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Post by basefoot00 on Apr 11, 2011 14:03:41 GMT -5
Every defense has holes. the 335 is great if you have a bunch of athletes that can run and are aggressive even when not in a stunt or a blitz it puts pressure on an ol because sombody on the end is uncovered. A NT that causes problems for a center is the key whether in a 34 or a 33. If he can be blocked with one man then it dont matter what the stunt blitz is it dont work. I agree to some degree, NG is important in any odd front defense. But, consider this if I'm doing my over load blitz to your weakside and you run there chances are it is my blitz has blown up your play. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 11, 2011 14:13:11 GMT -5
i thought it was a 3-4 defense instead of a 3-5.  a 3-5 only leaves 2 corners and one safety in the secondary. are ya'll sure its a 3-5? 3-5-3 base defense is made up of 3 DL, 3 ILB, 2 OLB/SS types, and your DB's. In other words it doesn't only leave 2 corners and 1 safety because the "Dogs" or OLB/SS types often roll into secondary coverage. It your DB's are based on the coverage you are running. by no stretch am i a football guru. but i've never heard of a base 3-5 defense. now, if you're disguising a 3-4 as a 3-5, then that makes sense to me. but a base 3-5? i dunno about that. what little bit i know is that with a base 3-5, that means you've got 8 in the box the majority of the time. pretty easy to go over the top of a 3-5 if your opponent has receivers with speed and a qb who can throw the deep ball. even 10 yard slants would work, if the wr beats his man, he'd only have 1 more guy between him and the goal line. with a 3-5, you've left your corners out on an island in "man to man" with only one safety to cover up both of their mistakes. i know a lot of teams run the 3-4, especially in the nfl. given our lack of depth on the d-line, i agree our personnel is probably better suited for 3 down linemen on defense. but 5 lb's in a base defense seems to be a bit much in my opinion... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 14:19:48 GMT -5
Some of the teams that won NC's over the past decade had just average and below average DL size wise.
But with that being said...
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Post by basefoot00 on Apr 11, 2011 14:33:09 GMT -5
3-5-3 base defense is made up of 3 DL, 3 ILB, 2 OLB/SS types, and your DB's. In other words it doesn't only leave 2 corners and 1 safety because the "Dogs" or OLB/SS types often roll into secondary coverage. It your DB's are based on the coverage you are running. by no stretch am i a football guru. but i've never heard of a base 3-5 defense. now, if you're disguising a 3-4 as a 3-5, then that makes sense to me. but a base 3-5? i dunno about that. what little bit i know is that with a base 3-5, that means you've got 8 in the box the majority of the time. pretty easy to go over the top of a 3-5 if your opponent has receivers with speed and a qb who can throw the deep ball. even 10 yard slants would work, if the wr beats his man, he'd only have 1 more guy between him and the goal line. with a 3-5, you've left your corners out on an island in "man to man" with only one safety to cover up both of their mistakes. i know a lot of teams run the 3-4, especially in the nfl. given our lack of depth on the d-line, i agree our personnel is probably better suited for 3 down linemen on defense. but 5 lb's in a base defense seems to be a bit much in my opinion... We will just have to disagree on this because the 3-5-3 doesn't have to be man and I think you are thinking of only one coverage being albe to be played. Also, the box technically is counted as being from OT to OT, that is how most offense count the number of defenders. You can have all kinds of coverages from the 3-5-3. We run it at our MS and we use 4 different coverages. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 11, 2011 14:37:46 GMT -5
