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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 13, 2020 15:12:42 GMT -5
What concerns me is that Harry was 3-for-3 from the field yesterday ... and sat for almost the entire second half and overtime.
Defensive limitations aside, how do you not call at least a handful of plays for a guy who is shooting 100 percent?
If you have a potential scoring weapon, why not use it?
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 13, 2020 15:18:03 GMT -5
Hey in 5 of the last 10 seasons we've played below 500 basketball so I'm not too optimistic. I expect us to do better than that but just barely. Just hope to split with NCCU!
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 13, 2020 15:23:17 GMT -5
Maye leads team at 52% field goals made Harry second at 47%. You have Maddox and Filmore over 50% but there shots attempts are very low so hard to factor them in.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 13, 2020 15:36:35 GMT -5
Look, ain't nobody on our team without flaws. If so, they'd be in the NBA. For all the defensive flaws that led to Harry being taken out, that dude Cork had 22 points and 14 rebounds in 30 minutes. Harry only played 12 minutes. He didn't get all of those stats during the only 12 minutes Harry played. Dude was 10 of 12 from the field. He didn't score all 10 FGs on Harry while Filmore or the other bigs caused him to miss the other 2 FGs.
Would I like for Harry to rebound more and be tougher in the paint? Hell yeah. However, you don't take him out and never bring him back in the game. If anything, in overtime, he could've been a huge asset because WCU didn't have a deep bench....I'm being kind - THEY HAD NO BENCH!! Imagine if Harry could've gotten in the game in overtime refreshed. He could've wreaked havoc.
Just to be clear, I'm not the fan club president for any player on this team.....but to not get him in the game for an extended portion of the 2nd half and OT just didn't make sense to me. And to be clear, I'm not saying he had to play all 25 minutes of the 2nd half and OT....however, his time was handled poorly.
And to show how fair I'm being - yesterday was the best I've ever seen Webster Filmore play. He added to the energy and toughness on the floor. Kudos to him. He only played 15 minutes though (out of a total of 45). Harry could've (and should've) gotten more time yesterday.
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Dec 13, 2020 15:50:17 GMT -5
Lyons play was poor yesterday.
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Post by lobengula on Dec 13, 2020 16:46:38 GMT -5
Pommie, What you need to do is call the coach, and have a serious discussion with him. Flat out ask him why the hell Harry got as much minutes as me in the 2nd half. More likely i will buy Harry a ticket to fly home. Even when Web fouls out Harry still sits. Really no point in him being in Greensboro. Not mad at you.
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Post by lobengula on Dec 13, 2020 16:51:20 GMT -5
If Harry doesn't check in now, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME of the game, I am officially off the Coach Jones train. Been off the train long time ago. If I was the AD I find out about Avery Johnson would he be interested in Coaching here. Then I would call Coach Gibbs to see if her heart is till in it and beg her to return for the women. We are going to get a continual spanking out of the MEAC.
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Post by lobengula on Dec 13, 2020 16:59:06 GMT -5
I do think the lack of experience from our assistant coaches is a major issue. Jones is pretty much learning on the job and there is no one on the staff to really help him. Especially when it comes to the big men. During one time out it actually looked like Sam Hunt was drawing up a play. That is a scary sight. Very very Sckary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 17:37:55 GMT -5
Look, ain't nobody on our team without flaws. If so, they'd be in the NBA. For all the defensive flaws that led to Harry being taken out, that dude Cork had 22 points and 14 rebounds in 30 minutes. Harry only played 12 minutes. He didn't get all of those stats during the only 12 minutes Harry played. Dude was 10 of 12 from the field. He didn't score all 10 FGs on Harry while Filmore or the other bigs caused him to miss the other 2 FGs. Would I like for Harry to rebound more and be tougher in the paint? Hell yeah. However, you don't take him out and never bring him back in the game. If anything, in overtime, he could've been a huge asset because WCU didn't have a deep bench....I'm being kind - THEY HAD NO BENCH!! Imagine if Harry could've gotten in the game in overtime refreshed. He could've wreaked havoc. Just to be clear, I'm not the fan club president for any player on this team.....but to not get him in the game for an extended portion of the 2nd half and OT just didn't make sense to me. And to be clear, I'm not saying he had to play all 25 minutes of the 2nd half and OT....however, his time was handled poorly. And to show how fair I'm being - yesterday was the best I've ever seen Webster Filmore play. He added to the energy and toughness on the floor. Kudos to him. He only played 15 minutes though (out of a total of 45). Harry could've (and should've) gotten more time yesterday. Webster started 2 of the 3 games in Champaign.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 13, 2020 17:48:27 GMT -5
I knew that, but this was the first game where I felt he made an impact on the game.
