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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 14, 2011 15:44:51 GMT -5
my understanding is that the apr has criteria for retention and is negatively impacted if players aren't retained. when scholarship player(s) leave school or transfer, our apr takes a hit regardless to whether their grades were good or not... We do not take a hit on the apr with cooper, if he transferred to Tuskegee and his grades are good for him to play there then NO APR HIT!!! (How do I know I asked a CIAA coach & GSU's former AD)....the end! you do understand that the apr system doesn't apply to the ciaa, don't you? i mean, i wouldn't think a ciaa coach would be the most knowledge worthy person to ask about the apr system. anyway, here's the ncaa's criteria for the apr. please take a read and you be the judge. feel free to do any other research, but as shown below, you'll see that lack of "retention" negatively impacts our apr, just like i previously stated... The APR is calculated by allocating points for eligibility and retention -- the two factors that research identifies as the best indicators of graduation.
Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible and one for staying with the institution.
A team's APR is the total points of a team's roster at a given time divided by the total points possible. Since this results in a decimal number, the CAP decided to multiply it by 1,000 for ease of reference. Thus, a raw APR score of .925 translates into the 925 that will become the standard terminology.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Aug 14, 2011 15:53:34 GMT -5
With the state of the def. line lets hope our new def. coach can draw up some exotic blitz schemes.
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Post by krazykev on Aug 14, 2011 15:56:21 GMT -5
We do not take a hit on the apr with cooper, if he transferred to Tuskegee and his grades are good for him to play there then NO APR HIT!!! (How do I know I asked a CIAA coach & GSU's former AD)....the end! you do understand that the apr system doesn't apply to the ciaa, don't you? i mean, i wouldn't think a ciaa coach would be the most knowledge worthy person to ask about the apr system. anyway, here's the ncaa's criteria for the apr. please take a read and you be the judge. feel free to do any other research, but as shown below, you'll see that lack of "retention" negatively impacts our apr, just like i previously stated... The APR is calculated by allocating points for eligibility and retention -- the two factors that research identifies as the best indicators of graduation.
Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible and one for staying with the institution.
A team's APR is the total points of a team's roster at a given time divided by the total points possible. Since this results in a decimal number, the CAP decided to multiply it by 1,000 for ease of reference. Thus, a raw APR score of .925 translates into the 925 that will become the standard terminology.Why is every an argument with you? You cannot be wrong about anything. What I stated was from someone in the athletic department and I do not post something just to hear myself talk.
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 14, 2011 17:33:12 GMT -5
But OSA is right, and Kev is right also. The problem is neither are capturing the whole story. His leaving is a negative, his academic standing is a plus, the result is zero.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Aug 14, 2011 18:32:54 GMT -5
77 beat me to it. Looking at that rule, if he was in good standing its just a wash. Not a negative. He wasn't that great of a player either, so I dont view that as a negative.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 19:12:14 GMT -5
When Coach Lee got fired I predicted that we would win 0 games this season. After the spring game, I again predicted we would win 0 games this season. When we added VUL to the schedule I predicted that we would win 1 game next season. After seeing Kindle's development this summer and the overall improvement of the offense, I upgraded that prediction to 2 wins. Now after seeing the defense up close and personal in a live scrimmage, I unfortunately must to go back to my previous prediction of 1 victory in 2011. There is just no way we will be able to beat any real college football teams with our defensive line. I don't know... Our secondary is a strong point for us and since I believe we can play man coverage effectively, we will be able to play 8 in the box effectively and if our front 7 can play fundamentally sound football, we will win more than 1 game. Having coach Reese on staff will be a very big deal.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 14, 2011 20:19:37 GMT -5
you do understand that the apr system doesn't apply to the ciaa, don't you? i mean, i wouldn't think a ciaa coach would be the most knowledge worthy person to ask about the apr system. anyway, here's the ncaa's criteria for the apr. please take a read and you be the judge. feel free to do any other research, but as shown below, you'll see that lack of "retention" negatively impacts our apr, just like i previously stated... The APR is calculated by allocating points for eligibility and retention -- the two factors that research identifies as the best indicators of graduation.
Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible and one for staying with the institution.
