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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 31, 2008 9:14:43 GMT -5
No you don't , Dooms. You just want chaos.
You have already given up any hope of A&T ever getting to the next level and being a playoff contender. Now you just want to make sure everyone shares the same bleak outlook that you possess. You have stated numerous times on this board that your ultimate wish would be for A&T to move down to D-2
You are like the Joker character in the Dark Knight. Some men can't be reasoned with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. And with the Joker, there was always a bunch of weak minded followers who were eager to carry out his chaos.
Personally, I will begin volunteering at the Help Center and writing the great American novel before I just sit idly by and watch this football program continue to suck. Maybe me and Trues will catch up with y'all at Homecoming every year.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 31, 2008 9:24:55 GMT -5
You have already given up any hope of A&T ever getting to the next level and being a playoff contender... You have stated numerous times on this board that your ultimate wish would be for A&T to move down to D-2... ...in order to be a playoff contender. It's amazing you'd compare me to the joker yet you lack any sense of sane reasoning. Well, the sooner you get to the Help Center (and get some help) the better.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 31, 2008 9:51:45 GMT -5
A&T fans have had to sit through 5 consecutive losing seasons, none of which resulted in more than 3 wins and two of which ended with a record of 0-11. In four of those 5 seasons we finished dead last in the conference. We also suffered the worst single game loss ever in school history on national TV and became the laughingstock of black college football. In those 5 years we have not won a single Homecoming game and if not for a miracle 50 yard kick in the final seconds we would have been completely winless against our arch rival. For 5 years this administration has asked its fan base to remain patient and keep the faith and continue to support the team. Despite zero promotion and marketing, this university has asked its fans to trust in its leaders and keep their Aggie Pride. For the most part, the majority of A&T fans have done just that. And now after 5 years of the worst period of futility in school history we have an opportunity to bring in a new coach and turn things around .... and we get either George Ragsdale or Alonzo Lee? ? After 5 years are suffering, that is what we have been waiting for? George Ragsdale or Alonzo Lee??
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 31, 2008 10:25:24 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by wart on Dec 31, 2008 11:19:09 GMT -5
Come on people, I said it would be tough to entice a "name" to come to A&T at the present time. Everyone of us wants to win and whoever the new coach is he will also. If it's Lee or my preference Rags (the Aggie), They both are hard workers and deserve an opportunity. The more we stress, the more we spread discontent and that does no one any good.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 31, 2008 11:30:07 GMT -5
Now, I was real quick to let my disgust at the hiring of Fobbs be known, and I stuck with it. the difference here (in my opinion) is that we're downing a guy that led the number one defense in the nation in our division. Not in our conference, in our division. It was number two last year. He's been coaching for years. I think he's proven enough to be afforded a grace period. I even felt that Small had proven enough to be given a grace period even though he had an under .500 record when hired. Fobbs hadn't proven a thing other than he could recruit a running back and lead a drill.
Lee was coaching when Small was playing. I honestly believe this will turn out like Ralph Friedgen at Maryland if we hire Lee. Fridgen was an assistant for over 30 years before Maryland finally decided to hire him and he responded by winning in double digits his first three years. Prior to Maryland he was a coordinator at a conference rival...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 31, 2008 11:30:27 GMT -5
So wart, now after 5 years of utter futility and embarrassment we should just settle with hiring Lee or Ragsdale because we don't want to stress out any more and spread discontent?
That is going to do us some good?
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 31, 2008 12:39:22 GMT -5
Let's cut all the crap just this once. This is the point guys. We are not in a position to go high dollar for a big name coach which that everyone can talk about and and get all excited about. I clearly remember when we hired Bill Hayes half of the alumni didn't want him because he was considered too young (44 at the time) too crass in his public statements, and did not have "a professional enough of image" to represent A&T and although he had turned WSSU around many figured he could not and would not survive here.
Well he did that and then some. He thrived here and like him or not, the guy became the winningnest coach of all time at A&T, 3 MEAC titles and a Black College National Championship and a ton of wins against our most hated rivals. Sure he had his faults and playoff woes but every decent HBCU coach does given the financial limitations of our programs.
We are now in somewhat the same boat as we were in 1988 - going through two coaches in six years in McKinley and Forte, way more losses than wins, lagging attendance, players disenfranchised, and near the bottom of the heap in the MEAC with a new AD to make the most important decision he can make in hiring a football coach.
Let's be realistic here. Unless we magically come up with another two million dollars we are not going to be in the class of an App State or Richmond but we can be as good as SCSU or FAMU, and perhaps in time even better.
I would love to see a Broadway, a Frazier, a Monroe, or even a Webster be named next week but I doubt that will happen given our budget limitations.