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Post by lenman1 on Dec 13, 2020 17:52:49 GMT -5
This program has to establish an identity in terms of how we build our program and develop players. Jones is a good young coach whose FIRST head coaching job is at a high profile low/mid-major. As enticing as his winning record in the MEAC was last year (with an older experienced team), it was a inexpensive and questionable/risky choice by the AD. I ain't mad at Jones because he was supposed to jump on the opportunity. Does he have the staff with the experience, credibility and pedigree to develop players at this level, or do we simply have a strategy of bringing in older transfers, Juco players who you have for only one or two years. Jones player development vis-a-vis Harry, Lyons, Cleveland, Harris will be an example of whether this coach can really make players better. How sitting Harris and Morrice for an entire half and OT, just does not make since to me, especially when your squad was playing tired the last 7=8 minutes of the game. Even with this heavy reliance on older players, we are still 2-7 and the team has not not gotten better. The good mid-majors in basketball, like the Butler's, Davidson's, Richmond's traditionally have players that are in their system for 4 years. The Kam Langley model should be an example of how a player can develop and get better if they are given the opportunity to play, make mistakes and develop their game (without worrying about being pulled after every mistake).
If Harry is not being physical enough and giving up low post position too easy, then when you pull him tell and show him. But don't be punitive and pull him whenever he fouls, you're sending mixed messages and that's bad coaching. I would play Harry at the 4 more, where we can capitalize on his mid-range and 3 point game. He is also a better off the ball shot blocker than primary defender.
If Blake Harris is out of control and doing too much, tell him when you pull him, make him run your sets. People forget Blake has not played a lot of in game ball over the last couple of years. He will be fine at the point next year.
Now you have an additional problem with the extra year of Covid eligibility, who do you bring back and who do you cut. Do you bring back Kam, Kwe, Tyler Jones, Tyler Maye, all who will take even more time from our younger guys. How Jones handles this and the 4-star kid, will be critical to whether he can make this program a serious mid-major. I hope we let these players move on and commit to developing our younger players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 18:05:39 GMT -5
This program has to establish an identity in terms of how we build our program and develop players. Jones is a good young coach whose FIRST head coaching job is at a high profile low/mid-major. As enticing as his winning record in the MEAC was last year (with an older experienced team), it was a inexpensive and questionable/risky choice by the AD. I ain't mad at Jones because he was supposed to jump on the opportunity. Does he have the staff with the experience, credibility and pedigree to develop players at this level, or do we simply have a strategy of bringing in older transfers, Juco players who you have for only one or two years. Jones player development vis-a-vis Harry, Lyons, Cleveland, Harris will be an example of whether this coach can really make players better. How sitting Harris and Morrice for an entire half and OT, just does not make since to me, especially when your squad was playing tired the last 7=8 minutes of the game. Even with this heavy reliance on older players, we are still 2-7 and the team has not not gotten better. The good mid-majors in basketball, like the Butler's, Davidson's, Richmond's traditionally have players that are in their system for 4 years. The Kam Langley model should be an example of how a player can develop and get better if they are given the opportunity to play, make mistakes and develop their game (without worrying about being pulled after every mistake). If Harry is not being physical enough and giving up low post position too easy, then when you pull him tell and show him. But don't be punitive and pull him whenever he fouls, you're sending mixed messages and that's bad coaching. I would play Harry at the 4 more, where we can capitalize on his mid-range and 3 point game. He is also a better off the ball shot blocker than primary defender. If Blake Harris is out of control and doing too much, tell him when you pull him, make him run your sets. People forget Blake has not played a lot of in game ball over the last couple of years. He will be fine at the point next year. Now you have an additional problem with the extra year of Covid eligibility, who do you bring back and who do you cut. Do you bring back Kam, Kwe, Tyler Jones, Tyler Maye, all who will take even more time from our younger guys. How Jones handles this and the 4-star kid, will be critical to whether he can make this program a serious mid-major. I hope we let these players move on and commit to developing our younger players. It’s really difficult to do what you’re saying with a basketball budget less than $2 million in the middle of a pandemic.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 13, 2020 18:19:13 GMT -5
This program has to establish an identity in terms of how we build our program and develop players. Jones is a good young coach whose FIRST head coaching job is at a high profile low/mid-major. As enticing as his winning record in the MEAC was last year (with an older experienced team), it was a inexpensive and questionable/risky choice by the AD. I ain't mad at Jones because he was supposed to jump on the opportunity. Does he have the staff with the experience, credibility and pedigree to develop players at this level, or do we simply have a strategy of bringing in older transfers, Juco players who you have for only one or two years. Jones player development vis-a-vis Harry, Lyons, Cleveland, Harris will be an example of whether this coach can really make players better. How sitting Harris and Morrice for an entire half and OT, just does not make since to me, especially when your squad was playing tired the last 7=8 minutes of the game. Even with this heavy reliance on older players, we are still 2-7 and the team has not not gotten better. The good mid-majors in basketball, like the Butler's, Davidson's, Richmond's traditionally have players that are in their system for 4 years. The Kam Langley model should be an example of how a player can develop and get better if they are given the opportunity to play, make mistakes and develop their game (without worrying about being pulled after every mistake). If Harry is not being physical enough and giving up low post position too easy, then when you pull him tell and show him. But don't be punitive and pull him whenever he fouls, you're sending mixed messages and that's bad coaching. I would play Harry at the 4 more, where we can capitalize on his mid-range and 3 point game. He is also a better off the ball shot blocker than primary defender. If Blake Harris is out of control and doing too much, tell him when you pull him, make him run your sets. People forget Blake has not played a lot of in game ball over the last couple of years. He will be fine at the point next year. Now you have an additional problem with the extra year of Covid eligibility, who do you bring back and who do you cut. Do you bring back Kam, Kwe, Tyler Jones, Tyler Maye, all who will take even more time from our younger guys. How Jones handles this and the 4-star kid, will be critical to whether he can make this program a serious mid-major. I hope we let these players move on and commit to developing our younger players. It’s really difficult to do what you’re saying with a basketball budget less than $2 million in the middle of a pandemic. It costs money to move Harry to the 4? It costs money to provide in game feedback?
