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Post by SixtiesAggie on Oct 15, 2010 9:42:03 GMT -5
Personally I have no problem with bringing both organizations under one roof if it will make us more efficient and reduce compliance risks. Perhaps the Aggie Club and/or Victory Club will exist as a subset of the AAF such as it's done at other universities? The University of Michigan has at least six booster organizations but I think they all fall under the same reporting structure. I think both names added value to our fundraising efforts. The organization is being modeled after the universities that the committee visited. Those organizations have been very succesful in their fund raising efforts. People are missing the point. A&T desparately needs to generate funds to support athletics. All of this wringing of hands and second guessing the people with the facts is not bringing in the kind of funds needed for the program. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 15, 2010 10:39:26 GMT -5
Where does the letter solicit donations, donation increases? This is strictly an announcement of a change in the Aggie Athletic fundraising structure. In my opinion, this is a step in the right direction to re-organize Aggie Athletics. When should he make the announcement; after the change? Those of you looking for marketing plan; it’s not in this letter. Those of you looking for the re-organization of the Athletic Department; it’s not in this letter. Those looking for the solicitation of donations, it’s not in this letter. the last time i saw the numbers, our "existing" booster clubs (aggie club, victory club) raise more money annually than any other booster clubs in the meac except for "maybe" famu, who may have raised slightly more than us recently. but relative to the meac, the problem with our athletics is not booster club fundraising. we essentially lead the meac in that category every year. but can we say the same about athletics? when was the last time we've led the meac in football? when was the last time we've led the meac in men's basketball? when was the last time a&t won the meac all sports trophy? since hayes left in 2002, we've had more "winless" football seasons (3) than we've had winning records (1), much less meac championships. during that same timeframe, our men's basketball team has had a pathetic "1 win" season ('02-'03), a "3 win" season ('03-'04), and two "6 win" seasons ('04-'06). mind you, we play more than 30 basketball games every season! and, before coach bibbs arrived, our women's basketball record was no better than the men, we're talking single digit win seasons for them too! and do i need to throw in our single digit winning volleyball team too! and that's not even all of our athletic woes! we've got apr academic issues, "qualified" scholarship athletes not being admitted, and tragedy in our track program. yet, we want to talk about fundraising? football, men's and women's basketball are our 3 "premier" athletic programs! yet, we've had "virtually" winless seasons in all 3 over the last 8 years. yet, our leadership wants to talk about fundraising? for what? to keep doing what we've done over the last 8 years? our fundraising is already tops in the meac, but our athletic performances are just the opposite. yet, we want to take measures to improve our fundraising? shouldn't the priority be on improving our athletic department first? no, the letter didn't "explicitly" solicit donations. but what's the purpose of doing away with 2 clubs to create 1? to raise "less" money? no, the purpose is to raise more money. if not, why do away with the 2 clubs in the first place? so the idea of increasing fundraising is "implied" merely by the introduction of this new foundation. otherwise, why do it? look, i probably criticize our coaches and admins less than most on this site. i've always supported our coaches/admins, win, lose, or draw. as painful as it was, i never stopped supporting our coaches and admins throughout the 27 game losing streak. but folks, its time to address the "real" cause of our woes and it ain't the coaches and it ain't our fundraising. ITS OUR LEADERSHIP!!!!! their record speaks for itself. its time to hold them "accountable" instead of ignoring their performance. folk can keep screaming at the coaches all they want, but it won't solve jack. what coach hasn't been heavily criticized other than coach bibbs? and what has it solved? i'm not saying we have to have the best run athletic department in the meac, though that's my preference. but we're not even average! we're not even below average! we're rock bottom, baby! we're rock bottom. we're right down there with howard. but at least howard's administration makes no secret of the fact that their priorities aren't on athletics, its on academics and they have a track record to prove it. our admins can't say the same... |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 15, 2010 10:48:27 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 15, 2010 10:57:40 GMT -5
Where does the letter solicit donations, donation increases? This is strictly an announcement of a change in the Aggie Athletic fundraising structure. In my opinion, this is a step in the right direction to re-organize Aggie Athletics. When should he make the announcement; after the change? Those of you looking for marketing plan; it’s not in this letter. Those of you looking for the re-organization of the Athletic Department; it’s not in this letter. Those looking for the solicitation of donations, it’s not in this letter. the last time i saw the numbers, our "existing" booster clubs (aggie club, victory club) raise more money annually than any other booster clubs in the meac except for "maybe" famu, who may have raised slightly more than us recently. but relative to the meac, the problem with our athletics is not booster club fundraising. we essentially lead the meac in that category every year. but can we say the same about athletics? when was the last time we've led the meac in football? when was the last time we've led the meac in men's basketball? when was the last time a&t won the meac all sports trophy? since hayes left in 2002, we've had more "winless" football seasons (3) than we've had winning records (1), much less meac championships. during that same timeframe, our men's basketball team has had a pathetic "1 win" season ('02-'03), a "3 win" season ('03-'04), and two "6 win" seasons ('04-'06). mind you, we play more than 30 basketball games every season! and, before coach bibbs arrived, our women's basketball record was no better than the men, we're talking single digit win seasons for them too! and do i need to throw in our single digit winning volleyball team too! and that's