What I don't want is for us to get so caught up in brand names that we overlook a very competent coordinator(s) with a boatload of experience under winning coaches in winning programs that is willing to take on the task of turning A&T back into what it one was just a few years ago - someone you as an opposing coach didn't want to see on your schedule the next week.
This will not be an overnight deal in turning around a program but a solid coach with a competent staff can get this team to a respectable 7-4 level by year two and that is not a pipe dream. Hayes took over in '88 and went 2-9, then 5-6, then 9-2 and the rest is history. It can be done and Hayes had a whole lot less to work with back then than the new guy will when he is named next week.
So if it is Lee, I'll can live with that because I know there is a competence level there that we did not have the last two times out when we picked a head coach. Even though I have doubts with Rags, if he is surrounded by the right people and the right staff, he could possibly get something moving again as well.
Webster is the last "big name" out there but I would be shocked if he left TSU. Coaches that are winning in good standing at their schools are not going to risk it all by going into a land mine filled program, no matter how nice it looks from the outside, that is 2-28 over the last three years and has a penchant for firing coaches and a fan base with little or no patience.
Hire Lee. I think you'll be surprised.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 31, 2008 13:08:38 GMT -5
The comments of some on this board are so amusing. U guys act as if our job is the marquee job in America.
Think about for a second. Since 99, we have fired 3 AD's, and 3 Football coaches. That isn't exactly a welcome sign for anyone to come into. If i was looking at he position, I would be leery as well. For us this is our passion, but u have to remember your talking about someone uprooting their family to come here. And I can't say If I was a coach, I would do it with the recent history of treatment of the Football coaches
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Post by wart on Dec 31, 2008 14:08:48 GMT -5
Thrilla, just continue griping and complaining. That always solves the problem. Thanks to some of you who are finally seeing the truth. Let's just support the new coach and wish him well.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 31, 2008 16:27:15 GMT -5
You're right, wart. Instead of voicing our concerns we should hire Ragsdale because he is your good friend and he is an A&T hall of famer. Perfect reasons to make him our next coach.
Disregard the fact that no other non-HBCU school would probably even have him on their staff as even a position coach. Disregard the fact that no other school on this planet (PWC or HBCU) would ever consider making him the head coach.
Disregard the fact that 90 percent of his resume has been based on his connection to either Mo Forte or his alma mater, North Carolina A&T. Therefore, since Mo Forte is out of work and the coach who hired Ragsdale got fired, A&T should have no problem giving their native son the keys to the shop even though the football team is at rock bottom and there is nothing is his resume that says he is remotely capable of building a dominant program.
Don't get me wrong, I am sure he is a great guy. The few times I have spoken with him he always struck me as being sincere, passionate, knowledgeable and kind.
However, my best friend forever (BFF) is a guy named Dooms. He and his wife are the godparents to my only son. And with that being said there is no way I would put the fate of the athletic department in his hands because I don't think he is qualified enough to run our athletic department.
Just because you like a guy does not mean they should be hired for a position they are not qualified for.
The fact that Ragsdale is even being considered for this job is an insult to all serious-minded A&T fans everywhere.
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Post by wart on Dec 31, 2008 17:10:22 GMT -5
I could care less if Ragsdale is my good friend or not. BUT if sincere ,knowledgeable,passionate, that's a pretty sound resume'. I just believe at this point he deserves the oppotunity. Lee a good guy also, but I feel Rags is the better fit. If you and others don't that's fine but I am entitled to an opinion
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Post by wart on Dec 31, 2008 17:26:38 GMT -5
And one more OPINION, if you don't want constructive conversations then why have a board. I was under the impression that you could voice your thoughts and then discuss.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 31, 2008 17:41:41 GMT -5
First of all, this is not "my" board.
Yes, I created bluedeathvalley.com, but this message board and website have taken a life of their own and really belong to the fans of A&T. In a sense, my boss is the A&T football fan. It is a job I take very seriously.
Secondly, when have I ever stated or even implied that you or anyone else were not free to voice your opinion or give constructive or even nonconstructive criticism on this site. If that was the case I would have banned that clown Aggie Paul long time ago.
I have never restricted your power to post on this site or get anything you want off your chest. This message board is one of the few places you have a chance to make the ridiculous argument that George Radsdale is qualified enough to be the next head football coach at A&T.
However, if you make such an assertion, I and other people who read this site have the equal right to voice our disagreement.
By all means, please continue to voice your thoughts and discuss. Just don't get thin skinned if the ensuing discussion is not what you hoped for.
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Post by Brandmasta on Dec 31, 2008 18:22:23 GMT -5
Rags deserves a chance. The opportunity would be the best thing for Ragsdale's career....but would it be best for A&T at this time? Our loyalty and concern should be to A&T and the program, not an individual coach, no matter how much we like him.
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