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Post by saabman on Dec 13, 2020 19:07:47 GMT -5
This program has to establish an identity in terms of how we build our program and develop players. Jones is a good young coach whose FIRST head coaching job is at a high profile low/mid-major. As enticing as his winning record in the MEAC was last year (with an older experienced team), it was a inexpensive and questionable/risky choice by the AD. I ain't mad at Jones because he was supposed to jump on the opportunity. Does he have the staff with the experience, credibility and pedigree to develop players at this level, or do we simply have a strategy of bringing in older transfers, Juco players who you have for only one or two years. Jones player development vis-a-vis Harry, Lyons, Cleveland, Harris will be an example of whether this coach can really make players better. How sitting Harris and Morrice for an entire half and OT, just does not make since to me, especially when your squad was playing tired the last 7=8 minutes of the game. Even with this heavy reliance on older players, we are still 2-7 and the team has not not gotten better. The good mid-majors in basketball, like the Butler's, Davidson's, Richmond's traditionally have players that are in their system for 4 years. The Kam Langley model should be an example of how a player can develop and get better if they are given the opportunity to play, make mistakes and develop their game (without worrying about being pulled after every mistake). If Harry is not being physical enough and giving up low post position too easy, then when you pull him tell and show him. But don't be punitive and pull him whenever he fouls, you're sending mixed messages and that's bad coaching. I would play Harry at the 4 more, where we can capitalize on his mid-range and 3 point game. He is also a better off the ball shot blocker than primary defender. If Blake Harris is out of control and doing too much, tell him when you pull him, make him run your sets. People forget Blake has not played a lot of in game ball over the last couple of years. He will be fine at the point next year. Now you have an additional problem with the extra year of Covid eligibility, who do you bring back and who do you cut. Do you bring back Kam, Kwe, Tyler Jones, Tyler Maye, all who will take even more time from our younger guys. How Jones handles this and the 4-star kid, will be critical to whether he can make this program a serious mid-major. I hope we let these players move on and commit to developing our younger players. It’s really difficult to do what you’re saying with a basketball budget less than $2 million in the middle of a pandemic. WHAT What are you talking about ; you have to explain how it costs money to move Harry to the 4 and to properly manage and provide feedback to players in real time situations, to develop and coach up the players skill level. Harry and Greer need a coach that cares about their development going forward . Not a coach that is trying to destroy their confidence and run them off . With the hope that things will be better next year . Even with a top 100 player there is a transition period to the college game . Even Maker was getting pushed around at this level by mid major Bigs down in the paint. Be careful with your wishing for coach Jones it may come back and bite you in the a$$ . People need to stop making excuses for Jones's Ineptness he is and exceptional recruiter but as a coach he is not ready for primetime and I was only of his biggest fans until he showed his true colors with player management and overall lack of coaching knowledge of the game in real time. IO BASTA QUESTO ( I'm finished With This )!!!!
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Post by tyball1 on Dec 15, 2020 11:26:57 GMT -5
If Harry doesn't check in now, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME of the game, I am officially off the Coach Jones train. Been off the train long time ago. If I was the AD I find out about Avery Johnson would he be interested in Coaching here. Then I would call Coach Gibbs to see if her heart is till in it and beg her to return for the women. We are going to get a continual spanking out of the MEAC. This is a ridiculous "the sky is falling" post considering all the elements with COVID. Tarrell is this women's basketball program's version of Bill Hayes if you are looking at accomplishments. Pat Bibbs is not coming back and she's made it known. My thing is, if you truly believe we need a coaching change because of some bad losses to go with what he's done, find someone who can do better and will come and coach this team. Simple as that. We can't pay Avery Johnson the money he took to LOSE at Alabama. He'll go back to ESPN first. A "continual spanking" in the MEAC is not what happened to Will Jones, and to be honest, not Tarrell, either. ESPECIALLY with the job they've done with recruiting.
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