by no stretch am i a football guru. but i've never heard of a base 3-5 defense. now, if you're disguising a 3-4 as a 3-5, then that makes sense to me. but a base 3-5? i dunno about that. what little bit i know is that with a base 3-5, that means you've got 8 in the box the majority of the time. pretty easy to go over the top of a 3-5 if your opponent has receivers with speed and a qb who can throw the deep ball. even 10 yard slants would work, if the wr beats his man, he'd only have 1 more guy between him and the goal line. with a 3-5, you've left your corners out on an island in "man to man" with only one safety to cover up both of their mistakes. i know a lot of teams run the 3-4, especially in the nfl. given our lack of depth on the d-line, i agree our personnel is probably better suited for 3 down linemen on defense. but 5 lb's in a base defense seems to be a bit much in my opinion... We will just have to disagree on this because the 3-5-3 doesn't have to be man and I think you are thinking of only one coverage being albe to be played. Also, the box technically is counted as being from OT to OT, that is how most offense count the number of defenders. You can have all kinds of coverages from the 3-5-3. We run it at our MS and we use 4 different coverages. like i said, i'm no guru and i'm not disagreeing with you. all i'm saying is i've never heard of a base 3-5 before. i'll take your word on it, but it seems very vulnerable to me... |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 11, 2011 15:16:52 GMT -5
We will just have to disagree on this because the 3-5-3 doesn't have to be man and I think you are thinking of only one coverage being albe to be played. Also, the box technically is counted as being from OT to OT, that is how most offense count the number of defenders. You can have all kinds of coverages from the 3-5-3. We run it at our MS and we use 4 different coverages. like i said, i'm no guru and i'm not disagreeing with you. all i'm saying is i've never heard of a base 3-5 before. i'll take your word on it, but it seems very vulnerable to me... Thats because a 3-5 base is normally called a "nickle", LOL. If you run it as a base you normally have large DB and a small lineman both at LB. So it's really a disguised 4-3 with a little more speed than an average 4-3. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 11, 2011 16:13:39 GMT -5
like i said, i'm no guru and i'm not disagreeing with you. all i'm saying is i've never heard of a base 3-5 before. i'll take your word on it, but it seems very vulnerable to me... Thats because a 3-5 base is normally called a "nickle", LOL. If you run it as a base you normally have large DB and a small lineman both at LB. So it's really a disguised 4-3 with a little more speed than an average 4-3. i thought a nickle defense meant extra db's, not extra lb's. but its no big deal. whatever works best for our team, i'm cool with it. but i'm a little nervous about using a base 3-5. i'd feel more comfortable with a base 3-4. but no matter whether its a 3-4 or a 3-5, we had better have a heck of a nt in the middle or else we're toast! |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 11, 2011 16:30:39 GMT -5
Thats because a 3-5 base is normally called a "nickle", LOL. If you run it as a base you normally have large DB and a small lineman both at LB. So it's really a disguised 4-3 with a little more speed than an average 4-3. i thought a nickle defense meant extra db's, not extra lb's. but its no big deal. whatever works best for our team, i'm cool with it. but i'm a little nervous about using a base 3-5. i'd feel more comfortable with a base 3-4. but no matter whether its a 3-4 or a 3-5, we had better have a heck of a nt in the middle or else we're toast! I was really just being a smart a$$. a nickle is more DBs, but since we are light in the a$$ you might as well call it a nickle. |
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Post by basefoot00 on Apr 11, 2011 18:56:00 GMT -5
i thought a nickle defense meant extra db's, not extra lb's. but its no big deal. whatever works best for our team, i'm cool with it. but i'm a little nervous about using a base 3-5. i'd feel more comfortable with a base 3-4. but no matter whether its a 3-4 or a 3-5, we had better have a heck of a nt in the middle or else we're toast! I was really just being a smart a$$. a nickle is more DBs, but since we are light in the a$$ you might as well call it a nickle. ;D |
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 11, 2011 19:38:42 GMT -5
well...may i ask why cates wants to transfer? i mean...does he not want to play for a winner? well, i'm sure in his mind he has something to complain about...oh well.
