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Post by DOOMS on Jun 23, 2020 8:53:55 GMT -5
That championship run was only one year. But it provided an example of what an HBCU athletic department could look and feel like when you are competing at highest levels of D2. The entire SWAC conference would immediately be a powerhouse at the D2 level. Nah. 1. When FCS was created it was automatically assumed the SWAC would immediately be a powerhouse at the d-1 level. Never so much as won a playoff game. The SWAC could screw up a wet dream. 2. They ain't finna let go of that "one shining moment" commercial and that NCAA d-1 money. 3. You talking logically. They aren't going to run their athletic departments logically. At this point they can maintain all the benefits of being d-1 and do so with a d-2 budget. If they go to d-2 there will be no more March Madness and no more football money games. Those are huge chunks of their athletic budgets. They stand to lose more if they lose that than they'd gain by dropping to d-2 and lessening expenses. 4. If they drop to d-2 half the schools or more wouldn't agree and would leave the conference altogether. But to hell with them, the golden era of A&T football has just taken a dramatic turn. Between covid threatening this season altogether and next year being our first season in a brand new conference, what do we have to look forward to? I'm not really looking forward to Kennesaw State AT ALL. I also think with the bullseye on our heads we'll have to bring our best every week. Another question is who'll be eligible and still playing for us two years from now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 9:11:02 GMT -5
That championship run was only one year. But it provided an example of what an HBCU athletic department could look and feel like when you are competing at highest levels of D2. The entire SWAC conference would immediately be a powerhouse at the D2 level. You can’t forget that schools would cut expenses too. That’s why what WSSU did was just a 1 time thing and not sustainable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 9:12:42 GMT -5
That championship run was only one year. But it provided an example of what an HBCU athletic department could look and feel like when you are competing at highest levels of D2. The entire SWAC conference would immediately be a powerhouse at the D2 level. Nah. 1. When FCS was created it was automatically assumed the SWAC would immediately be a powerhouse at the d-1 level. Never so much as won a playoff game. The SWAC could screw up a wet dream. 2. They ain't finna let go of that "one shining moment" commercial and that NCAA d-1 money. 3. You talking logically. They aren't going to run their athletic departments logically. At this point they can maintain all the benefits of being d-1 and do so with a d-2 budget. If they go to d-2 there will be no more March Madness and no more football money games. Those are huge chunks of their athletic budgets. They stand to lose more if they lose that than they'd gain by dropping to d-2 and lessening expenses. 4. If they drop to d-2 half the schools or more wouldn't agree and would leave the conference altogether. But to hell with them, the golden era of A&T football has just taken a dramatic turn. Between covid threatening this season altogether and next year being our first season in a brand new conference, what do we have to look forward to? I'm not really looking forward to Kennesaw State AT ALL. I also think with the bullseye on our heads we'll have to bring our best every week. Another question is who'll be eligible and still playing for us two years from now? On your last point, I am suspecting that we’ll bring in a higher level or recruit that we could never consistently bring in as members of the MEAC. That’ll especially be true for basketball.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jun 23, 2020 9:15:04 GMT -5
That's why the entire conference will move en masse, to pool resources. Also you can reduce some expenses, but you wouldn't have the give back your current facilities or infrastructure. That alone will give the SWAC a leg up on the majority of D2 programs right now.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jun 23, 2020 9:32:46 GMT -5
We're about to leave our Golden Era (for football). Folks will soon see: 1) Big South football, even if we win, does not enhance our football profile. 2) Competing for an FCS championship will not be as exciting and eye-catching as people perceive. A&T is no different than the other 24 teams that vie for the FCS title. I don't see the 23 games being played to determine the FCS champion magically becoming more exciting to the nation because we're now in them. The FCS playoffs remain a unprofitable, unexciting process. 3) We will continue to unlikely bid for home playoff games because the first round usually falls around Thanksgiving, and the AD will be hesitant to purchase a game we may not be able to recoup. 4) A&T moving to the BS will likely cause the Celebration Bowl to become extinct. The Aggie brand was momentous in making the bowl and our profile eons better.
I understand all the flaws the MEAC had.....I understand why we are moving to the Big South.....I just don't think people truly understand how, despite the maelstrom of swirling problems the MEAC has, we thrived within it. This doesn't happen often.....when it does, you don't jump ship unless it's absolutely necessary. It wasn't absolutely necessary for us to leave the MEAC. Factor in FAMU and BCU leaving, that's even less travelling our teams have to worry about.
