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Post by saabman on Apr 12, 2021 8:13:33 GMT -5
So, they fired Rod Reed and hired Eddie George the same day? Damn, I don't think I've ever seen that before. You have seen it because A&T did it in basketball when Coach Alexander was hired. |
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Post by bluehaze on Apr 12, 2021 8:30:50 GMT -5
So, they fired Rod Reed and hired Eddie George the same day? Damn, I don't think I've ever seen that before. You have seen it because A&T did it in basketball when Coach Alexander was hired. No, he wasn't. Eaves was fired on March, 13th and Alexander was hired on April, 20th 2012 |
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Post by saabman on Apr 12, 2021 9:28:02 GMT -5
You have seen it because A&T did it in basketball when Coach Alexander was hired. No, he wasn't. Eaves was fired on March, 13th and Alexander was hired on April, 20th 2012 Believe that if you want to but I agree to disagree. I guess backroom handshake deals don't count. |
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Post by bluehaze on Apr 12, 2021 9:49:51 GMT -5
No, he wasn't. Eaves was fired on March, 13th and Alexander was hired on April, 20th 2012 Believe that if you want to but I agree to disagree. I guess backroom handshake deals don't count. For the point of this conversation, they don't. Aggie77 is talking about the optics of publicly hiring and firing a position on the same day. That didn't happen with Eaves and Alexander. |
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Post by saabman on Apr 12, 2021 10:05:21 GMT -5
Believe that if you want to but I agree to disagree. I guess backroom handshake deals don't count. For the point of this conversation, they don't. Aggie77 is talking about the optics of publicly hiring and firing a position on the same day. That didn't happen with Eaves and Alexander. True that. I guess College is no different then any other business it's all about how you manage it . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 10:14:11 GMT -5
Sabb,
Coach Rod Reed told his team that he was leaving as the coach before all of this broke publicly. He signed a 1 year extension and honestly, needed to go. The guy could recruit however he and his staff lacked in the actual coaching department to win in the OVC consistently; a 1-bid FCS conference. The OVC is nowhere near the strength of the Big Sky, CAA, and MVFC, and Jax State is leaving for the deceptively powerful ASun.
And EG and Jeff Fisher could bring in Hue Jackson as the OC. Yikes!
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Post by The Professor on Apr 13, 2021 12:41:22 GMT -5
It's ridiculous that we as HBCUs are hiring coaches with no experience because of their name
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 13, 2021 14:03:21 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with doing what works.
The problem I have is that these cats were unapproachable by hbcus when they played. It's kind of hypocritical for them to show up in somebody else's living room and say "play here" when they wouldn't have let a coach from an hbcu in their living room when they were being recruited.
But if we as hbcus have to have these figureheads show up in living rooms in order to get more talented players, then that's what we should do.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 13, 2021 16:19:43 GMT -5
I have mixed emotions about all of this. If HBCUs become a landing spot for ex-players to coach, that's fine. But not as a head coach. It will turn into a circus quickly if they cannot win football games. The celebrity will wear off at some point. My concern is that this will tarnish the whole of HBCU football and become a minstrel show of ex-players that are not able to coach at the college level. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by saabman on Apr 13, 2021 19:14:44 GMT -5
It's ridiculous that we as HBCUs are hiring coaches with no experience because of their name My take on this is different then the X & O aspect . Do you truthfully think that Lou Saban and a lot of the P5 coaches actually coach ? I would say that most HC in the higher level spend about 10 out of 100 % actually coaching . 90% administration management and fundraising interaction with corporate and individual donors & boosters . That is why the Head coach surrounds himself with outstanding Personnel on his staff from position coaches to OC and DC . The problem that HBCUS have had is not having that Face that can attract deep pocket donors and corporations that may not normally look our way . For me this is more a way to attract Financial institutions to there school . If George and Sanders can provide that extra bump financially for Jackson State and Tennessee state I say go for it because as you can see the positive effect it is having at both institutions . Also anyone that has been around coaching at a high level will tell you that the staff, position coaches , OC ,DC are just as if not more important than the HeadCoach who has the final say in game preparation an execution cat practice and in games . |
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Post by Maxell on Apr 13, 2021 19:47:45 GMT -5
It's ridiculous that we as HBCUs are hiring coaches with no experience because of their name My take on this is different then the X & O aspect . Do you truthfully think that Lou Saban and a lot of the P5 coaches actually coach ? I would say that most HC in the higher level spend about 10 out of 100 % actually coaching . 90% administration management and fundraising interaction with corporate and individual donors & boosters . That is why the Head coach surrounds himself with outstanding Personnel on his staff from position coaches to OC and DC . The problem that HBCUS have had is not having that Face that can attract deep pocket donors and corporations that may not normally look our way . For me this is more a way to attract Financial institutions to there school . If George and Sanders can provide that extra bump financially for Jackson State and Tennessee state I say go for it because as you can see the positive effect it is having at both institutions . Also anyone that has been around coaching at a high level will tell you that the staff, position coaches , OC ,DC are just as if not more important than the HeadCoach who has the final say in game preparation an execution cat practice and in games . All of those things are true, BUT how many HBCUS have assistant coaches that make an average of $500,000 each? HBCU head coaches cannot be figure heads only because assistants aren't paid enough to take on broader responsibilities, and there are not enough of them. Our head coaches have to coach and be father figures, not figure heads. Head coaches have to fight to get their assistants paid. Sometimes they have to forfeit increases themselves in order to retain good assistants. Our budgets are not big enough to play by the rules you are suggesting just to allow a celebrity to be out front. |
