offense that Jackson State ran had Sander’s in Heisman conversations depending on who you talked to. A guy with his arm talent along with Tuten, we should have been able to make defenses defend the whole field. We didn’t…
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Post by saabman on Mar 4, 2023 15:34:51 GMT -5
I have to disagree because you have to remember the chronological order of the events. Raynard’s best year by far was his junior year when he had an OC and Barnette was his QB coach. His senior year he had Barnette as as his OC only and his numbers declined. Now I do remember he had the issue with gall stones that attributed to the decline as well. But, long story short, he had struggles against defenses he torched the year before in Morgan and Famu. When there is smoke there’s fire and in this case there is a small blaze regarding the coaching. i think its legitimate to state that raynard was not "healthy" for the vast majority of his senior season. that had more to do with his drop off in his senior year than anything else... So Raynard gets a pass and Fowler doesn't ? Come on now 😆
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Post by Gator on Mar 6, 2023 11:41:18 GMT -5
i think its legitimate to state that raynard was not "healthy" for the vast majority of his senior season. that had more to do with his drop off in his senior year than anything else... So Raynard gets a pass and Fowler doesn't ? Come on now 😆 Correct me if I'm wrong, but Barnette was his OC both Raynards junior and senior year. His drop off, all though not major, was due to some of his questionable decisions on the field.
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 6, 2023 11:47:37 GMT -5
If Fowler is able to continue to play at the next level, it will be interesting to see how much of a difference new coaching and the ability to concentrate solely upon playing as opposed to playing and schoolwork will make in his skillset.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 6, 2023 14:45:09 GMT -5
i think its legitimate to state that raynard was not "healthy" for the vast majority of his senior season. that had more to do with his drop off in his senior year than anything else... So Raynard gets a pass and Fowler doesn't ? Come on now 😆 dude, what are you talking about? i'm the one who was first to come out and state that fowler should be our permanent starter during his senior year. i have no idea what you're talking about. my point about raynard's senior year relative to nfl scouts observing him was that raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in the legacy bowl or the hbcu combine like fowler did because there was no hbcu legacy bowl and hbcu combine when raynard graduated. so i have no idea what you mean by raynard gets a pass...
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Post by saabman on Mar 6, 2023 17:46:50 GMT -5
So Raynard gets a pass and Fowler doesn't ? Come on now 😆 dude, what are you talking about? i'm the one who was first to come out and state that fowler should be our permanent starter during his senior year. i have no idea what you're talking about. my point about raynard's senior year relative to nfl scouts observing him was that raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in the legacy bowl or the hbcu combine like fowler did because there was no hbcu legacy bowl and hbcu combine when raynard graduated. so i have no idea what you mean by raynard gets a pass... No you were not . There were a number of people on here , even with there feelings about Chico that stated " Fowler (Chico) was our best option " and should or would have been the starter before getting sick . Also Chico played hurt most of the inaugural season in the Big S***it on a depleted team inconsistent team . So if Raynard received a pass for having a sub-par injury season , Why should Chico (Fowler) not be given the same consideration , that is my point . Having said that you know my thread name and possibly my Sir name . Neither one of them is DUDE. We have been going back and forward in agreement and disagreement to long to address one another as DUDE. Really OSA 😆 SMIB RESPECT!!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 6, 2023 19:39:04 GMT -5
dude, what are you talking about? i'm the one who was first to come out and state that fowler should be our permanent starter during his senior year. i have no idea what you're talking about. my point about raynard's senior year relative to nfl scouts observing him was that raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in the legacy bowl or the hbcu combine like fowler did because there was no hbcu legacy bowl and hbcu combine when raynard graduated. so i have no idea what you mean by raynard gets a pass... No you were not . There were a number of people on here , even with there feelings about Chico that stated " Fowler (Chico) was our best option " and should or would have been the starter before getting sick . Also Chico played hurt most of the inaugural season in the Big S***it on a depleted team inconsistent team . So if Raynard received a pass for having a sub-par injury season , Why should Chico (Fowler) not be given the same consideration , that is my point . Having said that you know my thread name and possibly my Sir name . Neither one of them is DUDE. We have been going back and forward in agreement