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Post by Aggie77 on Jun 4, 2007 8:19:43 GMT -5
I think S.C. State's schollys all count as in-state. I've heard Appalachian's do too. I think Coach Small mentioned that before he was unceremoniously dumped for being unable to compete with a bunch of schools without those restrictions. How was Coach Small able to field a full staff of seasoned assistants and Coach Fobbs has no one that I would hire for my staff were I a coach? I don't know about SCSU, but at App State, as long as state or federal funds aren't used they can fund as many scholarships based on in-state tuition as they have private money. |
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 4, 2007 8:22:30 GMT -5
Well they raise several mill a year private. You can do that when you're beating everybody's @ss and winning back-to-back championships. ...but I have a strong feeling we will be able to raise a mill a year ourselves in short time  |
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Post by Aggie77 on Jun 4, 2007 8:28:38 GMT -5
As far as staffing goes, if you have never needed to hire, would you know the importance of experience. If you don't know what you don't know, how do you know what you don't know, and there is no one to tell him what he doesn't know.
I'm on board with that mill a year concept!!
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 4, 2007 8:36:46 GMT -5
I would buy the staffing argument, but the man's been in the game for 30 years. He should know firsthand that what got him jobs was experience. Wasn't nobody that was planning to keep their job hiring inexperienced people.
Perhaps he wants to give people a chance because of the numerous times he was passed over. That's great once you're established. A cat that has yet to win his first game as a collegiate head coach needs to be hiring guys with head coaching experience, good or bad, to coach almost every position. He needs to learn from them and he needs people that can handle their roles successfully. The less experience his assistants have the more he has to do. He walked in the door carrying too heavy a load as coach and o.c.
Coach, if you read this please lighten some of your burdens. Let go of the o.c. role and cut loose anybody whose squad is not producing immediately after the season is over. I understand the desire to be a nice guy but while you are being a nice guy you are losing games badly and destroying the great resume you built up over 30 years of work.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jun 4, 2007 10:53:27 GMT -5
I think S.C. State's schollys all count as in-state. I've heard Appalachian's do too. I think Coach Small mentioned that before he was unceremoniously dumped for being unable to compete with a bunch of schools without those restrictions. How was Coach Small able to field a full staff of seasoned assistants and Coach Fobbs has no one that I would hire for my staff were I a coach? I don't know about SCSU, but at App State, as long as state or federal funds aren't used they can fund as many scholarships based on in-state tuition as they have private money. They only used 14 for football with that exemption for 06-07. |
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Post by Maxell on Jun 4, 2007 11:20:09 GMT -5
Maxell. please take us back to exactly what are rules for A&T not to 'pony up' for out-of-state fees for out-of-state athletes. I don't believe A&T has any sports program with all of its scholarships are endowed. I said nothing about endowments. Read below. News Sunday, February 18, 2007 Bill would repeal tuition break Print Email this Article By Mark Binker Staff Writer ADVERTISEMENT CAPITAL BEATClick here to read and discuss more political news at the Capital Beat Blog.RALEIGH — In 2005, a scantly debated measure gave the private foundations that pay for scholarships at UNC system schools a big boost. They only have to pay the in-state tuition rate for anyone on a full ride, even if that student is setting foot in North Carolina for the first time his or her freshman year. The law cost the university system more than $5.2 million this school year, the bulk of that for student athletes whose ways are paid by booster clubs. It has earned derision from lawmakers on both the ideological right and left, who view it as a waste of taxpayer money and as unfair to North Carolina's own aspiring college students. A group of Democrats and Republicans have filed a bill to repeal the law. "I love athletics and football as much as anyone else, but our first responsibility is to the academics," said Rep. Laura Wiley, a High Point Republican who co-sponsored the measure. The 2005 law applies not only to athletic scholarships, but also to academic scholarships such as those offered by the Morehead program at UNC-Chapel Hill. Rockingham County Rep. Nelson Cole, a Democrat, and Rep. Pat Hurley, a Randolph County Republican, are also co-sponsors. The bill's principal authors are Rep. George Cleveland, an Onslow County Republican, and Rep. Pricey Harrison, a Greensboro Democrat. In separate interviews, both said the bill has less to do with academics than it does with stocking the university system's sports teams. At UNC's flagship campus, out-of-state students paid $18,104 this academic year, more than five times what in-state students paid. "The way they have it structured now, it's taking away slots from our own in-state students," Cleveland said. Harrison said, "It's not good public policy, and I just can't justify it from any perspective." The bill's sponsors say they think they can get the measure through the House, even though a similar measure stalled at the end of last session. "The Senate may be a little tougher," Cleveland said. That chamber is seen as more friendly to business interests and university system boosters. Although the bulk of the measure's benefits may accrue to boosters in Chapel Hill or at N.C. State, boosters at smaller campuses also have benefited. Dee Todd, athletics director at N.C. A&T, said last week that the school had been able to bring in 10 out-of-state student athletes last year at a cost savings of $100,000.
