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Post by captaggie on Jul 5, 2024 10:01:28 GMT -5
IMO, (to your last question) financing and prioritization (per facility's purpose).
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 5, 2024 18:57:51 GMT -5
This is what you guys fail to comprehend: the financing and prioritization should have already been done.
They said this project was ready to start during the last BOT meeting.
We have a budget of $8.5 million earmarked for this project. That includes a $500K grant we got years ago.
I understand you guys are just throwing any excuse at the wall and trying to see what sticks, but at least come up with some new and logical ones.
There is no mysterious external force preventing A&T from renovating War Memorial Stadium. Our own incompetence is the only thing standing in the way.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 6, 2024 6:53:26 GMT -5
I have a simple question:
If War Memorial was given to UNCG, would it be in this condition?
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Post by B on Jul 6, 2024 8:04:55 GMT -5
This is what you guys fail to comprehend: the financing and prioritization should have already been done. They said this project was ready to start during the last BOT meeting. We have a budget of $8.5 million earmarked for this project. That includes a $500K grant we got years ago. I understand you guys are just throwing any excuse at the wall and trying to see what sticks, but at least come up with some new and logical ones. There is no mysterious external force preventing A&T from renovating War Memorial Stadium. Our own incompetence is the only thing standing in the way. Is that $8.5 mil cash on hand? Is that what they have in the bank? I'm not trying to make any excuses, but I thought I heard $9 mil has been raised thus far. However, the project cost increased to $20 mil based on the local Fox News report a few years ago and according to a NCA&T Town Hall. I think the original projected cost was $6 mil. I think all this is in an earlier post.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 6, 2024 8:52:55 GMT -5
I have a simple question: If War Memorial was given to UNCG, would it be in this condition? That is another good point. We did not have to invest a ton of capital to purchase this building. The city of Greensboro basically wanted to give us the stadium for pennies on the dollar back in 2015. It took us 7 more years to obtain official ownership due to the same incompetence and lack of urgency that you are witnessing now. This is how War Memorial stadium looked back in 2003:
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 6, 2024 9:20:05 GMT -5
At what point did we know we were getting it? If fact, at what point was there an inkling we might get it?
I ax because imo at that point we should’ve put ourselves in a position to receive it cleanly and begun a fundraising campaign so we wouldn’t be in this position. I’m betting that our “peers” would have.
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Post by saabman on Jul 6, 2024 9:31:24 GMT -5
I have a simple question: If War Memorial was given to UNCG, would it be in this condition? No it would not . Stated this way back in this conversation " To a degree your correct when it comes to the cosmetics of the structure itself..i.e front entrance to the stadium. But the infrastructure inside the stadium can be repaired at any time..i.e bathrooms, concession stands, hallways and locker rooms and seating areas and Press Box, can not only be changed but can be changed to accommodate other operational areas. I was home a few months ago and walk through the stadium with a friend ( who is a judge in Greensboro) of mine through a hole in the back fence that was still there from when we were was kids. There is no reason in my mind that nothing structurally has been done to repair any of those that stadium has., hell not even a Fresh coat of paint had been used from what I saw. But I don't live in Greensboro I just visit on occasion. It gave the appearance to me that not one damn thing has been done in earnest to upgrade that Stadium outside of moving the trash and a few eyesore items. Somebody should have fingers pointed at them but like anything they should be pointed at the head. If the ad is the head then he gets to blame and the ball rolls downhill from there. I really don't care who the blame should be placed on but what eats me up is. We purchased a stadium with historical values but yet we let it sit in total disrepair like an eyesore in the ghetto. "There is no doubt in my mind if UNCG would have purchased this historical Stadium that it would not be up and functional and would be one of the crown jewels in the city of Greensboro. And I don't think a lot of you would disagree with that statement I just made" .
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 7, 2024 9:39:24 GMT -5
At what point did we know we were getting it? If fact, at what point was there an inkling we might get it? I ax because imo at that point we should’ve put ourselves in a position to receive it cleanly and begun a fundraising campaign so we wouldn’t be in this position. I’m betting that our “peers” would have. We definitely knew we were getting it back in 2015. ------ City, NC A&T Reach Tentative Agreement on War Memorial Stadium Transfer By Ed Scannell Greensboro PUBLISHED 5:39 PM ET Mar. 10, 2015GREENSBORO – It appears War Memorial Stadium will soon have a new owner. North Carolina A&T State University has inked a tentative deal with the city to take ownership of the historic landmark.