not even all of our athletic woes! we've got apr academic issues, "qualified" scholarship athletes not being admitted, and tragedy in our track program. yet, we want to talk about fundraising? football, men's and women's basketball are our 3 "premier" athletic programs! yet, we've had "virtually" winless seasons in all 3 over the last 8 years. yet, our leadership wants to talk about fundraising? for what? to keep doing what we've done over the last 8 years? our fundraising is already tops in the meac, but our athletic performances are just the opposite. yet, we want to take measures to improve our fundraising? shouldn't the priority be on improving our athletic department first? no, the letter didn't "explicitly" solicit donations. but what's the purpose of doing away with 2 clubs to create 1? to raise "less" money? no, the purpose is to raise more money. if not, why do away with the 2 clubs in the first place? so the idea of increasing fundraising is "implied" merely by the introduction of this new foundation. otherwise, why do it? look, i probably criticize our coaches and admins less than most on this site. i've always supported our coaches/admins, win, lose, or draw. as painful as it was, i never stopped supporting our coaches and admins throughout the 27 game losing streak. but folks, its time to address the "real" cause of our woes and it ain't the coaches and it ain't our fundraising. ITS OUR LEADERSHIP!!!!! their record speaks for itself. its time to hold them "accountable" instead of ignoring their performance. folk can keep screaming at the coaches all they want, but it won't solve jack. what coach hasn't been heavily criticized other than coach bibbs? and what has it solved? i'm not saying we have to have the best run athletic department in the meac, though that's my preference. but we're not even average! we're not even below average! we're rock bottom, baby! we're rock bottom. we're right down there with howard. but at least howard's administration makes no secret of the fact that their priorities aren't on athletics, its on academics and they have a track record to prove it. our admins can't say the same... I don't know what your point is, do you? |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 15, 2010 11:06:27 GMT -5
the last time i saw the numbers, our "existing" booster clubs (aggie club, victory club) raise more money annually than any other booster clubs in the meac except for "maybe" famu, who may have raised slightly more than us recently. but relative to the meac, the problem with our athletics is not booster club fundraising. we essentially lead the meac in that category every year. but can we say the same about athletics? when was the last time we've led the meac in football? when was the last time we've led the meac in men's basketball? when was the last time a&t won the meac all sports trophy? since hayes left in 2002, we've had more "winless" football seasons (3) than we've had winning records (1), much less meac championships. during that same timeframe, our men's basketball team has had a pathetic "1 win" season ('02-'03), a "3 win" season ('03-'04), and two "6 win" seasons ('04-'06). mind you, we play more than 30 basketball games every season! and, before coach bibbs arrived, our women's basketball record was no better than the men, we're talking single digit win seasons for them too! and do i need to throw in our single digit winning volleyball team too! and that's not even all of our athletic woes! we've got apr academic issues, "qualified" scholarship athletes not being admitted, and tragedy in our track program. yet, we want to talk about fundraising? football, men's and women's basketball are our 3 "premier" athletic programs! yet, we've had "virtually" winless seasons in all 3 over the last 8 years. yet, our leadership wants to talk about fundraising? for what? to keep doing what we've done over the last 8 years? our fundraising is already tops in the meac, but our athletic performances are just the opposite. yet, we want to take measures to improve our fundraising? shouldn't the priority be on improving our athletic department first? no, the letter didn't "explicitly" solicit donations. but what's the purpose of doing away with 2 clubs to create 1? to raise "less" money? no, the purpose is to raise more money. if not, why do away with the 2 clubs in the first place? so the idea of increasing fundraising is "implied" merely by the introduction of this new foundation. otherwise, why do it? look, i probably criticize our coaches and admins less than most on this site. i've always supported our coaches/admins, win, lose, or draw. as painful as it was, i never stopped supporting our coaches and admins throughout the 27 game losing streak. but folks, its time to address the "real" cause of our woes and it ain't the coaches and it ain't our fundraising. ITS OUR LEADERSHIP!!!!! their record speaks for itself. its time to hold them "accountable" instead of ignoring their performance. folk can keep screaming at the coaches all they want, but it won't solve jack. what coach hasn't been heavily criticized other than coach bibbs? and what has it solved? i'm not saying we have to have the best run athletic department in the meac, though that's my preference. but we're not even average! we're not even below average! we're rock bottom, baby! we're rock bottom. we're right down there with howard. but at least howard's administration makes no secret of the fact that their priorities aren't on athletics, its on academics and they have a track record to prove it. our admins can't say the same... I don't know what your point is, do you? my point is very simple. our fundraising is fine. our athletic department is not. fix what's wrong before improving what's already right... |
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 15, 2010 11:46:27 GMT -5
my point is very simple. our fundraising is fine. our athletic department is not. fix what's wrong before improving what's already right... Just because we are 1st in HBCU fundraising doesn't mean we are fine or already right (maybe by your standards that’s okay). This is one step in reorganizing Athletic Department and probably the easiest to streamline and improve. I could get on board with your mindset if I believed this was the first and last change, but who would think that? The reorganization doesn’t have to happen in serial steps, it can and will take parallel steps. Both booster organizations were static in their support of Aggie Athletics, again if that's fine with you, then that's fine with you. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 15, 2010 11:58:32 GMT -5
our fundraising is tops in the meac. so yes, its fine, but it too can be improved.