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Post by risco on Apr 13, 2011 19:20:25 GMT -5
The most blaring improvement was in tackling. And defense starts with tackling. Now we need to teach our young undersized D line to get off of blocks. Use speed to your advantage. Unless Broadway has a rabbit to pull out of his hat, I don't think you're gonna find any big bodies with walk on's. Maybe Someone knows of a Juco player that we can convince to come here. I agree that tacking and other skills where obviously better and this is what Broadways Spring Camp has been about, improving skills, discipline and knowledge from a position level of each player. Broadway is also showing a better understanding of how to use the talent that you have by switching his defense to a 3-5-3 which supports his undersized defensive line with linebackers who can run and hit as well as flooding the passing lanes, SMART strategically smart! bseballaggie- I'm not exactly sure how one would say undersized and 3-3-5 and SMART and strategic in the same sentence. In fact, the 3-3-5 is predicated on having big / athletic D-linemen. It doesn't matter anyway cause team is not running a 3-3-5. They are running a 4-2-5. Not one defensive snap over the weekend did I see a 3-3-5. |
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Post by risco on Apr 13, 2011 19:25:51 GMT -5
3-5-3 base defense is made up of 3 DL, 3 ILB, 2 OLB/SS types, and your DB's. In other words it doesn't only leave 2 corners and 1 safety because the "Dogs" or OLB/SS types often roll into secondary coverage. It your DB's are based on the coverage you are running. by no stretch am i a football guru. but i've never heard of a base 3-5 defense. now, if you're disguising a 3-4 as a 3-5, then that makes sense to me. but a base 3-5? i dunno about that. what little bit i know is that with a base 3-5, that means you've got 8 in the box the majority of the time. pretty easy to go over the top of a 3-5 if your opponent has receivers with speed and a qb who can throw the deep ball. even 10 yard slants would work, if the wr beats his man, he'd only have 1 more guy between him and the goal line. with a 3-5, you've left your corners out on an island in "man to man" with only one safety to cover up both of their mistakes. i know a lot of teams run the 3-4, especially in the nfl. given our lack of depth on the d-line, i agree our personnel is probably better suited for 3 down linemen on defense. but 5 lb's in a base defense seems to be a bit much in my opinion... Oh- it does exist as a 3-3-5- Alabama runs it-- it's very popular in college but you really have to have the D-line that commands a double team every play. That frees the LBs up. But if the guards tee off on the LBs, it's a done deal- offense gets 3-5 and maybe more a carry right off tackle. |
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Post by risco on Apr 13, 2011 19:31:50 GMT -5
by no stretch am i a football guru. but i've never heard of a base 3-5 defense. now, if you're disguising a 3-4 as a 3-5, then that makes sense to me. but a base 3-5? i dunno about that. what little bit i know is that with a base 3-5, that means you've got 8 in the box the majority of the time. pretty easy to go over the top of a 3-5 if your opponent has receivers with speed and a qb who can throw the deep ball. even 10 yard slants would work, if the wr beats his man, he'd only have 1 more guy between him and the goal line. with a 3-5, you've left your corners out on an island in "man to man" with only one safety to cover up both of their mistakes. i know a lot of teams run the 3-4, especially in the nfl. given our lack of depth on the d-line, i agree our personnel is probably better suited for 3 down linemen on defense. but 5 lb's in a base defense seems to be a bit much in my opinion... We will just have to disagree on this because the 3-5-3 doesn't have to be man and I think you are thinking of only one coverage being albe to be played. Also, the box technically is counted as being from OT to OT, that is how most offense count the number of defenders. You can have all kinds of coverages from the 3-5-3. We run it at our MS and we use 4 different coverages. Guys- we are not running a 3-3-5. We're running a 4-2-5. |
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Post by numberonebrave on Apr 13, 2011 19:35:22 GMT -5
Was there a spring game roster?
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Post by basefoot00 on Apr 13, 2011 19:50:17 GMT -5
We will just have to disagree on this because the 3-5-3 doesn't have to be man and I think you are thinking of only one coverage being albe to be played. Also, the box technically is counted as being from OT to OT, that is how most offense count the number of defenders. You can have all kinds of coverages from the 3-5-3. We run it at our MS and we use 4 different coverages. Guys- we are not running a 3-3-5. We're running a 4-2-5. Thanks lost in our discussion was the fact that during the spring game we were running an even front. |
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a 3-5 only leaves 2 corners and one safety in the secondary. are ya'll sure its a 3-5?
