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Post by aggypryd on Apr 1, 2010 15:07:24 GMT -5
Who are we grooming to take Bibbs' place for when she decides to retire/move on?
Whatever she's doing, we need to take that formula and apply it to our other teams!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2010 15:20:24 GMT -5
i hate to even think about that! but i don't think the answer to your question is currently sitting on coach bibbs' bench. i think coach bibbs' biggest asset is her ability to recruit and that's something that you can't teach. either you have it, or you don't.
to me, the first thing (but not the only thing) i'd look for in a college coach is their ability to recruit. in college athletics, that's the most important attribute, in my opinion. there's many other attributes that are important as well, but if you're a poor recruiter, then you're gonna be a poor college coach. by far, coach bibbs is the best ladies recruiter in the meac and she has all of the other intangibles to go along with it which makes her a tremendous coach.
i really don't think all of her attributes can be groomed into another person. especially her ability to recruit...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 1, 2010 20:11:14 GMT -5
i hate to even think about that! but i don't think the answer to your question is currently sitting on coach bibbs' bench. i think coach bibbs' biggest asset is her ability to recruit and that's something that you can't teach. either you have it, or you don't. to me, the first thing (but not the only thing) i'd look for in a college coach is their ability to recruit. in college athletics, that's the most important attribute, in my opinion. there's many other attributes that are important as well, but if you're a poor recruiter, then you're gonna be a poor college coach. by far, coach bibbs is the best ladies recruiter in the meac and she has all of the other intangibles to go along with it which makes her a tremendous coach. i really don't think all of her attributes can be groomed into another person. especially her ability to recruit... She doesn't recruit oleschool. She's even admitted that she gives her assistants a lot of rope. Most of the talent was signed without her even seeing them play. I think her best skill, however, is getting the most out of her assistants. But I don't think that can be groomed into another person either.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 1, 2010 20:38:32 GMT -5
aahhbigboy,
I am sorry but I dont believe you --- prove it. I realize Coach Robinson was instrumental in recruting when he was here. That does not mean Coach Bibbs does not recruit. You always got slip some slick x%4yy in.
I live in Frisco, TX and I know for a fact Coach Bibbs was in Dallas this summer on a recruting trip. AAU tournament at SMU.
So in your opinion what makes Coach Bibbs succesful ? And I dont want hear anything about Robinson!!!!
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 1, 2010 21:17:09 GMT -5
aahhbigboy, I am sorry but I dont believe you --- prove it. I realize Coach Robinson was instrumental in recruting when he was here. That does not mean Coach Bibbs does not recruit. You always got slip some slick x%4yy in. I live in Frisco, TX and I know for a fact Coach Bibbs was in Dallas this summer on a recruting trip. AAU tournament at SMU. So in your opinion what makes Coach Bibbs succesful ? And I dont want hear anything about Robinson!!!! OK Frisco. Recruiting 101: It is a dead period during summer AAU tourneys. You're not allowed to call, talk to a kid after a game, or have a kid on campus! All she could do was evaluate. Saying something like that to people who know what is going on automatically discredits you. Not to mention it looks bad for Bibbs. Help a sista out. And I said nothing slick. I said that up here before. It's obvious that I know people extremely close to that bench. Everything I post (unless it's pure opinion) can't be refuted (like about Bullocks eligibility which I got with one text message in 5 minutes). You can believe it or not. Why do I think she's been successful? Over the last 3 years, she's had more talent than any team in the history of the conference (Tweet, Sams, Mona, BTJ, A. Bland, Bullock, A. Calvin, Berry, Nakia, Murdaugh and the list goes on) and she gets a lot out of her assistants. To her credit, she gives proper control to the proper people and that is a leadership quality. That's why she has been successful. So, how about you Frisco? Why do you think she's been successful? I'd love to know what you think. And I don't want to hear anything about uuuuuhhh whoever.
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Post by B on Apr 2, 2010 5:02:51 GMT -5
When's the recruiting period?
Frisco. Have u been scouting texas for her?
