aggie62
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Post by aggie62 on Dec 31, 2008 19:11:27 GMT -5
In term of betterment, my thoughts are TOTALLY with A&T's football program and not with Ragsdale's career or Lee's career or anyone else's career. So let's get off this PERSONAL LOVE FEST for Ragsdale and get back to the idea of finding us a great football coach. I want to experience many more thrills of victory and as oppose to our recent agonies of defeat.
Also when hiring a coach, I wouldn't give anyone an upper hand because he/she is an Aggie. We went down that path with Coach Small and that turned out to be a TOTAL FAILURE.
Happy New Year to All.........................
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 31, 2008 19:36:21 GMT -5
Lee's resume. You be the judge. www.morganstatebears.com/coaches.aspx?rc=151&path=foot
Alonzo Lee Eastern Illinois, 1982Alonzo Lee enters his third season with Morgan State, serving in a dual capacity as the Bears’ defensive coordinator and linebackers coach. The Bears made significant strides as a defensive unit under his leadership and in 2007 MSU finished as the league’s No. 1 total defense (267.0/g; ranked No. 2 in the FCS) while holding opponents to 20.5 points per game. Lee’s defense was also ranked No. 1 in the MEAC against the run (130.9) and ranked No. 1 in sacks (36). In addition, the Bears also completed the season ranked No. 1 in the nation in pass defense (136.1/g)Lee came to MSU from North Carolina A&T where he served as defensive coordinator and linebackers coach for the Aggies. Lee has won MEAC Championships as an assistant at four different MEAC schools. At two of those schools – Hampton and North Carolina A&T – he was the assistant head coach. Prior to working at North Carolina A&T, Lee spent five years at Howard as its assistant head coach and defensive coordinator. During his 8-year tenure at Florida A&M, he was responsible for coaching the linebackers (4 yrs), defensive backs (3 yrs) and handled duties as strength and conditioning coach and special teams coordinator. At Hampton, Lee worked as the Pirates defensive coordinator and assistant head coach for six years. In 2003, North Carolina A&T finished as the league’s No. 1 defense, and ranked in the NCAA I-AA in the following categories: 3rd in the nation in total defense, 3rd in pass defense, 6th in turnovers gained and 15th in scoring defense. During his last season season the Aggies ranked 3rd in pass defense, 4th in sacks and 4th in not allowing their opponents to convert third downs. Lee maintains a reputation as an outstanding coach and as a man of exceptional leadership capability. He spent six seasons at Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference rival Hampton University, where under his tutelage, the Pirates ranked as one of the top defensive teams in the country. In 1998, Lee was honored as the National Assistant Coach of the Year for NCAA Division I-AA Football. In 2001 he was honored by the All-America Football Foundation as an Outstanding Assistant Coach. A native of Washington, DC, Lee graduated from Dunbar Senior High School in Washington, DC. In 1977, Lee joined current Hampton Head Coach Joe Taylor at Eastern Illinois University, where he participated in two NCAA II National Championship games, winning one in 1978. He was a three-year captain and led the team in tackles his senior season and was selected as All-American in the same season. Born January 15, 1958, Lee and his wife, Severia, reside in Washington, DC and have four sons, Alonzo Jr., Vernon, Joshua and Jamil. As linebackers coach, Lee’s development of players at that position has been critical to the success of the Bears defense. In 2007, linebacker Bryan Wilson earned first-team All-MEAC honors and was selected as a free agent by the Washington Redskins.
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Post by wart on Dec 31, 2008 20:15:16 GMT -5
No one is thin skinned , I hope we get a coach who will make A&T a winner again. With all that being said and the mutiny that has been stated ,I only hope you get the coach you desire. Also, I really feel this a "Lee love fest"
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 31, 2008 21:58:31 GMT -5
Mutiny? You lost me with that one. We will just have to agree to disagree here.
As far as a "Lee Love Fest," believe you me, everyone on this board will tell you he was never on my list of preferred candidates - not by a long shot.
I take this strictly from a business management point of view. I have only X dollars to work with and I wish to spend it wisely but need the best qualified person available who must have a very short learning curve to master the situation as quickly as possible then this is the standard business measurement that has to be used.
If I am hiring someone for position in my department based on facts and not sentiment then I do so based upon their body of work during their entire career versus rather we share the same alma mater, or interests, or rather I feel some loyalty because he or she has temporarily filled in for an intolerable role for me while it was vacant. You reward that in a different way but not with a promotion.
The effort may have been there for that short period it was needed but you must hire people based upon their long term probability of success based on the given the circumstances by which they will have to navigate bad waters in order to change the direction of the ship and to get it to go where you want it to go.