again, like i said, i'm not necessarily opposed to the idea. they said they did research and found this to be a better alternative. i've done no research, so i have to trust what they say. i just didn't like the timing of it as i've stated repeatedly.
but now that i see something is being done to shake up the athletic department, its a little easier for me to swallow now. some folk say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. i'm saying, if something else is broke, fix it first before improving something that's not broke...
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Post by DECKS on Oct 15, 2010 12:09:46 GMT -5
Personally I have no problem with bringing both organizations under one roof if it will make us more efficient and reduce compliance risks. Perhaps the Aggie Club and/or Victory Club will exist as a subset of the AAF such as it's done at other universities? The University of Michigan has at least six booster organizations but I think they all fall under the same reporting structure. I think both names added value to our fundraising efforts. The organization is being modeled after the universities that the committee visited. Those organizations have been very succesful in their fund raising efforts. People are missing the point. A&T desparately needs to generate funds to support athletics. All of this wringing of hands and second guessing the people with the facts is not bringing in the kind of funds needed for the program. Second guessing is what we do on these boards. Nothing wrong with that. An organizational restruturing won't cause me to stop giving; however inefficiency and wastefulness will. Regardless, I'm glad to see us starting to address these issues. |
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Post by truthseeker on Oct 24, 2010 15:05:18 GMT -5
For the life of me, I just don't understand why you would risk upsetting people who have been giving you money. Especially in this current climate of economic uncertainty. That just ain't good business. for the life of me i don't believe martin put his signature on a memo such is this that left don corbett name off of it... how do you send out a memo & name the people that are on it & leave the greatest coach in a&t's history off of it... there is probably only one other coach in the country that did what corbett did... does martin proof read memos before he signs them...  ? this lets me know this is going to be some more b.s.... |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 24, 2010 19:07:19 GMT -5
Everybody who he listed in the memo was a student-athlete at A&T. Was Corbett a student-athlete at A&T?
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Post by The Professor on Nov 11, 2010 14:58:52 GMT -5
BTW: Where does this leave Phil McAlpin? Good question |
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Post by The Professor on Nov 11, 2010 14:59:22 GMT -5
Are there any details about this yet
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Post by DECKS on Nov 11, 2010 15:29:03 GMT -5
BTW: Where does this leave Phil McAlpin? Good question His title as of right now is Director of Development for Athletics. |
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Nov 11, 2010 15:29:04 GMT -5
Professor,
Yes. The Chancellor did a power point presentation to the Greensboro Aggie Club several weeks ago. He is to do the same for the chapters in Atlanta, Charlotte, Durham, Tidewater and DC. His presentation was over 2 hours.
He indicated strongly that they will have a national search for a fundraiser. He also indicated that the person will keep the job based on monies raised. He is looking for large amounts. As everyone realizes we are in dire straits for finances.
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Post by bseballaggie on Dec 17, 2010 11:04:35 GMT -5
N.C. State gets $40 million, school's largest gift
ArticleComments (0) Friday, December 17, 2010 (Updated 9:38 am)
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Read other visitors' comments and post your own. Be the first to comment on this story. RALEIGH (AP) — A graduate who made a fortune hauling garbage is giving North Carolina State University its largest gift ever, $40 million.
The News & Observer of Raleigh reported Friday that Lonnie C. Poole Jr. and his wife, Carol Johnson Poole, are giving the money to the school.
Chancellor Randy Woodson says the gift is "transformative."
Poole is a graduate in civil engineering and founded Raleigh-based Waste Industries in 1970.
N.C. State's College of Management will get $37 million of the gift and will be named for him.
Most of the rest of the money will be used to build a clubhouse at NC State's new golf course at its Centennial Campus, which will be named for Carol Poole.
The couple previously gave $3 million to help build the golf course, which is named for Lonnie Poole.
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