When things are going this good, you ride the isht out......all the way to the end. Do you keep the Big South or A-Sun on speed dial --- WITHOUT A DOUBT (I'm not saying be ignorant). The MEAC is set up for us to DOMINATE and always be in the discussion for MEAC championships and national competitions (ie. The Big Dance).
We don't realize how good we got it......but we will, 5 years later, after we're clearly out of the Golden Age (which is the term I coined a few years ago).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 10:24:29 GMT -5
We're about to leave our Golden Era (for football). Folks will soon see: 1) Big South football, even if we win, does not enhance our football profile. This is your opinion and I can't fault you for it. However, have you looked at the rankings for MEAC teams compared to Big South teams over the past 5 - 7 years? The Big South has had at least 1 team ranked top 10 in many human and computer polls while the MEAC struggled for top 25 rankings.2) Competing for an FCS championship will not be as exciting and eye-catching as people perceive. A&T is no different than the other 24 teams that vie for the FCS title. I don't see the 23 games being played to determine the FCS champion magically becoming more exciting to the nation because we're now in them. The FCS playoffs remain an unprofitable, unexciting process. Can't fault you for how you feel here as well. However, I personally do not believe our coaching staff won't continue to win and seek out the best players they can find. Hence why we have over 60 offers floating out there via Twitter alone.3) We will continue to unlikely bid for home playoff games because the first round usually falls around Thanksgiving, and the AD will be hesitant to purchase a game we may not be able to recoup. The goal here will be to garner a top-8 seed, which is something the Big South Champ has been able to do a few times, avoiding Thanksgiving Weekend games. 4) A&T moving to the BS will likely cause the Celebration Bowl to become extinct. The Aggie brand was momentous in making the bowl and our profile eons better. Stay tuned on this... You might be surprised.I understand all the flaws the MEAC had.....I understand why we are moving to the Big South.....I just don't think people truly understand how, despite the maelstrom of swirling problems the MEAC has, we thrived within it. This doesn't happen often.....when it does, you don't jump ship unless it's absolutely necessary. It wasn't absolutely necessary for us to leave the MEAC. Factor in FAMU and BCU leaving, that's even less travelling our teams have to worry about. When things are going this good, you ride the isht out......all the way to the end. Do you keep the Big South or A-Sun on speed dial --- WITHOUT A DOUBT (I'm not saying be ignorant). The MEAC is set up for us to DOMINATE and always be in the discussion for MEAC championships and national competitions (ie. The Big Dance). We don't realize how good we got it......but we will, 5 years later, after we're clearly out of the Golden Age (which is the term I coined a few years ago). I strongly disagree with you that the MEAC wasn't a dumpster fire that formed from a failed experiment 50 years ago. The whole thing just wasn't viable without a strong TV deal that we believed we could've received after making the transition to Division 1 ball back in the late 70's and early 80's. Add in a constant rotation of presidents and AD's to schools with increasing travel costs and other expenses, it's a surprise the conference is lasting as long as it is. I'd argue that we succeeded in multiple sports in spite of the conference and we received little help to do so. At least in the Big South, we'll get more conference support to help us maintain our level of success.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jun 23, 2020 10:40:37 GMT -5
We're about to leave our Golden Era (for football). Folks will soon see: 1) Big South football, even if we win, does not enhance our football profile. This is your opinion and I can't fault you for it. However, have you looked at the rankings for MEAC teams compared to Big South teams over the past 5 - 7 years? The Big South has had at least 1 team ranked top 10 in many human and computer polls while the MEAC struggled for top 25 rankings.
But how does that equate to enhancing OUR football profile? We're consistently in the top 20......you are erroneously lumping MEAC football and Aggie football together. I'm talking AGGIE FOOTBALL.....NOT MEAC football.2) Competing for an FCS championship will not be as exciting and eye-catching as people perceive. A&T is no different than the other 24 teams that vie for the FCS title. I don't see the 23 games being played to determine the FCS champion magically becoming more exciting to the nation because we're now in them. The FCS playoffs remain an unprofitable, unexciting process. Can't fault you for how you feel here as well. However, I personally do not believe our coaching staff won't continue to win and seek out the best players they can find. Hence why we have over 60 offers floating out there via Twitter alone......ok 3) We will continue to unlikely bid for home playoff games because the first round usually falls around Thanksgiving, and the AD will be hesitant to purchase a game we may not be able to recoup. The goal here will be to garner a top-8 seed, which is something the Big South Champ has been able to do a few times, avoiding Thanksgiving Weekend games.
....let's say it's the week after Thanksgiving; will Aggie Stadium have over 10,000 folks to watch a playoff game in likely 40-degree weather against a team that may be good, but has no cache to their name (like most FCS schools)? 4) A&T moving to the BS will likely cause the Celebration Bowl to become extinct. The Aggie brand was momentous in making the bowl and our profile eons better. Stay tuned on this... You might be surprised.
