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Post by saabman on Apr 14, 2021 2:50:32 GMT -5
My take on this is different then the X & O aspect . Do you truthfully think that Lou Saban and a lot of the P5 coaches actually coach ? I would say that most HC in the higher level spend about 10 out of 100 % actually coaching . 90% administration management and fundraising interaction with corporate and individual donors & boosters . That is why the Head coach surrounds himself with outstanding Personnel on his staff from position coaches to OC and DC . The problem that HBCUS have had is not having that Face that can attract deep pocket donors and corporations that may not normally look our way . For me this is more a way to attract Financial institutions to there school . If George and Sanders can provide that extra bump financially for Jackson State and Tennessee state I say go for it because as you can see the positive effect it is having at both institutions . Also anyone that has been around coaching at a high level will tell you that the staff, position coaches , OC ,DC are just as if not more important than the HeadCoach who has the final say in game preparation an execution cat practice and in games . All of those things are true, BUT how many HBCUS have assistant coaches that make an average of $500,000 each? HBCU head coaches cannot be figure heads only because assistants aren't paid enough to take on broader responsibilities, and there are not enough of them. Our head coaches have to coach and be father figures, not figure heads. Head coaches have to fight to get their assistants paid. Sometimes they have to forfeit increases themselves in order to retain good assistants. Our budgets are not big enough to play by the rules you are suggesting just to allow a celebrity to be out front. I agree and understand what you stated . I was just giving a different perspective on why JSU & TSU hired two ex HOF players with no coaching experience.
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Post by saabman on Apr 14, 2021 2:53:57 GMT -5
My take on this is different then the X & O aspect . Do you truthfully think that Lou Saban and a lot of the P5 coaches actually coach ? I would say that most HC in the higher level spend about 10 out of 100 % actually coaching . 90% administration management and fundraising interaction with corporate and individual donors & boosters . That is why the Head coach surrounds himself with outstanding Personnel on his staff from position coaches to OC and DC . The problem that HBCUS have had is not having that Face that can attract deep pocket donors and corporations that may not normally look our way . For me this is more a way to attract Financial institutions to there school . If George and Sanders can provide that extra bump financially for Jackson State and Tennessee state I say go for it because as you can see the positive effect it is having at both institutions . Also anyone that has been around coaching at a high level will tell you that the staff, position coaches , OC ,DC are just as if not more important than the HeadCoach who has the final say in game preparation an execution cat practice and in games . So the coaches who are actually working and developing our players don't deserve q chance to be a head coach? And we are suppose to allow those who wouldn't even consider to play at our schools to come now and coach because they can't get an opportunity at the schools they played at? Nah that's a slap in the face. And Deion is already working on getting Ed Reed and Ray Louis Head coaching jobs. Look read my statement again PLEASE. I'm not even going to repeat myself again . If you don't understand the point I'm trying to make so be it .
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Apr 14, 2021 9:02:08 GMT -5
There are coaches at all levels busting their asses for an opportunity to reach the status of being a collegiate head coach and folks wake up one day and decide that they want to be one and move to the front of the line. Why do our institutions have to be the testing grounds?? JMHO...
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Post by aggierattler on Apr 14, 2021 9:43:21 GMT -5
There are coaches at all levels busting their asses for an opportunity to reach the status of being a collegiate head coach and folks wake up one day and decide that they want to be one and move to the front of the line. Why do our institutions have to be the testing grounds?? JMHO... AGREED! And we have absolutely no chance of retaining them should they become successful. If Deion has three good seasons at Jackson State, he'll be on the first train out of Jackson to take anyone's PWI job.
Meanwhile, great coaches like Sam Washington, who did the grunt work for decades, have to wait and wait and wait for their first opportunity to lead a quality program.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 14, 2021 9:53:16 GMT -5
There are coaches at all levels busting their asses for an opportunity to reach the status of being a collegiate head coach and folks wake up one day and decide that they want to be one and move to the front of the line. Why do our institutions have to be the testing grounds?? JMHO... I would say it's because our institutions are the only ones allowing them the opportunity, but then I thought about Ed McCaffrey getting the Northern Colorado job and Mike Minter getting the Campbell job (although at least Minter had some college assistant coaching experience). I guess it ain't much different from a reality star walking up and being elected president with no experience. People are excited by star power and it clouds their thinking. Some of these guys will be successful and some won't. The question is who'll leave their institution better than they found it so that one of the coaches who has been busting their asses for an opportunity can come in and have more to work with than they would have otherwise.
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Post by The Professor on Apr 14, 2021 10:40:22 GMT -5
So the coaches who are actually working and developing our players don't deserve q chance to be a head coach? And we are suppose to allow those who wouldn't even consider to play at our schools to come now and coach because they can't get an opportunity at the schools they played at? Nah that's a slap in the face. And Deion is already working on getting Ed Reed and Ray Louis Head coaching jobs. Look read my statement again PLEASE. I'm not even going to repeat myself again . If you don't understand the point I'm trying to make so be it . Understand completely. You're in favor of a celebrity coach who can grab headlines and be propped up by real coaches in the other coaching positions. So that celebrity coach can bring in donations. Did I miss anything
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Post by aggie2008 on Apr 14, 2021 11:26:09 GMT -5
Man, I can't wait for the Southern Heritage Classic
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Post by saabman on Apr 14, 2021 11:35:36 GMT -5
Look read my statement again PLEASE. I'm not even going to repeat myself again . If you don't understand the point I'm trying to make so be it . Understand completely. You're in favor of a celebrity coach who can grab headlines and be propped up by real coaches in the other coaching positions. So that celebrity coach can bring in donations. Did I miss anything Yes you're still off topic. I'm not in favor of anything because it's not effecting my two institutions. I'm just pointing out what I think is the reasoning behind the hirings . Which in my opinion is more about financial funds and exposure that they would not normally be had . Also and I have stated this before a (Head Coach is only as good as the the staff that he surrounds himself with ) so in essence all head coaches are propped up by their assistant coaches , with the head coach getting all the credit that should go to the position coaches OC and DC that you do have correct .
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Post by aggieclt on Apr 14, 2021 12:01:49 GMT -5
Man, I can't wait for the Southern Heritage Classic Oh! I didn't think about that! Eddie George & TSU vs. Deion Sanders & JSU ... in Memphis!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 14, 2021 12:22:35 GMT -5
celebrity has its “privileges”. not only in coaching, but in other professions too like broadcasting, advertising, and acting. gotta admit it, we may not like celebrities jumping to the head of the line, but celebrities attract a whole bunch of “eye balls” and puts fannies in the seats and that translates into “financial gain” for certain institutions.
we’ve already seen additonal sponsorships and tv coverage in the swac “specifically” because of primetime. and if that continues and if eddie george brings similar benefits to tsu, don’t be surprised if seeking to hire celebrities to coach at hbcu’s continues at other hbcu’s as well...
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