and disagreement to long to address one another as DUDE. Really OSA 😆 SMIB RESPECT!!! wow, i never knew the term "dude" was disrespectful. that's completely new to me! you keep saying somebody gave raynard a pass! that wasn't me. ask trues and monster how much of a so called "pass" that i gave raynard? i never compared raynard's senior year performance to fowler's senior year performance, so again i don't know what you're talking about. the only comparison during raynard's senior year that i made with fowler's senior year was that raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in the legacy bowl or the hbcu combine like fowler did. that's all! i mean, please post my statement where i gave raynard a pass as you allege? and yes, i would argue that i was among "the first" if not the absolute "first" to state that fowler deserved to be our permanent starter last season. when i have time, i'll pull up the thread to prove it. at a time when a lot of folk were bashing fowler during his senior season, i stated that he was our best option early on last season while most folk were still down on him. so i don't know where you're getting you information from. fowler's senior year performance has "zero" to do with my statement that raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in the legacy bowl or the hbcu combine like fowler did. shoot, i'm the one who said that fowler's skillset was "similar" to raynard's skillset. so how is it that i've been giving raynard a pass? mind you, my guy during raynard's years was kylil carter, not raynard. so i wasn't even a big raynard fan until his junior year. so you must have me confused with someone else. in no way whatsoever have i given raynard a pass on "anything" as you allege...
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Post by saabman on Mar 6, 2023 22:19:30 GMT -5
No you were not . There were a number of people on here , even with there feelings about Chico that stated " Fowler (Chico) was our best option " and should or would have been the starter before getting sick . Also Chico played hurt most of the inaugural season in the Big S***it on a depleted team inconsistent team . So if Raynard received a pass for having a sub-par injury season , Why should Chico (Fowler) not be given the same consideration , that is my point . Having said that you know my thread name and possibly my Sir name . Neither one of them is DUDE. We have been going back and forward in agreement and disagreement to long to address one another as DUDE. Really OSA 😆 SMIB RESPECT!!! wow, i never knew the term "dude" was disrespectful. that's completely new to me! you keep saying somebody gave raynard a pass! that wasn't me. ask trues and monster how much of a so called "pass" that i gave raynard? i never compared raynard's senior year performance to fowler's senior year performance, so again i don't know what you're talking about. the only comparison during raynard's senior year that i made with fowler's senior year was that raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in the legacy bowl or the hbcu combine like fowler did. that's all! i mean, please post my statement where i gave raynard a pass as you allege? and yes, i would argue that i was among "the first" if not the absolute "first" to state that fowler deserved to be our permanent starter last season. when i have time, i'll pull up the thread to prove it. at a time when a lot of folk were bashing fowler during his senior season, i stated that he was our best option early on last season while most folk were still down on him. so i don't know where you're getting you information from. fowler's senior year performance has "zero" to do with my statement that raynard did not have an opportunity to participate in the legacy bowl or the hbcu combine like fowler did. shoot, i'm the one who said that fowler's skillset was "similar" to raynard's skillset. so how is it that i've been giving raynard a pass? mind you, my guy during raynard's years was kylil carter, not raynard. so i wasn't even a big raynard fan until his junior year. so you must have me confused with someone else. in no way whatsoever have i given raynard a pass on "anything" as you allege... I don't have to ask anyone other then you . That's why I asked you . That last sentence was all you had to say to " So Raynard should get a pass " because I remember your postings about both Raynard and Carter. As for Dude never said it was disrespectful but it is out of character when you know someone . SMIB RESPECT moving on .
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Post by A&T-roy on Mar 7, 2023 17:27:47 GMT -5
Y'all should hear the conversations I've had with the people of several of our QBs: - Coach(s) don't like him - He intimidates the coaches with his knowledge of the game - They're using him wrong - Etc. Sounds like every disgruntled parent of a pop warner football player. I would take all of that feedback with a grain of salt. Let's use some basic logic here. Why would a college football coach not want to use their best players in a manner that would help them win ballgames? I made this statement because of the statements about us not developing/using players right. That said, there are MANY different dynamics that go on between players and coaches, including those things I listed.
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