Supposedly there are a few unsigned stars: Amber Orrange, Ronnisha Major, Britney Hardy, Krystal Forthan
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 2, 2010 10:37:28 GMT -5
i hate to even think about that! but i don't think the answer to your question is currently sitting on coach bibbs' bench. i think coach bibbs' biggest asset is her ability to recruit and that's something that you can't teach. either you have it, or you don't. to me, the first thing (but not the only thing) i'd look for in a college coach is their ability to recruit. in college athletics, that's the most important attribute, in my opinion. there's many other attributes that are important as well, but if you're a poor recruiter, then you're gonna be a poor college coach. by far, coach bibbs is the best ladies recruiter in the meac and she has all of the other intangibles to go along with it which makes her a tremendous coach. i really don't think all of her attributes can be groomed into another person. especially her ability to recruit... She doesn't recruit oleschool. She's even admitted that she gives her assistants a lot of rope. Most of the talent was signed without her even seeing them play. I think her best skill, however, is getting the most out of her assistants. But I don't think that can be groomed into another person either. aahhbigboy, that's a bunch of bull! every college head coach, barr none, recruits! are you out of your mind! let me repeat, every college head coach, "barr none", recruits! there may be instances where the head coach may not have seen them play while on the recruiting trail. but "no coach" signs a player without ever having seen them play, whether it be on video or in person. "typically", this is how the process works. the assistants go out on the recruiting trail and invites potential prospects to campus for an "offical" and/or "unofficial" visit. its the assistants job to get them interested, but its the head coaches job to close the deal. so coach bibbs is a "deal closer" and that's very important because most recruits go on several campus visits and get sales pitches from all of the head coaches. i know this for a fact because i've been through the process. coach bibbs may not physically go on the road to do all of the recruiting, but i'm sure she goes on the road for recruiting purposes. most recruits don't commit to sign until they visit campus and that's when most "head coaches" do the bulk of their recruiting. that's also when the players on the team put in their sales pitch as well. every head coach gives their assistants a lot of rope to recruit. but no head coach signs a player without ever having seen them play unless the kid is rated as a bonafide top 50 recruit or something. and even then, its still unlikely they'll sign the kid without ever seeing them play...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 2, 2010 10:43:12 GMT -5
aahhbigboy, I am sorry but I dont believe you --- prove it. I realize Coach Robinson was instrumental in recruting when he was here. That does not mean Coach Bibbs does not recruit. You always got slip some slick x%4yy in. I live in Frisco, TX and I know for a fact Coach Bibbs was in Dallas this summer on a recruting trip. AAU tournament at SMU. So in your opinion what makes Coach Bibbs succesful ? And I dont want hear anything about Robinson!!!! OK Frisco. Recruiting 101: It is a dead period during summer AAU tourneys. You're not allowed to call, talk to a kid after a game, or have a kid on campus! All she could do was evaluate. Saying something like that to people who know what is going on automatically discredits you. Not to mention it looks bad for Bibbs. Help a sista out. And I said nothing slick. I said that up here before. It's obvious that I know people extremely close to that bench. Everything I post (unless it's pure opinion) can't be refuted (like about Bullocks eligibility which I got with one text message in 5 minutes). You can believe it or not. Why do I think she's been successful? Over the last 3 years, she's had more talent than any team in the history of the conference (Tweet, Sams, Mona, BTJ, A. Bland, Bullock, A. Calvin, Berry, Nakia, Murdaugh and the list goes on) and she gets a lot out of her assistants. To her credit, she gives proper control to the proper people and that is a leadership quality. That's why she has been successful. So, how about you Frisco? Why do you think she's been successful? I'd love to know what you think. And I don't want to hear anything about uuuuuhhh whoever. aahhbigboy, that's a bunch of bull too! either you don't know what you're talking about or you told an outright lie! as a former head coach, i've coached high school varsity and national aau ball for over 15 years. i have personally experienced the college recruiting process first hand as a coach and also as a parent. so i dare you or anyone else to prove me wrong regarding what i'm about say. first of all, its a bold face lie (or ignorance) that, using your words, "It is a dead period during summer AAU tourneys." aau tourneys run throughout the entire spring/summer (march thru august). there's only 2 and a half weeks of dead periods during the entire summer. the dead periods are from april 2 to april 15 and from july 16 to july 21. that's only 2 and a half weeks! so its not true that its a dead period during summer aau tourneys. there are "evaluation" periods throughout the year that allows coaches to attend "ncaa certified" aau tournaments. so it is possible that coach bibbs could have been in texas on a recruiting trip. i've participated in "numerous" summer aau tourneys over the years and i've had the pleasure of personally meeting major d1 college head coaches like usc's dawn stanley, maryland's brenda freese, and uva's debbie ryan. you will find plenty of "head coaches" as well as assistant coaches at the aau "national