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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 19, 2011 15:58:41 GMT -5
This is beginning to sound alot like propaganda...what should/could do? And totally dismiss the efforts that athletics is doing. They have hired a high profile coach, which we wanted. They are trying revenue initiatives, which we wanted, but not the game zone. It becomes a matter of, either you are on board or you aren't. No one said we'd all agree on every decision but, you can't get upset if you can see tangible money-making efforts. Have they increased revenue? The jury is still out...I think they normally run the revenue trends annually and not necessarily game by game. It doesn't take much to skew a game by game trend analysis...Hell, rain can skew it. So, you will be able to tell at the end of the season if revenue was increased from the game zone. As far as corporate sponsorships, we are definitely lacking in that area. But, that's no justification for athletics not trying to raise more $$.
I will say, I see your points, oleschool and dooms, but at the end of the day...do we do what we've always done or try something different??
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Post by aggierattler on Oct 19, 2011 16:35:10 GMT -5
I just found out that the Aggie Stadium capacity has been reduced (before the season began) to "about 19,508" seats.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 19, 2011 16:36:48 GMT -5
most of you bdv posters know i don't often agree with dooms. but its okay, he's a cool dude and i respect him. but dog gone it, i agree with him 100% on this topic. while many of us are fast to blame the tailgate "freeloaders" for our lack of finances, only a very few blame the "real culprits", and that's our administration. now, i'm not including dr. martin in this criticism because he basically just got here and i think he's done a good job so far. but them other folks who've virtually made a career in the dowdy building? yep, them! i can count on one hand how many bdv posters have been critical of "the folks in dowdy" as truthseeker would call them. yet, folk are all over the tailgate "freeloaders" as if they're the reason we're athletically broke! we only play about 5 home football games a year. folks, they aren't the problem. if some of us would "redirect" that same energy to the "real culprits", maybe we can make some real progress. with exception of maybe howard, no other meac school has suffered more athletically than we have! none! and at least howard's admins make no qualms about the fact that they're not interested in athletics. but our admins? we've got basketball teams, football teams, and volleyball teams yielding "atrocious" records over the last decade and nobody is saying jack about the "real culprits" as to why that's happened. we're not just talkin' bad teams, we're talkin' near "WINLESS TEAMS"! yes, that's plural with an "s". where else can you find a school as big as ours (or any size for that matter) that has a "1 win" men's basketball team followed by multiple "near winless" teams, 2 completely outright "winless" football teams (that's our two biggest revenue income sports right there), plus multiple "near winless" volleyball teams (we just have 6 players this year), a bunch of "low single digit" win women's basketball teams, all within the last decade? and i won't even get into the woes of our track program. truthseeker has been trying to wake folk up for the longest! folks, we need to open our eyes! its easy to point the finger at tailgate "freeloaders" and say they're the problem. meanwhile, the "real culprits" are getting off scott free! totally deflected the blame to innocent folk. dooms was absolutely right, ya wanna know who the real freeloaders are? how 'bout folk who are making "big bucks" over in dowdy and among other things, are responsible for overseeing our athletic department? yeah, they're the real freeloaders and they're laughing their way straight to the bank. maybe we should put a fence around the dowdy building and the only way anybody can get in is to do their dayum job. maybe we can call it the "do your dayum job zone"...
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Post by Aggie One on Oct 19, 2011 17:15:44 GMT -5
Funny thing is we still have lead the MEAC in basketball attendance except one year when we were second since 2000 during all these horrible .500 years.
Nothing in the actual facts and bottom line numbers about this debate follows any known logic or will any of the financial facts allow for anyone to try to make fit it into a single neat little box to point your finger at.
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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 19, 2011 18:11:36 GMT -5
oleschool...i really do hear ya and your point is well taken. but i disagree with the notion that we are blaming freeloading tailgaters for our athletic financial woes. we understand that problem resides in our administration. but we can no longer wait around for the administration to get it right or wrong while doing nothing...if we do that then we are just as much the problem. again, i say the game zone is not a punishment for those that don't pay. it's a new revenue making initiative that has an effect on the non-paying game day population.
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Post by aggiestats on Oct 19, 2011 18:22:59 GMT -5
According to the A&T register today "Although attendance seemed low, 8,942 tickets were sold which generated $311, 580 that passed the projected $250,090. Last season, only 7,307 homecoming game tickets were sold." I guess that settles the discussion. You can read the article for yourself on the A&T Register website. The article is titled "Aggies break homecoming curse."
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Post by oldschool on Oct 19, 2011 18:25:03 GMT -5
I just found out that the Aggie Stadium capacity has been reduced (before the season began) to "about 19,508" seats. Very good point dude, there were some empty seats but not anywhere near 2000 empty seats . There were pockets of 2 or 3 seats here and there. The seats that were taken out for the pressbox construction and the area right in front of that used by the coaches and press account for the reduction. And while there were empty seats , the area on top in the U section had people standing up , so it appears the stadium was at full capacity.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 19, 2011 20:35:10 GMT -5
According to the A&T register today "Although attendance seemed low, 8,942 tickets were sold which generated $311, 580 that passed the projected $250,090. Last season, only 7,307 homecoming game tickets were sold." I guess that settles the discussion. You can read the article for yourself on the A&T Register website. The article is titled "Aggies break homecoming curse." Good news. i always tried to stress that total attendance doesn't necessarily say how much money we made.Its PAYING customers that make the difference on game day. Current students and season ticket holders are fine, but we need more general admission ticket buys. Looks like it happened. Good job! Now, if we can just increase season ticket buys. One thing at a time I guess, but this is good news.
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 19, 2011 20:45:15 GMT -5
Hard to spin an additional 1,600 tickets sold in what was supposed to be a diminished atmosphere.
Good job Hilton. Stay the course...
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Post by scaggie09 on Oct 20, 2011 6:58:53 GMT -5
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 20, 2011 6:58:58 GMT -5
So it worked, at least for homecoming. That's good to know.
That doesn't decrease my ire about the misuse of the money. We made an additional 61 grand or so, now what are we going to do with it? Is the school going to match it so it can have an actual impact?
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 20, 2011 7:12:03 GMT -5
Alot of pages and another thread ago I'm pretty sure the point was made that it really only works for Homecoming, Central and WSSU. So, it will serve it's purpose. The mis-management of funds is something this new administration will have a better handle on. So far, the decisions they have made have all been sound ones...
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 20, 2011 7:23:22 GMT -5
That's true. I have a ton more belief in this administration than all the previous ones I've known. They've proved me wrong twice, and I'm very thankful for that.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 20, 2011 8:19:53 GMT -5
I think it's to early to say whether the Game Zone worked or didn't work. It may take a few years of data to determine that. What does appear to have worked is the pricing structure of the tickets. Even though we had reduced price student tickets for $20 I now understand why we didn't promote them. It just made better business sense to sell as many tickets at $35 instead of pushing the student tix at a lower price. It looks like Hilton and team really did their homework.
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Post by aggierattler on Oct 20, 2011 8:22:30 GMT -5
That's true. I have a ton more belief in this administration than all the previous ones I've known. They've proved me wrong twice, and I'm very thankful for that. Keep supporting them. Personally, I think that they have a pretty good group up there. Ayantee has a chancellor who is a supporter. FAMU has a president who is a meddler. and is the de facto athletic director.
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