saabman
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Post by saabman on Oct 7, 2011 9:20:13 GMT -5
Receiver screens would allow him to get out in space or even a crossing Rub play could open the receives up.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 7, 2011 9:24:09 GMT -5
with the speed he has, i'd like to see raper get a few carries at running back. mayhew's backups hasn't been very productive so far and raper could provide a change up in terms of running style. and maybe now raper has more confidence after having a big game against morgan last week. i think now might be a good time to get him more touches. i'd also consider bringing him in at the right time for a couple of play action screen passes to get him the ball in open space where he can take advantage of his speed... Wait wait wait, LOL. We've been down this route before haven't we?. No running back for Raper please. Let him shine at WR. I'd rather see Lewis at running back before they put Raper back there again. Maybe this coaching staff can design a running play other than a straight hand-off between the tackles.
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Post by treese on Oct 7, 2011 9:39:22 GMT -5
Wait wait wait, LOL. We've been down this route before haven't we?. No running back for Raper please. Let him shine at WR. I'd rather see Lewis at running back before they put Raper back there again. Maybe this coaching staff can design a running play other than a straight hand-off between the tackles. Aggie fans are funny, all WE need to do is CHEER!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 7, 2011 9:58:42 GMT -5
Wait wait wait, LOL. We've been down this route before haven't we?. No running back for Raper please. Let him shine at WR. I'd rather see Lewis at running back before they put Raper back there again. Maybe this coaching staff can design a running play other than a straight hand-off between the tackles. I'm not going to dispute this cause I dont want to look like I'm ragging on Raper again. I'm definitely not, cause he had a great game. He was put in multiple running back formations previously and none really worked out. Leave that man where he at and find ANOTHER running back. I'm sure the staff knows this. Screens are fine, but do them from the WR spot for Raper. I haven't seen any vision from Raper coming out the backfield from any spot nor the ability to cut or break tackles in tight quarters. And thats not a knock, but he's just a reciever and thats it. You wouldn't put Jerry Rice at running back would you.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 7, 2011 12:07:43 GMT -5
with the speed he has, i'd like to see raper get a few carries at running back. mayhew's backups hasn't been very productive so far and raper could provide a change up in terms of running style. and maybe now raper has more confidence after having a big game against morgan last week. i think now might be a good time to get him more touches. i'd also consider bringing him in at the right time for a couple of play action screen passes to get him the ball in open space where he can take advantage of his speed... Wait wait wait, LOL. We've been down this route before haven't we?. No running back for Raper please. Let him shine at WR. I'd rather see Lewis at running back before they put Raper back there again. lewis doesn't have the breakaway speed that raper has, though i wouldn't be opposed to putting lewis in the backfield at times either. we're not getting very good production from our backups right now and every offense needs a 1 - 2 punch in the backfield. the days of just having 1 running back carrying the full load for an entire game are ova. however, i don't have a problem with giving lewis some carries too. but when a guy has a hot hand, you've got to milk that cow until there's no milk left. and that's what i'd do with raper. while his confidence is high, feed him the ball. let him continue to play wr, but "occasionally" put him in the backfield and get him the ball in open space. folk are now keying on mayhew and wallace. we've got to find a way to get other players involved so that it takes the pressure off of mayhew and wallace...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 7, 2011 12:18:47 GMT -5
folk are now keying on mayhew and wallace. we've got to find a way to get other players involved so that it takes the pressure off of mayhew and wallace... And they've done that with Raper at WR. They put him at RB and it will be the return of Larry "Paper". I like Larry Raper "The Playmaker" much better. I understand that we want A&T players to be great at everything, but lets be realistic. Most good WRs dont make good running backs. Raper is no different. He likes open space and catching the ball. Let him do it. Again, I know the staff sees this so this convo should really be about the other RBs and not Raper. Time for Drake, Burges, or Coles to step up. If just one of those guys can do it the offense will do well.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 7, 2011 12:25:24 GMT -5
Maybe this coaching staff can design a running play other than a straight hand-off between the tackles. I'm not going to dispute this cause I dont want to look like I'm ragging on Raper again. I'm definitely not, cause he had a great game. He was put in multiple running back formations previously and none really worked out. Leave that man where he at and find ANOTHER running back. I'm sure the staff knows this. Screens are fine, but do them from the WR spot for Raper. I haven't seen any vision from Raper coming out the backfield from any spot nor the ability to cut or break tackles in tight quarters. And thats not a knock, but he's just a reciever and thats it. You wouldn't put Jerry Rice at running back would you. man, rag on him if you see fit! don't let the title of a thread persuade what you post. your opinion is your opinion. post what you feel, not what you think we want you to post or not post. i think you have a valid point that raper "stunk" at running back last year. but the only reason i'm suggesting to put him back there again is because he looked pretty good at running back in the final game last year against the best defense in the meac, scsu. add to that a big game against morgan last week and we'd catch him at a time when his confidence is probably at an all time high. we have to take advantage of that. 2 games later he may not have that same confidence. that's why i think its a good idea to "occasionally" put him back there. if it doesn't work, then no harm done. the backups aren't working out either, so the result would be the same. at wr, he may not get but about 2 or 3 touches for the entire game. he's the fastest guy on the team, we've got to see if we can ride his momentum further. if he only gets 2 or 3 touches, he'll probably start losing confidence if those 2 or 3 touches are not successful. so as the ole saying goes, we must seize the moment...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 7, 2011 12:33:41 GMT -5
It's a reason you haven't really seen him at running back. This staff knows whats it doing. Anybody that has seen film on Raper and watched him practice wont waste time with him at RB. Open space at WR is his thing. Save him for the play-action deep passes. What would bring his confidence down is getting hammered coming out of the backfield with his slim a$$.
