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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 17, 2012 12:00:13 GMT -5
We were never the draw that some people have in their heads that we were. That's the problem. I beg to differ, we have always been a major draw, FOOTBALL and BASKETBALL, we were always in the Top 10 in FCS Football Attendance I'm not necessarily talking about overall FCS. I was speaking of how some think we have drawn way more than what we actually did. My point was some people act like we've pulled in App and Montana numbers in the past and we just have not. If not for an an always inflated homecoming number we would not be that great at all. What I look for in a great attendance year for A&T is the average attendance of the non-homecoming games. Get those games up toward 17K and we have a winner. It's the same situation where people say Corbett was ALWAYS a madhouse back in the day. Not really true. It was a mad house on rivalry night. Other games were just "OK". I wouldn't say this stuff if I wasn't there and witness it first hand.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2012 12:47:04 GMT -5
nobody that i'm aware of has ever stated that we've pulled in app and montana type numbers. i know i've personally stated that our attendance figures were much better back in the day than they are today and that's true. but nobody ever said we soldout just about every game.
the point some of us tried to make regarding attendance was that we'd never had a home game against a team like howard with less than 9k folks there as we did 2 years ago. heck, barring bad weather, we rarely if ever had home games with less than 10k in attendance period, regardless to who we played. and its also true that not too many years ago (probably before they raised homecoming ticket prices), our homecoming games were "automatic" sellouts every year and you couldn't buy a game ticket on homecoming day. not like that anymore, that's for sure.
monster, i think sometimes you "misinterpret" what folk are trying to say because i'm sure no one on this board has ever alleged that a&t put up app state like numbers in attendance...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 17, 2012 13:39:02 GMT -5
nobody that i'm aware of has ever stated that we've pulled in app and montana type numbers. i know i've personally stated that our attendance figures were much better back in the day than they are today and that's true. but nobody ever said we soldout just about every game. the point some of us tried to make regarding attendance was that we'd never had a home game against a team like howard with less than 9k folks there as we did 2 years ago. heck, barring bad weather, we rarely if ever had home games with less than 10k in attendance period, regardless to who we played. and its also true that not too many years ago (probably before they raised homecoming ticket prices), our homecoming games were "automatic" sellouts every year and you couldn't buy a game ticket on homecoming day. not like that anymore, that's for sure. monster, i think sometimes you "misinterpret" what folk are trying to say because i'm sure no one on this board has ever alleged that a&t put up app state like numbers in attendance... I can only go off what whomever types. I wasn't speaking of you. I know what you mean most of the time. You just like to say it over and over again, LOL. What some consider as success I dont necessarily think so. I think we always need to reinvent ourselves and push for better than what A&T use to be in the 80s and 90s. Plan for bigger and better and not strive to just get back to where we were. You might say "well we all want that".... Sure, but that's not what comes out in what people say, do, or type. Some people think I'm an a$$ cause I'm always the guy that after you make $100 I say "well that very good. Lets make $120 next time". Especially if I see the room for improvement. That's just me. You either respect me for it or you call me an a$$ behind my back. Either way, it gets done. Improve or be left behind.
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 17, 2012 17:18:00 GMT -5
Not trying to be agrumentative but I heard the "we aint ready to compete w/dem dirty rams" from two people who would know and are in postion to make the call.
I know eerrrrrone will not agree w/what I am saying but I would never say it if it was not told to me.
I'm not calling no names but believe what you want.
Remember I'm w/A&T and want the best!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2012 17:48:13 GMT -5
Not trying to be agrumentative but I heard the "we aint ready to compete w/dem dirty rams" from two people who would know and are in postion to make the call. I know eerrrrrone will not agree w/what I am saying but I would never say it if it was not told to me. I'm not calling no names but believe what you want. Remember I'm w/A&T and want the best! 2ru, i don't even see why any aggie should be "scurd" to play wssu. what do we have to lose? we're rebuilding and our program has been down over an extended period of time. if we loss to them, nobody would consider that an upset. its not far fetched for a #3 nationally ranked d2 team to beat a "no ranked" fcs team that hasn't had a winning record since '03 from one of the weakest conferences at the fcs level. everybody would consider us the "underdog". so i don't get it. why should any aggie be "scurd" to play wssu? we actually have very little to lose. besides, i've already gone on record to say we'd beat wssu if we played them next season in aggie stadium and i'll still stand by that 100%. i mean, wssu was really good this past season. but ain't nobody gone convince me that they were better than bcu. or any of the top 3 programs (nsu, bcu, scsu) in the meac. the way i see it, if we can beat bcu and come within 8 points of beating everybody in the meac, why shouldn't we be able to beat wssu? as i've stated previously, i'd luv to play the rams in aggie stadium. wouldn't want to play 'em in winston, though i wouldn't back down from that either. but i like our chances if we played them in greensboro...
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 17, 2012 18:40:47 GMT -5
school.....I know, I know---remember there is no one who would like to see it better than me.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Jan 18, 2012 10:12:43 GMT -5
Every legitimate reason why we should play WSSU has been stated already. I think those that disagree really don't understand all the elements at play in College Football. A WSSU rivalry is good for both schools in many ways and can also be a draw for potential students and sponsorship dollars. Not to mention the heightened levels of play by both teams will field probably one of the best games of the year for either campus.
We have a chance to redefine what a HBCU Classic/Rivalry is in the 21st Century. When you look at some of the big matches across the south A&T vs. WSSU fits the bill. With correct marketing and forward thinking administration it could really be a movie caliber match-up.