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Post by The Professor on Apr 13, 2021 19:53:08 GMT -5
It's ridiculous that we as HBCUs are hiring coaches with no experience because of their name My take on this is different then the X & O aspect . Do you truthfully think that Lou Saban and a lot of the P5 coaches actually coach ? I would say that most HC in the higher level spend about 10 out of 100 % actually coaching . 90% administration management and fundraising interaction with corporate and individual donors & boosters . That is why the Head coach surrounds himself with outstanding Personnel on his staff from position coaches to OC and DC . The problem that HBCUS have had is not having that Face that can attract deep pocket donors and corporations that may not normally look our way . For me this is more a way to attract Financial institutions to there school . If George and Sanders can provide that extra bump financially for Jackson State and Tennessee state I say go for it because as you can see the positive effect it is having at both institutions . Also anyone that has been around coaching at a high level will tell you that the staff, position coaches , OC ,DC are just as if not more important than the HeadCoach who has the final say in game preparation an execution cat practice and in games . So the coaches who are actually working and developing our players don't deserve q chance to be a head coach? And we are suppose to allow those who wouldn't even consider to play at our schools to come now and coach because they can't get an opportunity at the schools they played at? Nah that's a slap in the face. And Deion is already working on getting Ed Reed and Ray Louis Head coaching jobs. |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 13, 2021 20:29:38 GMT -5
There are a lot variables but if the celebrity coaches are successful HBCU’s win. Look at how all our best athletes got to PWI’s that would not have looked at them in years past but those schools exploited all of our best athletes and pushed us to second tier from an athletic standpoint.
We can do the same just maybe / hopefully with these football celebrity coaches!!! Exploit them for the good of our schools !!
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Post by The Professor on Apr 13, 2021 20:54:50 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 13, 2021 21:46:05 GMT -5
looks like it was tsu's intent all along to replace reed with an nfl high profile former player. can't help but think that they saw how popular primetime is for jsu and figured they could do it too. i mean, ray lewis as head coach? hate to say it, but it looks like a "copy cat" hire in my opinion... 247sports.com/Article/Ray-Lewis-drew-consideration-for-Tennessee-State-job-Eddie-George-Miami-Hurricanes-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-164022131/Report: Ray Lewis drew consideration for Tennessee State job
ByJAYLON THOMPSON Apr 11, 8:06 PM
Tennessee State drew headlines by reportedly hiring former NFL veteran Eddie George as the next head football coach. Multiple outlets have reported that George will head back to Nashville, TN where he starred with the Tennessee Titans. Stadium reporter Brett McMurphy was the first to break the news. George starred with the Titans for eight seasons. He rushed for 10,441 yards and 68 touchdowns in his NFL career and made four Pro Bowls. George now looks to lead the Historically Black College and Universities (HBCU) program. However, he was reportedly not the only NFL legend considered. According to Football Scoop, the Tigers also had reported interest in Pro Football Hall of Fame linebacker Ray Lewis. “Per sources, TSU officials also discussed the impending head coaching post with another former NFL great: ex-Ravens linebacker and Hall of Famer Ray Lewis before ultimately opting to go with George,” Football Scoop writer John Brice reported. Lewis would have been an interesting choice. He flirted with the idea of coaching in 2017 after an interview with the Ravens official website. “I've been asked that a lot," Lewis said in that 2017 interview. “A few years out, a few years removed for me – I'm thinking about it a little bit.” At the time, Lewis said that he did not know if he would jump right into the coaching ranks. Still, it is interesting that Tennessee State considered the legendary linebacker for the position. Lewis won two Super Bowls with the Ravens and was a 13-time Pro Bowler. He also won two Associated Press Defensive Player of the Year awards. He certainly has the credentials to lead a program with his vast knowledge. While Lewis reportedly did not get the Tennessee State position, the former Miami Hurricanes standout has the charisma and experience to be a strong coaching candidate. The recent trend of former NFL players heading back to the HBCU ranks began with fellow Hall of Fame legend Deion Sanders coaching at Jackson State. George is reportedly the second NFL star to make the leap at Tennessee State. George is expected to bring former NFL head coaches Hue Jackson and possibly Jeff Fischer on the staff as well. The dynamic NFL coaches will be able to help the former Heisman Memorial Trophy winner adjust in his first coaching role. |
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