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Post by bigpeete1 on Jan 16, 2012 18:41:05 GMT -5
DECKS YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD BUSINESS MIND BUT A&T HAS BEEN DOWN FOR SO LONG THAT THEY ARE NOT THE DRAW THEY ONCE WAS. A COUPLE MORE WINNING SEASONS AND A CHAMPIONSHIP WILL BRING US BACK TO THE GLORY DAYS.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 16, 2012 20:18:21 GMT -5
DECKS YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD BUSINESS MIND BUT A&T HAS BEEN DOWN FOR SO LONG THAT THEY ARE NOT THE DRAW THEY ONCE WAS. A COUPLE MORE WINNING SEASONS AND A CHAMPIONSHIP WILL BRING US BACK TO THE GLORY DAYS. We were never the draw that some people have in their heads that we were. That's the problem.
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 16, 2012 21:55:55 GMT -5
Ima call it like I know it is.........One (just one) of the main reasons we will not play WSSU is because the decision-makers are scaarrrred of losing to them again rite now.
Real talk!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 22:11:23 GMT -5
Ima call it like I know it is.........One (just one) of the main reasons we will not play WSSU is because the decision-makers are scaarrrred of losing to them again rite now. Real talk! No they aren't. It is due to the fact that we need the money and playing in Winston every other year does not work towards that goal.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 16, 2012 22:58:55 GMT -5
Ima call it like I know it is.........One (just one) of the main reasons we will not play WSSU is because the decision-makers are scaarrrred of losing to them again rite now. Real talk! Again, some of you guys are thinking emotionally rather than from a practical business perspective. What we should be basing our decision on is proven business models and industry standards. Right now the standard is that FBS schools don't do home and home with FCS schools; FCS schools don't do home and home with D-II's. In almost every situation the FCS pays a guarantee to the D-II school to only play at their stadium. I know some of you would like to think that our rivalry with WSSU is unique but the reality is it's no different than the others out there. I'd love to see us resume our series but not at the cost of giving them an exceptional deal that goes beyond industry standards.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jan 17, 2012 6:39:42 GMT -5
Amen...
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 17, 2012 7:51:22 GMT -5
Family.........I fully understand the business side of why we won't play them
But, as I stated, being reaL... the decision-makers do not want to lose to them rite now either and that also plays into the full equation. I guarantee we will play them again, maybe as soon as 2013.
Hopefully, the business kinks will be worked out and we will be much stronger as a football team.
Also, as I stated, that was just ONE of the reasons we won't play WSSU.
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Post by krazykev on Jan 17, 2012 8:01:00 GMT -5
Family.........I fully understand the business side of why we won't play them But, as I stated, being reaL... the decision-makers do not want to lose to them rite now either and that also plays into the full equation. I guarantee we will play them again, maybe as soon as 2013. Hopefully, the business kinks will be worked out and we will be much stronger as a football team. Also, as I stated, that was just ONE of the reasons we won't play WSSU. This is flat out not true...nobody is scared of Winston. Central is not playing them for the same reason we are not so, are they scared too
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 17, 2012 8:22:56 GMT -5
I dont liken NCCU's reason for not playing WSSU to ours. I dont think neither is scared. NCCU doesn't have a whole lot to gain anyway. That game doesn't turn out overflow crowd in Durham, so it's not the same dilemma for NCCU.
Everyone here will NEVER agree on this so I'll leave it to Hilton, who has ALL the details and figures to choose the best option. Whether it be a home and home, a payout to WSSU, or just never play them again.
If I had every financial detail I could tell you which one is the best, but I dont. By "every detail" I mean, How many PAID tickets were bought to the last WSSU game vs how many PAID tickets were bought for VUL or JCSU(minus the payout.)
Another thing is that we are all looking at this from an A&T prospective. Does anyone here actually no for a fact that Hayes turned down a decent payout to come to Aggie Stadium without a return game? And if so how much? The general rule is you should be offering more than the teams average home attendance.
Decks you talk as if we are against a payout for WSSU to come to us every year. Dont get me wrong. I'm not against a payout if its a fair one. NO reason to be against a payout. I just dont think the game should NOT be played BECAUSE it is good financially regardless of the percentages. Now if we were in a position to not give a damn about how much money WSSU could bring us then I say NEVER play them if they dont want the "standard" check, but right now we are not. People against this game talk as if we average 17K without homecoming inflating the numbers. Maybe we will this year or next year, but we didn't last year and NCCU is away this year.