In the next 5 yeas WSSU and A&T will be the top dawgs of their conferences having them go head to head every year could create more possibilities than it would stifle.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 18, 2012 10:39:04 GMT -5
Not trying to be agrumentative but I heard the "we aint ready to compete w/dem dirty rams" from two people who would know and are in postion to make the call. I know eerrrrrone will not agree w/what I am saying but I would never say it if it was not told to me. I'm not calling no names but believe what you want. Remember I'm w/A&T and want the best! Broadway has already gone on record as saying he'd rather schedule a guarantee game in Aggie Stadium for the first game. Considering we can only schedule one D-II game per year then this debate is moot. There's no way he can schedule a guarantee game and play WSSU. With this reality I doubt we'll see WSSU back on the schedule as long as Broadway is the coach unless the MEAC changes it's policy on the number of D-II games that can be played.
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Jan 18, 2012 10:56:08 GMT -5
Not trying to be agrumentative but I heard the "we aint ready to compete w/dem dirty rams" from two people who would know and are in postion to make the call. I know eerrrrrone will not agree w/what I am saying but I would never say it if it was not told to me. I'm not calling no names but believe what you want. Remember I'm w/A&T and want the best! Broadway has already gone on record as saying he'd rather schedule a guarantee game in Aggie Stadium for the first game. Considering we can only schedule one D-II game per year then this debate is moot. There's no way he can schedule a guarantee game and play WSSU. Thanks Decks, that's what I heard a year ago when this same subject came about in reference to playing WSSU, NOT GOING HAPPEN! AGGIE PRIDE!
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 18, 2012 11:52:41 GMT -5
I'm confused a bit...what you mean by playing a guaranteed game in Aggie Stadium? When they mention game guarantees, I always thought of us going on the road to play a PWC for $$$...unless we are willing to pay a D2 team to come play us in Aggie Stadium. If we are willing to consider paying a D2 team to come to Aggie Stadium, then why would WSSU be out of the question? If I'm not mistaken, they fit the criteria.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 18, 2012 12:02:49 GMT -5
I'm confused a bit...what you mean by playing a guaranteed game in Aggie Stadium? When they mention game guarantees, I always thought of us going on the road to play a PWC for $$$...unless we are willing to pay a D2 team to come play us in Aggie Stadium. If we are willing to consider paying a D2 team to come to Aggie Stadium, then why would WSSU be out of the question? If I'm not mistaken, they fit the criteria. That's what the debate is about. They do fit. Whether WSSU will play "lil brother" and take the type of payout that A&T is willing to fork over is the question? They probably wont come for the amount we payed VUL and JCSU(No one is forthcoming with how much that amount was exactly). The rumor is that Hayes is insisting on a Home and Home and we wont budge on the price nor agree to a Home and Home. Again, that's the RUMOR. So unless someone blinks we wont be playing. There is a MEAC rule that you are only allowed one Div2 opponent, so if another CIAA team steps up to take this "pay day" WSSU will be out anyway. The better terminology is that Broadway prefers a "cupcake" Div2 team in week one. I wouldnt be suprised to see Edward Waters on the schedule in years to come.
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 18, 2012 12:18:28 GMT -5
I definitely would NOT be interested in a home and home series even though there would be no home-field advantage for them. We'd have just as many fans as they would have. It doesn't seem that Hayes has the leverage to really demand what he is. They stand to gain by playing us for a guaranteed amount. But, I wouldn't agree to pay them anything over $15,000. If he wants to piss on that then, let him. He's hurting himself as well.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 18, 2012 12:48:37 GMT -5
I'm confused a bit...what you mean by playing a guaranteed game in Aggie Stadium? When they mention game guarantees, I always thought of us going on the road to play a PWC for $$$...unless we are willing to pay a D2 team to come play us in Aggie Stadium. If we are willing to consider paying a D2 team to come to Aggie Stadium, then why would WSSU be out of the question? If I'm not mistaken, they fit the criteria. I think the terminology Broadway used was "tuneup game" or cupcake in Aggie Monsters description. WSSU hardly fits that profile. We do pay teams such as VUL, JC Smith and Livingstone a small guarantee to come in for a supposed beatdown. Anyways if Broadway plays his tuneup game vs. a D-II then we can't play WSSU unless the MEAC amends their rule. If he schedules WSSU then he can't get the tuneup games he so desires.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 18, 2012 13:11:09 GMT -5
i agreed with the "tuneup game" philosophy last year. but that was because we had a new staff who arrived late and didn't bring in an official recruiting class. i felt we needed time for our staff and players to learn each other and their new schemes, and that we needed to play someone who we could afford to make mistakes against without jeopardizing the outcome of the game. also, i felt it was important to get an opening day win because it would eliminate any pressure to break a losing streak that dated back from the previous year.
but to me, this year is different. our staff and players now know each other quite well after a full season under their belts. we closed last season with a win, so there's no losing streak to break. we don't have to learn new schemes and by now, we should be quite comfortable running them. the vast majority of our starters return and we'll have our very first official recruiting class under broadway this year.
so i'm singing a different tune this year because of the reasons i mentioned above. nobody wants to "risk" losing their season opening game. but because of the rivalry as well as the financial benefits, i'd prefer that we play wssu this year. wouldn't have said that last year and wouldn't play them "this year" in winston.
my only desire as far as playing winston goes, is that we don't accept 50/50 terms and the first game must be in greensboro. i'd even accept going to winston in year 2 of an agreement but the terms would have to financially benefit us...
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Post by DECKS on Jan 18, 2012 14:59:49 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of tuneup games. In fact I hate them; however we wanted a proven coach such as Broadway and if this is the way he likes to schedule then I'm good with it. Unfortunately WSSU may be the casualty of hiring a coach like him. As fans, we can't always get everything we want.
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