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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 14, 2010 10:27:28 GMT -5
Say we get YOUR favorite guy. Whether it be Maynor, Broadway, Bill Cowher, Jimmy Johnson, etc, etc..........
If we get "YOUR" guy then what do you expect of him in year one if all the players return? 4 wins? 6 wins? 8 wins? Assuming he is hired before Christmas.
If my "guy" gets hired i would expect no less than 6 wins with the talent that we currently have. We will be junior heavy with plenty of on-field experience. 6 wins and a lot of close losses is my bar.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 14, 2010 10:28:53 GMT -5
I think you are assuming the retention rate wouldn't take a massive hit when a new coach is announced.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 14, 2010 10:37:40 GMT -5
I think you are assuming the retention rate wouldn't take a massive hit when a new coach is announced. Right, I'm assuming big time! Thought it would be a decent topic. I'm bored.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 10:41:16 GMT -5
I expect Chancellor Martin NOT to do the same things he did while A. Lee was the coach. I also expect improved support of our endeavor into Football.
I mean, if we are going to even field a team, why the heck are we not supporting it? And don't give me that excuse about "we can barely graduate 40% of our students, or we need to improve our research funding, we have bigger things to worry about." ANYTHING with A&T's name on it MUST be treated as important as anything else.
It's not fair to our student-athletes to ask them do all they do but they just get thrown by the wayside by administrators who do not know how to stay out of their own damn way.
This A&T, we are SUPPOSED to Achieve GREAT GOALS in EVERYTHING we freakin do!
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 14, 2010 10:44:01 GMT -5
It all depends on how soon we annouce a new Coach / coaching staff. If we can get someone in place before the players take off - six wins.
If its Feb / late Jan - not only are we stupid but we would be lucky to win a game again next year regardless of the Coach. I guarantee you there are 10-15 kids that are pondering whether they come back.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 14, 2010 10:48:13 GMT -5
Just like anyone else these kids are going to form an initial opinion of whoever the new coach is the first time they meet him. But since we dont have a Coach the kids are in a state of flux.
Sheep wonder off into someone else pasture when they dont have a shepard !!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 14, 2010 12:11:45 GMT -5
i think there's too many "unknowns" to intelligently draw conclusions about what our expectations should be. at this point, i wouldn't even try to take a stab at it. perhaps i will once we know for sure who the new ad and head coach will be...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 14, 2010 12:26:15 GMT -5
i think there's too many "unknowns" to intelligently draw conclusions about what our expectations should be. at this point, i wouldn't even try to take a stab at it. perhaps i will once we know for sure who the new ad and head coach will be... ole school, that's the point of the question. In YOUR mind what would YOUR coach do next year? I'm not asking you to wait and see who the coach is or how many kids actually stay. In YOUR perfect world what a realistic goal is what the question is? So, insert Oleschools favorite pick for coach and assume he was hired and announced this afternoon or tomorrow. All the players said they are staying. What do yo expect? If you dont want to answer then that cool to, but we have other threads commenting on "wait and see" stuff.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 14, 2010 16:21:48 GMT -5
i think there's too many "unknowns" to intelligently draw conclusions about what our expectations should be. at this point, i wouldn't even try to take a stab at it. perhaps i will once we know for sure who the new ad and head coach will be... ole school, that's the point of the question. In YOUR mind what would YOUR coach do next year? I'm not asking you to wait and see who the coach is or how many kids actually stay. In YOUR perfect world what a realistic goal is what the question is? So, insert Oleschools favorite pick for coach and assume he was hired and announced this afternoon or tomorrow. All the players said they are staying. What do yo expect? If you dont want to answer then that cool to, but we have other threads commenting on "wait and see" stuff. . well, okay. since its xmas season, i'll play along; first and foremost, i expect to see "competence" and "organization" exhibited on and off the football field. secondly, if everyone returns next season including the props (which is not a given), i expect all of our holes to be filled offensively, defensively, and special teams when our next recruiting class is finally announced. then, during the offseason leading up to opening day, i'd like to see the 3 f's emphasized very heavily. the 3 f's stand for fitness, fundamentals, and football. i'm a firm believer in physical fitness and conditioning when it comes to athletics. in my coaching days, my kids use to hate the conditioning phases of my practices because i worked them so hard. but my teams won championships and never under achieved, so no one ever quit on me. on the football field, my desires and expectations are two different things. i desire at least 6 wins and a winning record, but given our situation, that's probably unrealistic. so my expectations are a minimum of 4 wins, no embarrassing blowouts, with "potential" to possibly win 7 games...
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 14, 2010 19:37:54 GMT -5
I know, I know what you're going to say about my next take, but my "spidey sense" is really tingling now since Maurice Hart resigned this afternoon from his defensive backfield assistant job at Greensboro College to probably join up with his brother Darren who is at WSSU and with their old boss and current WSSU defensive coordinator and former head coach Mike Ketchum.