I'm sorry but working experience with a proven track record trumps a nice effort and good intentions every time if you plan on getting maximum return on your investment.
This isn't American Idol. This is college football and college football is a business.
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Post by wart on Jan 1, 2009 11:26:45 GMT -5
Several people said if it's Rags then they would look elsewhere. Again, I have my choice but either man has a heckuva job in front of him. Both of these men have their supporters and some are going to be happy and others upset. But Wheeler is the AD and he has made the decision, he will live with it, and we will support it.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 1, 2009 11:30:18 GMT -5
I don't understand. Do you mean players on this team are saying that they are going to look elsewhere for another school if Ragsdale is the coach?
Please clarify.
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Post by wart on Jan 1, 2009 20:04:48 GMT -5
Through some conversations mainly upper classmen who are uneasy with a new man. If Lee does get the position, he needs to keep Ragsdale on board for solidarity as was suggested previously. That way maybe everyone would consider the search a success. And maybe you should give Wheeler some credit with his interviews and what he ha dto offer at this time.
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Post by coach205 on Jan 2, 2009 9:20:22 GMT -5
All the players shoule be uneasy. Because with a new coach comes new direction and there is no rule that says he has to keep anybody. So basically all the players will be interviewing for a job. Is it right no. But this goes on everywhere when a new coach is trying to free up scholarships to get kids in that fit what he wants to do. So there will be some casualties unfortunately and that's part of the game.
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Post by Aggie One on Jan 2, 2009 10:41:36 GMT -5
Well said.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2009 10:53:19 GMT -5
It can be argued that the loser mentality and lack of discipline that Fobbs and company said they encountered when they arrived in 2006 was actually created during the period when Lee was the defensive coordinator, assistant head coach and a top recruiter here back under the Small regime.
The one thing Fobbs and members of his staff have always stated was that there was not a good foundation in place - in terms of overall talent and attitude - when they got here. I don't know how true that is, but if it is true then how much blame should be assigned to the guy who was assistant head coach then?
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Post by aggiejazz on Jan 2, 2009 11:13:36 GMT -5
It can be argued that the loser mentality and lack of discipline that Fobbs and company said they encountered when they arrived in 2006 was actually created during the period when Lee was the defensive coordinator, assistant head coach and a top recruiter here back under the Small regime. The one thing Fobbs and members of his staff have always stated was that there was not a good foundation in place - in terms of overall talent and attitude - when they got here. I don't know how true that is, but if it is true then how much blame should be assigned to the guy who was assistant head coach then? Small won three games and lost six games by an average of one touchdown. Fobbs won none and was blown out by almost 4 touchdowns in every game taking over the same team two months later. Enough said.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2009 11:21:34 GMT -5
So are you saying that Fobbs and his coaching staff were just making excuses when they said that the foundation of this program was not strong when they arrived?
I remember when I interviewed Fobbs prior to his first season and he told me that he thought the cupboard was left pretty bare.
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Post by bluehaze on Jan 2, 2009 12:06:56 GMT -5
Yeah, he also didn't think Billingsly could play cornerback. Hard to say who was the real judge of talent. I remember the year Small was fired, he said he had a bunch of young kids that were going to be ready to go. How many stuck around after the new regime??
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Post by jaffejoffa on Jan 2, 2009 13:25:59 GMT -5
<quote>All the players shoule be uneasy. Because with a new coach comes new direction and there is no rule that says he has to keep anybody. So basically all the players will be interviewing for a job. Is it right no. But this goes on everywhere when a new coach is trying to free up scholarships to get kids in that fit what he wants to do. So there will be some casualties unfortunately and that's part of the game. <quote>
-Thats B.S and I'll tell you why ..
Coach205..This is the d1aa college football, not the NFL or even high major ball .. You cant just cut your talent and key role players and expect to just go out and get a huge plethora of cats that can make plays immediatley. You guys didnt try to develop or cultivate the talent that you had..It was like if you didnt think someone could be a starter, or had a personal issue with them, you cut em'..The key to winning at a small university is teaching and developing fundamentals, and finding and MAKING diamonds in the rough. A&T cant afford to let go of a decent, coachable player because its not so easy to go out and find an 18 yr old thats gonna be head and shoulders better. I think Fobbs & Co. learned that the hard way. None of our d1 transfers or juco guys were any better than the guys that could have and should have been on that roster. I believe that our special teams were so poor because alot of the "glue" guys that could have contributed were amongst the "casualties"...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2009 13:28:03 GMT -5
Interesting observation. I also wondered why we could never get the special team units right.
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