A team's APR is the total points of a team's roster at a given time divided by the total points possible. Since this results in a decimal number, the CAP decided to multiply it by 1,000 for ease of reference. Thus, a raw APR score of .925 translates into the 925 that will become the standard terminology.Why is every an argument with you? You cannot be wrong about anything. What I stated was from someone in the athletic department and I do not post something just to hear myself talk. kev, ain't nobody forcing you to read my posts. just don't read them, its that easy. but don't ask me to just accept misinformation when i know its wrong. i've often admitted being wrong when i'm wrong, its no big deal. if something i've posted is wrong, i have no problem being corrected. i've been wrong many times before and will be wrong many more times in the future. but i'm not gonna leave misinformation out there if it distorts the truth. plain and simple. so again, you don't have to read my posts. just don't read them, that's not hard to do...
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Post by treese on Aug 14, 2011 21:25:14 GMT -5
We do not take a hit on the apr with cooper, if he transferred to Tuskegee and his grades are good for him to play there then NO APR HIT!!! (How do I know I asked a CIAA coach & GSU's former AD)....the end! you do understand that the apr system doesn't apply to the ciaa, don't you? i mean, i wouldn't think a ciaa coach would be the most knowledge worthy person to ask about the apr system. anyway, here's the ncaa's criteria for the apr. please take a read and you be the judge. feel free to do any other research, but as shown below, you'll see that lack of "retention" negatively impacts our apr, just like i previously stated... The APR is calculated by allocating points for eligibility and retention -- the two factors that research identifies as the best indicators of graduation.
Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible and one for staying with the institution.
A team's APR is the total points of a team's roster at a given time divided by the total points possible. Since this results in a decimal number, the CAP decided to multiply it by 1,000 for ease of reference. Thus, a raw APR score of .925 translates into the 925 that will become the standard terminology.So a ciaa coach only knows D-2 stuff! Man u one SMART guy! "if he was in good standing its just a wash (which he was). Not a negative."
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Post by krazykev on Aug 14, 2011 21:35:37 GMT -5
Why is every an argument with you? You cannot be wrong about anything. What I stated was from someone in the athletic department and I do not post something just to hear myself talk. kev, ain't nobody forcing you to read my posts. just don't read them, its that easy. but don't ask me to just accept misinformation when i know its wrong. i've often admitted being wrong when i'm wrong, its no big deal. if something i've posted is wrong, i have no problem being corrected. i've been wrong many times before and will be wrong many more times in the future. but i'm not gonna leave misinformation out there if it distorts the truth. plain and simple. so again, you don't have to read my posts. just don't read them, that's not hard to do... Can you read? My info was not wrong and neither was yours
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Post by bluehaze on Aug 14, 2011 21:37:28 GMT -5
The very next paragraph after the one oleschool quoted, stating how APR is calculated...
The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances—when a player transfers to another school with a sufficiently high GPA, or leaves for a professional sports career while still in good academic standing.
So as long as his grades were fine, like krazykev and treese said, he won't hurt our APR score...
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 15, 2011 7:14:11 GMT -5
The very next paragraph after the one oleschool quoted, stating how APR is calculated... The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances—when a player transfers to another school with a sufficiently high GPA, or leaves for a professional sports career while still in good academic standing. So as long as his grades were fine, like krazykev and treese said, he won't hurt our APR score... Two questions: 1.) I can't find this language at the NCAA website, where did it come from? 2.) How do you deduce from that statement that "he won't hurt our APR score"? Are you assuming "adjust" only means up?
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Aug 15, 2011 7:50:03 GMT -5
His apr count for 2010-11 is as follows: 1-2 for fall 2010 and 1-2 for spring 2011 for a total of 2pts out of a possible 4. Gaining retention points but losing eligibility points.
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Post by bluehaze on Aug 15, 2011 8:17:26 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 15, 2011 9:15:42 GMT -5
I'm still not clear on the interpretation of “fairness”. Does the fairness adjustment disregard the retention penalty?
I’m now on the same page as 4XLAGGIE, which results in a hit to APR doesn’t it, because instead of the 100% of the available points, we get 50%?
Thoughts?
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Post by saabman on Aug 15, 2011 12:13:04 GMT -5
Aggie77 go to >http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Academics/Division+I/How+is+APR+calculated or (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Issues/Academics/Academics+Definitions) This may help you. This is a good reason for A&T to track their Transfers : (In comparison, 7,058 former Division I student-athletes have returned to college to earn their degrees in the past six years. In the process, they earned a bonus point in the APR calculation for their former team. Almost half of these students – 47 percent – competed in men’s basketball, football and baseball.) oleschoolaggie -2 schools use the (Graduation Success Rate/GSR and the Academic Success Rate (ASR) )> (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Research/Graduation+Rateshttp://
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