A "payout" would always be the best option for us, but you dont always get EVERYTHING you want.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2012 10:29:51 GMT -5
so let me get this straight. just because we can't find another opponent that brings in the same revenue, we should accept an "unfair" deal with wssu? so in other words, we should allow wssu to "pimp us" because we'll still make money? monster, obviously you're not a businessman. monster, that's not how business works. if you had negotiations with your neighbor to pay him $10 when you played video games at his house, but he only paid you $8 when he played at your house, would you accept it? c'mon, dude. you wouldn't do it, so why should we? its just business. business is about "leverage". if i can show you that i bring more money to you than you bring to me, then a 50/50 deal is unfair. i'm not suggesting what the split should be. i'm just suggesting that we should get more than 50% of whatever deal is agreed on. i'll leave it to the admins to figure out the details... Unfair? We are the ones trying to rip them. Not the other way around. we can just agree to disagree cause if you think bringing in 11K to play VUL is adding "value" then you'll never see what I'm seeing. Dont forget that some of that 11K is students and season tickets holders. The WSSU game brings in way more then double PAYING fans. Aint that what this is about, paying fans. We also have to pay VUL. NO WAY 2 of those games are equal WSSU in revenue, just no way. And $125-$150 is a fair number. About all we agree on. monster, you just don't get it do you? i tried to break it down in terms you might understand, but you still don't get it. and what do you mean we're the ones trying to rip wssu off? please explain that? and i don't know why you even brought up vul in this discussion. it has nothing to do with negotiating with wssu. we're never gonna play vul again, so why bring them up? man, if i were a businessman, i'd luv doing business with you! you don't care if you get "pimped" as long as you make a profit. i'd just "pimp" you for a living...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 17, 2012 10:44:03 GMT -5
Unfair? We are the ones trying to rip them. Not the other way around. we can just agree to disagree cause if you think bringing in 11K to play VUL is adding "value" then you'll never see what I'm seeing. Dont forget that some of that 11K is students and season tickets holders. The WSSU game brings in way more then double PAYING fans. Aint that what this is about, paying fans. We also have to pay VUL. NO WAY 2 of those games are equal WSSU in revenue, just no way. And $125-$150 is a fair number. About all we agree on. monster, you just don't get it do you? i tried to break it down in terms you might understand, but you still don't get it. and what do you mean we're the ones trying to rip wssu off? please explain that? and i don't know why you even brought up vul in this discussion. it has nothing to do with negotiating with wssu. we're never gonna play vul again, so why bring them up? man, if i were a businessman, i'd luv doing business with you! you don't care if you get "pimped" as long as you make a profit. i'd just "pimp" you for a living... I said we'd never agree. You dont understand my side, I dont understand yours. Neither of us have enough facts to prove the other wrong so I'll just drop it. I'm going off what I think the numbers are. Your going off what you think the numbers are. If we had factual numbers in front of us that showed me that playing someone LIKE VUL or JCSU every year was more profitable then why would I continue to debate? I wouldnt. The best business men in the world let you walk away thinking you pimped them, but they know otherwise. Keeps you happy and coming back for more of your so called "pimping".
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2012 10:48:41 GMT -5
monster, you just don't get it do you? i tried to break it down in terms you might understand, but you still don't get it. and what do you mean we're the ones trying to rip wssu off? please explain that? and i don't know why you even brought up vul in this discussion. it has nothing to do with negotiating with wssu. we're never gonna play vul again, so why bring them up? man, if i were a businessman, i'd luv doing business with you! you don't care if you get "pimped" as long as you make a profit. i'd just "pimp" you for a living... I said we'd never agree. You dont understand my side, I dont understand yours. Neither of us have enough facts to prove the other wrong so I'll just drop it. I'm going off what I think the numbers are. Your going off what you think the numbers are. If we had factual numbers in front of us that showed me that playing someone LIKE VUL or JCSU every year was more profitable then why would I continue to debate? I wouldnt.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 17, 2012 10:59:32 GMT -5
I wish they would separate game day ticket purchasers from student and season ticket holders when they gave attendance numbers.
For example: Total Attendance:14,000 Season ticket entries:1200 Student attendance:2000 Child:800 General Admission:8000 Reserve(Gate buy):2000
Those types of number would tell the whole story. Im sure they know, but being privy to that would clear a lot up for us little people.
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Jan 17, 2012 11:44:31 GMT -5
DECKS YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD BUSINESS MIND BUT A&T HAS BEEN DOWN FOR SO LONG THAT THEY ARE NOT THE DRAW THEY ONCE WAS. A COUPLE MORE WINNING SEASONS AND A CHAMPIONSHIP WILL BRING US BACK TO THE GLORY DAYS. We were never the draw that some people have in their heads that we were. That's the problem. I beg to differ, we have always been a major draw, FOOTBALL and BASKETBALL, we were always in the Top 10 in FCS Football Attendance
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Post by aggiebred09 on Jan 17, 2012 11:50:43 GMT -5
I wish they would separate game day ticket purchasers from student and season ticket holders when they gave attendance numbers. For example: Total Attendance: 14,000Season ticket entries:1200 Student attendance:2000 Child:800 General Admission:8000 Reserve(Gate buy):2000 Those types of number would tell the whole story. Im sure they know, but being privy to that would clear a lot up for us little people. Why isnt it being reported like this and are we satisfied? I cant ever remember seeing any financial statements from Athletics. But im not "in the loop".
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