championship tournaments" particularly for age groups 15 and up. there's tons of college coaches at those "national" tournaments because they get to see the top 80 to 100 aau teams in the country (thus, the top players in the country) all at one location. they get far more bang for their bucks because they don't have to travel all over the country just to see a hand full of players. they can see "virtually" every top player in the country at the aau nationals. this i know for a fact because i've coached at the nationals almost every year i coached basketball. my team finished 3rd in the nation 2 years in a row and i've had 5 other teams to finish as high as 4th in the nation to 7th in the nation. in fact, the last time i coached at the nationals before i retired, it was held in winston salem at the ljvm annex. that's where i met dawn stanley and debbie ryan. so aahhbigboy, stop making shiggidy up! the dead period is only for 2 and a half weeks during the spring/summer and it is possible that bibbs could've been in texas on a recruiting trip evaluating talent...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 2, 2010 11:12:31 GMT -5
I don't think we're saying anything different oleschool. Of course you can talk to those coaches, you're the AAU coach. I said that Bibbs couldn't talk to a kid after the game, have them on campus, or call them. That's what I call recruiting. Now, we all know the shady stuff that goes on with AAU coaches, but why is that? BECAUSE COACHES CAN'T TALK TO THE FREAKING KID! Everyone close to the game goes to those aau tourneys. But what are all the coaches doing? Evaluating and talking to other COACHES. Not recruiting. I think we're probably getting mixed up on the definition of "recruiting". Look at your post again. All you said was same thing that I said oleschool. I think you just want to argue. It's kind of like how you all swore out that Baylor was "recruiting" the girl from Florida and that was a bunch of crap. They sent her a letter and smiled. The didn't "recruit" her. That long post was a waste of time. You basically cosigned what I said about evaluation. And don't get the "dead" period confused with the "quiet" period. There's a difference.
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Post by Aggie77 on Apr 2, 2010 11:20:39 GMT -5
I don't understand the "dead period". Are coaching allowed to talk directly to the kid or parent any time other than these dead periods? I thought there was a greater restriction on direct contact than two and 1/2 weeks of the year.
Plus, I want to understand the restriction on evaluating talent. Can a coach show up an unlimited number of times at a player's game, whether high school or AAU?
What is the difference between the "dead" and "quiet" periods.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 2, 2010 11:37:04 GMT -5
So I guess evaluating talent is not considered being on the recruting trail. Is it not possible you identify talent that you are intrseted in while oberving an AAU team ? But I guess on your very narrow evalutaing is far different than recruting.
I am sorry but Oldschools post has far more credibility than yours. Again you are only twisting word and definitions as usually. She does not recruit . Please!!!
I am not in love with every thing that happens at T either but why do you waste so much energy looking for something to question.
In addition if someone sends a high school player a letter that indicates to me that you are recruting that kid. Nobody said they gave her an offer; but schools can back off of recruits just like a recruit can back off of a school. Now if Baylor sent every girls high school b-ball player in the nation a letter I would tend to agree with your analysis, but we know that aint the case!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 2, 2010 11:53:44 GMT -5
I don't think we're saying anything different oleschool. Of course you can talk to those coaches, you're the AAU coach. I said that Bibbs couldn't talk to a kid after the game, have them on campus, or call them. That's what I call recruiting. Now, we all know the shady stuff that goes on with AAU coaches, but why is that? BECAUSE COACHES CAN'T TALK TO THE FREAKING KID! Everyone close to the game goes to those aau tourneys. But what are all the coaches doing? Evaluating and talking to other COACHES. Not recruiting. I think we're probably getting mixed up on the definition of "recruiting". Look at your post again. All you said was same thing that I said oleschool. I think you just want to argue. It's kind of like how you all swore out that Baylor was "recruiting" the girl from Florida and that was a bunch of crap. They sent her a letter and smiled. The didn't "recruit" her. That long post was a waste of time. You basically cosigned what I said about evaluation. And don't get the "dead" period confused with the "quiet" period. There's a difference. c'mon, aahhbigboy! you're playing on words! you said "dead period" which means "evaluating" in person on any level is "illegal". you tried to imply that she couldn't have been in texas because of the so called "dead period" rule and that's just not true. "evaluating" is the very first part of recruiting. you have to evaluate recruits before you decide to pursue them or not. it is an essential part of the recruiting process, so by definition if she was there evaluating, it was a recruiting trip. and who do you think you're debating with? someone who doesn't know? of course i know the difference between "dead period" vs. "quiet period". during a "dead period", virtually "all" recruiting activities are temporarily shut down. whereas during a "quiet period", "in-person" recruiting activities are permitted but limited to on campus contact. what else would you like to know? like i said, i've been thru the process numerous times and i know how it works. there's a whole lot more to the regulations involved with recruiting but i can't explain it all here. but no question you were trying to say coach bibbs couldn't have been in texas for recruiting purposes because of a "dead period" and that's simply not true...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 2, 2010 11:57:57 GMT -5