I've given this a lot of thought over the last few days. It came together and it simply fits now.
Its Maynor's job, pure and simple.
It's the most logical choice and probably better suited for us than Broadway ever would be over the long haul especially with Caldwell most likely being the next AD.
After thinking about it, financially it makes the perfect sense for us because, paying Broadway lower tier BCS money would be akin to Fobbs all over again. No money for decent assistants, rob the rest of program of its real needs, and we would end up losing a ton of money and probably canning the guy three years down the road for not producing.
Unless there is a tremendous influx of cash overnight, Caldwell could bring Maynor's whole staff , give them all good raises over CIAA standards, and still have plenty of money left over for the academic tutoring we so desparately need to keep our APR rising, get back to recruiting heavily in Eastern N.C. and the Piedmont with the tuition changes now coming into play next year, get those four or five D-1 transfers every year, win yourself 7-8 games out of the gate and put 15,000 plus in the stands on an average every Saturday and play a good schedule with a real fat paycheck from a BCS program every other year.
Maynor has worked in programs with far less resources than A&T at both WSSU and at Fayetteville and has won time and time again as an OC and as a head coach so there is a knowledge of what to do and how to do it given the budget situation and he knows how to teach promising QBs on the horizon like a Kindle, Webb, and Clower, all coming back with an additional load of props just sitting on campus and over at Oak Ridge waiting for registration to start next month.
I also like the fact he beat the hell out of a good Pembroke State team (PWC) that was ranked 17th in D-II this past year which is something Broadway couldn't do with two 11-0 teams in back to back years even though he had the best talent of any HBCU in the nation including SCSU in those years at NCCU.
Just makes too much good business sense for us not to make this move and we would be competitive from the start and Maynor knows enough to let the AD do his talking for him and concentrate on coaching and personnel.
It would also probably keep most every promising underclassmen we have here without losing a bunch of kids to transfers given Connell's penchant for high power scoring offenses and his age at being barely in his 40's.
He's a guy who can relate to these younger kids better than the old staff, and a better investment without having to break the bank to just say we got a big name guy who we really couldn't afford and probably would't stay around even if a deal could be brokered. I would stake a month's pay if Maynor comes here under the likely scenario I just described, he would surpass Frazier in his first year for success and would whip his a$$ consistently in head to head match ups over the long haul.
Frazier would be just like Broadway and wouldn't be at NCCU long once the bigger deals come knocking, assuming he has PV type success there.
I know my take will not be popular with hardly anyone on this board but that's the way I see it. You just have play the best hand you've been dealt and I don't see getting Connell Maynor instead of Frazier as being all that bad for us. Pretty much the opposite.
Nothing is a given, but I'd rather play with the devil I know rather than one I don't.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 14, 2010 20:02:33 GMT -5
What do I expect?
Competence.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 14, 2010 20:15:15 GMT -5
Ill keep my opinions and views to myself, but his has gotten utterly ridiculous. The next coach will need to be a master in turning lemons into lemonade, and making chicken salad out of chicken &^$#
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 14, 2010 20:24:55 GMT -5
Damn, jaffe. I thought you were dead. LOL
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 14, 2010 20:35:45 GMT -5
LOL, they could never kill me! But dead would be better than to be subjected to this mess. These coaches get recycled between all the black programs and we expect different results within addressing the severe infrastructure problems. X's and O's aside, b/c that can be another debate, tell me a man that could come into Greensboro right now and win on limited practice time, no AD, player attrition due to coaching changes, players getting pulled of the field HOURS before the first game, and an administration that seems to lack competence when it comes to athletics?
I want the chancellor to clearly articulate how he wants the new coach to differentiate himself from what Lee was doing. He stated that it wasnt really about on the field issues as opposed to merely wanting to take the program in a "new direction". Nobody has been able to say what this great direction is or will be.
Everybody looks at App St and Coach Moore as a blueprint, but forget that Moore was almost fired twice before he started seeing huge success. Besides we're talking apples and oranges when it comes to fundraising. When white folks pass, theyve got generational and old money that they can will to their universities. When we pass, our families are fighting over who gets the left shoe, and who gets to keep the right. Big difference in the giving structures and what youll realistically be able to fund raise, especially in a poor economic climate. Ive got some ideas for Martin, but he doesnt seem to be the listening type.
Another problem is that I think that he has people in his ear that dont know the difference between a first down and a quarterback, and that is dangerous when it comes to making bigtime decisions (ie firing someone in their 2nd yr)
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Post by aggie62 on Dec 15, 2010 1:34:39 GMT -5
...... The next coach will need to be a master in turning lemons into lemonade, and making chicken salad out of chicken &^$#The model for doing that already exists on campus. Coach Bibbs has proven to be a master at turning women's basketball programs from lemons to lemonade at A&T and other schools. So I believe we can do it in football as well. Keep the faith........
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