"It really allows us some savings we could use for our operational expenses," Todd said. "This enabled us to find some talent we otherwise couldn't get."
She said that repealing the scholarship measure would be "shooting ourselves in the foot." |
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Post by AggieMike on Jun 4, 2007 12:46:37 GMT -5
Was it right?
Why not bring in Steve Shipp, West Charlotte people get W's! Marshall Glenn as honorary coach is kinda funny too. I think Fobbs is trying to find the best young coaches he can, give them resume building titles and such so when he gets the boot and A&T, years down the road one of these young guys will remember and give him a nice little RB coach job
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Post by numberonebrave on Jun 4, 2007 15:11:13 GMT -5
Coaches with the kind of experience you suggest cost more than Fobbs probably has in his budget. One of the reasons Hayes and Small (to a lesser extent) could pay coaches more was because their coaches were paid with state funds for teaching a class or two. When the coaches were removed from the teaching line, those $$$ had to come from the athletic budget. That has not grown as fast as the increase in salaries. Does Steve Shipp want( DID HE APPLY FOR A position) a job at NCA&T.? One ex player told me that he would take too big a pay cut to coach at NCA&T.
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 4, 2007 15:19:46 GMT -5
I don't know what kind of financial liabilities Fobbs has but he's making 60 large more than any coach in school history and he's gotten by far the worst results in school history.
I literally could've done a better coaching job because I'll go hungry and let my underlings live large before I'ma be embarassed like that.
There are schools with far less money than us that somehow convince more experienced coaches to come aboard. All we have are excuses. It's Fobbs' job to get it done and I'd hate for him to figure out in hindsight that it would've been easier to let go of half his salary and drum up some additional monitary support to get some experienced assistants than it was to try to teach a crew of kids how to coach when he still trying to learn himself.
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Post by Aggie77 on Jun 4, 2007 16:39:09 GMT -5
I don't know about SCSU, but at App State, as long as state or federal funds aren't used they can fund as many scholarships based on in-state tuition as they have private money. They only used 14 for football with that exemption for 06-07. So, App saved about $140K. That begs the question was the ten mentioned above all football? |
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Post by Aggie911 on Jun 4, 2007 20:05:56 GMT -5
Doug Brown has recently torn his ACL while trying out for arena football.
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Post by AggieMike on Jun 4, 2007 21:16:22 GMT -5
Would Dee Todd ever ask Fobbs to restructure his contract to afford better coaches, hell even I cut my own pay at the paper to afford two more people
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jun 5, 2007 8:17:22 GMT -5
They only used 14 for football with that exemption for 06-07. So, App saved about $140K. That begs the question was the ten mentioned above all football? No. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jun 5, 2007 8:31:15 GMT -5
Since he has a guaranteed multi-year deal, he could transfer a portion of his annual salary over the next two seasons to the final year of his contract. That could free up more money in the immediate future to hire another experienced coach without affecting the total football budget for those years.
Fobbs would still get his all his money on the back end of the contract and hopefully by that time his current contract is up the football program will be stronger and the total athletic budget will have been increased to keep paying the experienced coach that was hired.
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Post by AggieMike on Jun 5, 2007 9:06:03 GMT -5
That sounds good though, backload in the hopes that by the time he gets that lump sum the team is back on track and instead of asking for more money he'll get the money he actually earned.
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