So I guess evaluating talent is not considered being on the recruting trail. Is it not possible you identify talent that you are intrseted in while oberving an AAU team ? But I guess on your very narrow evalutaing is far different than recruting. I am sorry but Oldschools post has far more credibility than yours. Again you are only twisting word and definitions as usually. She does not recruit . Please!!! I am not in love with every thing that happens at T either but why do you waste so much energy looking for something to question. In addition if someone sends a high school player a letter that indicates to me that you are recruting that kid. Nobody said they gave her an offer; but schools can back off of recruits just like a recruit can back off of a school. Now if Baylor sent every girls high school b-ball player in the nation a letter I would tend to agree with your analysis, but we know that aint the case! Dude, you sound soooooo uninformed. Everybody evaluates at aau tournaments and I'm pretty sure Bibbs was there doing just that. You can do that all year and not talk to anyone. lol And Baylor sends out dozens and dozens of letters a year man. I know the former aggie (do your homework) that is affiliated with Butler and asked her personally about the kid in question. Getting a letter is NOT recruitment (you can't be serious). I'm not sure where you're coming from about not being happy what happens at T. I'm not complaining about anything. And you forgot to answer the question about why you think Bibbs has been successful.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 2, 2010 12:17:38 GMT -5
I don't see what the debate here is.
Bibbs' accomplishments are historic and legendary. She is won big everywhere she's been. She has built dominant programs from the ground up everywhere she's been. She has beaten bigger schools who have much larger budgets everywhere she's been. She has won with a diverse group of assistant coaches.
Bibbs did not start winning games or getting great players in 2005. The teams she had back at Grambling would probably beat this year's A&T team worse than LSU did. That was when she really had Beatdowns Unlimited.
Regardless of what folks on a message board think about her, no one can refute her resume or her proven formula for excellence.
So what are we arguing about here?
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 2, 2010 12:24:11 GMT -5
I don't think we're saying anything different oleschool. Of course you can talk to those coaches, you're the AAU coach. I said that Bibbs couldn't talk to a kid after the game, have them on campus, or call them. That's what I call recruiting. Now, we all know the shady stuff that goes on with AAU coaches, but why is that? BECAUSE COACHES CAN'T TALK TO THE FREAKING KID! Everyone close to the game goes to those aau tourneys. But what are all the coaches doing? Evaluating and talking to other COACHES. Not recruiting. I think we're probably getting mixed up on the definition of "recruiting". Look at your post again. All you said was same thing that I said oleschool. I think you just want to argue. It's kind of like how you all swore out that Baylor was "recruiting" the girl from Florida and that was a bunch of crap. They sent her a letter and smiled. The didn't "recruit" her. That long post was a waste of time. You basically cosigned what I said about evaluation. And don't get the "dead" period confused with the "quiet" period. There's a difference. c'mon, aahhbigboy! you're playing on words! you said "dead period" which means "evaluating" in person on any level is "illegal". you tried to imply that she couldn't have been in texas because of the so called "dead period" rule and that's just not true. "evaluating" is the very first part of recruiting. you have to evaluate recruits before you decide to pursue them or not. it is an essential part of the recruiting process, so by definition if she was there evaluating, it was a recruiting trip. and who do you think you're debating with? someone who doesn't know? of course i know the difference between "dead period" vs. "quiet period". during a "dead period", virtually "all" recruiting activities are temporarily shut down. whereas during a "quiet period", "in-person" recruiting activities are permitted but limited to on campus contact. what else would you like to know? like i said, i've been thru the process numerous times and i know how it works. there's a whole lot more to the regulations involved with recruiting but i can't explain it all here. but no question you were trying to say coach bibbs couldn't have been in texas for recruiting purposes because of a "dead period" and that's simply not true... I don't think I'm debating with you oleschool and I never said that she wasn't in Texas. I was saying that she likely was there but not actively "recruiting". Now, I'm not claiming to know the contact, dead, quiet, and evaluation periods in and out like the back of my hand. But I do know that no one is coming in contact with these kids during this time (in-person off campus). I said something wrong too. I think that you can actually call during the dead and quiet periods and I said before that you couldn't. But the dead period essentially states that you can't have any in-person contact with the recruit. What is really silly about this exchange is that we don't even know the dates Frisco was talking about. lol It could have been during the evaluation period and I admit that maybe I should have asked before I spoke on it.
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