......I've already heard what you've had to say about what the CB may allow to happen.I understand all the flaws the MEAC had.....I understand why we are moving to the Big South.....I just don't think people truly understand how, despite the maelstrom of swirling problems the MEAC has, we thrived within it. This doesn't happen often.....when it does, you don't jump ship unless it's absolutely necessary. It wasn't absolutely necessary for us to leave the MEAC. Factor in FAMU and BCU leaving, that's even less travelling our teams have to worry about. When things are going this good, you ride the isht out......all the way to the end. Do you keep the Big South or A-Sun on speed dial --- WITHOUT A DOUBT (I'm not saying be ignorant). The MEAC is set up for us to DOMINATE and always be in the discussion for MEAC championships and national competitions (ie. The Big Dance). We don't realize how good we got it......but we will, 5 years later, after we're clearly out of the Golden Age (which is the term I coined a few years ago). I strongly disagree with you that the MEAC wasn't a dumpster fire that formed from a failed experiment 50 years ago. The whole thing just wasn't viable without a strong TV deal that we believed we could've received after making the transition to Division 1 ball back in the late 70's and early 80's. Add in a constant rotation of presidents and AD's to schools with increasing travel costs and other expenses, it's a surprise the conference lasting as long as it is. I'd argue that we succeeded in multiple sports in spite of the conference and we received little help to do so. At least in the Big South, we'll get more conference support to help us maintain our level of success......We need AGGIE SUPPORT to maintain/increase our level of support. The Big South is not going to go out of its way to make us successful, relative to the rest of the schools in the conference.....particularly those schools whom have been in the conference for 3+ decades. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by a conference helping an individual school be successful. I really don't understand what you are trying to say here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 10:50:39 GMT -5
Examples of what a Conference can do to help teams win:
1. Maximize corporate sponsorship deals and conference revenue for teams. 2. Provide adequate scheduling so that kids aren't missing too many classes. 3. Be flexible regarding the hosting of conference championships. 4. Provide rules to influence out of conference schedule as to not negatively hurt conference teams in computer rankings (like limiting scheduling of Division 2 teams or capping the number of "money" games schools play in basketball).
This is just a general example of what things a conference can perform to help us succeed.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jun 23, 2020 10:55:42 GMT -5
To WCA and anyone else, I respect you guys opinion. We disagree on the move and its perceived benefits. Maybe you'll end up being right and me wrong. Maybe it will be the other way. Time will tell....my support for Aggie athletics won't change....
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 23, 2020 11:01:10 GMT -5
my support for Aggie athletics won't change.... and that's the big key. Especially with the level of support you've provided over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 11:04:35 GMT -5
To WCA and anyone else, I respect you guys opinion. We disagree on the move and its perceived benefits. Maybe you'll end up being right and me wrong. Maybe it will be the other way. Time will tell....my support for Aggie athletics won't change.... Don’t get it twisted. I respect your support of A&T Athletics. We’ll definitely need it. Let’s face it; the move to the Big South is risky and we will deal with new challenges. We’ll need all hands on deck to succeed. But, we’ll also have new opportunities to things that unfortunately, we never had access to in the MEAC.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jun 23, 2020 11:22:18 GMT -5
Just because something is new doesn't necessarily make it BETTER. Again, time will tell......in 5 years, we need to be honest and objective about where we stand. I've said this before and it needs to be repeated. It's not about me (or any other poster) being right.....it's about A&T getting it right and being better. If the BS ends up doing that (and proving me to be 100% wrong in the process)....THAT'S A NET POSITIVE.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 11:29:27 GMT -5
Just because something is new doesn't necessarily make it BETTER. Again, time will tell......in 5 years, we need to be honest and objective about where we stand. I've said this before and it needs to be repeated. It's not about me (or any other poster) being right.....it's about A&T getting it right and being better. If the BS ends up doing that (and proving me to be 100% wrong in the process)....THAT'S A NET POSITIVE. Agreed!
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 23, 2020 12:10:57 GMT -5
The folks in charge are constantly assessing where we are and making informed decisions. We're in good hands until they move on.
If somebody with a different agenda comes in behind them, party over.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jun 23, 2020 12:18:28 GMT -5
The folks in charge are constantly assessing where we are and making informed decisions. We're in good hands until they move on. If somebody with a different agenda comes in behind them, party over. Not necessarily. If they are doing their jobs right, they will leave a infrastructure in place that can still thrive without them.
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