I like what the staff is doing with each individual. Best believe that Burgess and Drake will become a factor as the season goes on.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 7, 2011 12:33:52 GMT -5
Time for Drake, Burges, or Coles to step up. If just one of those guys can do it the offense will do well. we're midway thru the season, none of those guys have even come close to stepping up. i don't think any of them has had one single run from scrimmage that exceeded a 5 yard gain. they've all had plenty of time to step up. time to try something different...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 7, 2011 12:35:13 GMT -5
Time for Drake, Burges, or Coles to step up. If just one of those guys can do it the offense will do well. we're midway thru the season, none of those guys have even come close to stepping up. i don't think any of them has had one single run from scrimmage that exceeded a 5 yard gain. they've all had plenty of time to step up. time to try something different... LOL, and "different" is Raper at running back? Thats been done plenty. Give it time. Burgess and Drake will contribute soon enough.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 7, 2011 12:54:23 GMT -5
its about "timing", monster. again, when you've got a player who has a hot hand, feed him the ball. just like in basketball. if he's still not hot, then move on. but we may not have another opportunity when his confidence is high.
let me give you a personal experience example, i'll try to keep it brief. when i was in high school, i once returned a punt for a 62 yard touchdown. before that happened, i didn't like returning punts at all. but that touchdown gave me confidence and afterwards, i couldn't wait to get my hands on another punt return or kickoff return. i became a much better return specialist as a result.
so i'm thinking raper probably can't wait to get his hands on the ball again. at wideout, he may go almost an entire game before he touches the ball again, if at all. by then, no telling what his mindset will be. the guy has "game breaking" ability. we've got to give a more confident raper more opportunities to make big plays, 3 touches isn't enough.
again, its all about "timing". if he hadn't had a big game against morgan last week, i wouldn't be advocating this. but "now" is the right time to feed that dude. if it doesn't work, then no harm done. but if we don't try, we may never know if a confident injury free raper is ready to breakout of his shell and become a big play guy...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 7, 2011 13:06:06 GMT -5
Maybe we will see him on a reverse or some mis direction type play were there should be no impact at the point of attack.
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Post by saabman on Oct 7, 2011 13:19:03 GMT -5
Aggie Monster is right in saying that most receivers don't make good running backs in Rapers case he may be a running back that is a better receiver and should be left as a receiver. If you move him if only for a play are two it may hinder the confidence that he has in himself . You can still feed him the ball on quick routs, screens,sprite sweeps are even revises from time to time but never at RB. He may not have the personality to play that position .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 7, 2011 13:29:13 GMT -5
Aggie Monster is right in saying that most receivers don't make good running backs in Rapers case he may be a running back that is a better receiver and should be left as a receiver. If you move him if only for a play are two it may hinder the confidence that he has in himself . You can still feed him the ball on quick routs, screens,sprite sweeps are even revises from time to time but never at RB. He may not have the personality to play that position . i see your point, but he played running back in high school. its not a new position for him. he struggled last year at rb because he had a shoulder injury. you being a football coach, i'm sure you know what a shoulder injury will do to the effectiveness of a running back. he has the ability to be a usc reggie bush type as a slot reciever and a running back. i want to put the ball in his hands when he can see everything in front of him. i like the screens for him too, but he has to concentrate on catching the ball first before he can look up field to see what's coming. i mean, i see your point. but unlike pro ball, guys are much more versitile in college. they can play more than one position. i'm not advocating that he stay at rb. just give him 4 or 5 touches in the backfield, 2 or 3 screens passes, and see what happens...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 7, 2011 13:39:51 GMT -5
I guess the point we are trying to make is that he's probably been tried at RB in practice with the same result as last year.
If he was getting it done in practice I'm sure we would have already seen him at RB in a game or 2. We haven't seen him there at all, which kind of tells you something. Yes, Raper was a RB in high school, but this is the next level. Shelby's competition and A&T's is......well you know what I'm saying.
Drake gets so little carries I really dont know what he can do this year. Drake had a season high 9 carries at App, and 3 carries at Morgan. The problem is not finding Mayhew's backup. Whoever that is will only get 3-5 carries anyway. We need Raper for exactly what he did last game. To make plays opposite Miles.
Now if we can get a slot receiver(Warren) or tight end to step up we are on our way. If Warren plays like I think he can this offense will give teams Hell all season.
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