The agreement is a milestone after more than a decade of talks between the city and North Carolina A&T. It calls for the city to transfer ownership of the stadium and land to A&T and contribute $1.5 million."The $1.5 million that they're allowing on this stadium is in fact the historical preservation of the three arches and the wings on this stadium," said Andrew Perkins, the university’s associate vice chancellor for facilities. Perkins said the city’s contribution wouldn't begin to scratch the surface of what the university would spend to help bring the 89-year-old landmark back to its former glory. "Because when we look at all of our engineering studies there's about a $4 million to $6 million additionally required to get all the backlog and maintenance repair projects that need to be done,” he said. Many of the needed repairs are obvious including broken seats, damaged concrete and peeling paint. And then there's the not-so-obvious. "The interiors where the locker rooms that our team now uses for the students and the coaches actually refurbish those to bring them up to a level of competency so they can use them," said Perkins. He said renovations could get underway in April and take as long as six years to complete. City leaders said the stadium would be in good hands. "This makes all the sense in the world to talk to A&T because this becomes part of that campus experience, and we've got a great tradition there at A&T University," said Chris Wilson, assistant city manager. As for A&T, Perkins said the stadium would figure greatly in Aggie Pride.
“It's a legacy for our university to be able to assume the responsibilities for this iconic structure," he said.Perkins and Wilson said the city and the university would work over the next few weeks to finalize details of the tentative agreement. The deal requires approval by the university board of trustees and the city council. The two will take up the agreement at meetings in April. spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/news/2015/03/10/city--nc-a-t-reach-tentative-agreement-on-war-memorial-stadium-transfer
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 7, 2024 9:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jul 7, 2024 10:26:06 GMT -5
I have a simple question: If War Memorial was given to UNCG, would it be in this condition? If it was given to UNCG, corporate donors would be lining up down Market Street with checkbooks out.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 7, 2024 11:07:35 GMT -5
I agree, because somebody inside the UNCG athletic department would be reaching out to those corporate donors.
Ever since Carl Hairston left 3 years ago we apparently made the decision that this role was no longer important.
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Post by saabman on Jul 7, 2024 11:49:13 GMT -5
I have a simple question: If War Memorial was given to UNCG, would it be in this condition? If it was given to UNCG, corporate donors would be lining up down Market Street with checkbooks out. Not only that 1969 it's about Optics. Like it or not the Optics of not only Memorial Stadium Now That A&T owns it, but Trust AKA Aggie Stadium represent the overall Optics of the institutions campus itself. If you want corporate donors to open their checkbook you have to do the little things to show them that you are putting the effort into improve those two structures. By little things I mean painting The Rusted bleachers removing unnecessary debris and trash, upkeep of the grass inside and outside of the stadium things that could be handled by the maintenance department of your Institution. If corporate owners see that you are doing the necessary little things that you can control they will be more willing to open their checkbooks. But if you just leave your property and disarray and not doing the little things, why would a corporate donor want to assist you if you don't want to help yourself.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 7, 2024 11:53:15 GMT -5
But if you just leave your property and disarray and not doing the little things, why would a corporate donor want to assist you if you don't want to help yourself. Earl Hilton doesn't even want to put up tarp in War Memorial to hide the broken seats. I even provided a link to order the tarp and get a 20 percent discount.
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Post by saabman on Jul 7, 2024 12:58:26 GMT -5
But if you just leave your property and disarray and not doing the little things, why would a corporate donor want to assist you if you don't want to help yourself. Earl Hilton doesn't even want to put up tarp in War Memorial to hide the broken seats. I even provided a link to order the tarp and get a 20 percent discount. Thriller I honestly think it is a little deeper than just Earl Hilton. I think Chancellor Martin has a hand in this also because as we all know if Martin wanted it it would have been done by now.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 7, 2024 13:26:22 GMT -5
You figure if Martin had been a baseball player at T….
But the fact that the transfer took place after a decade of talks is very problematic for me. Basically the school had an inkling we’d get the place about 20 years ago. Let that sink in.
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