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Post by Bigboy on Nov 21, 2005 18:23:35 GMT -5
Man, some of you guys have raked Small thru the mud all season and now you wish that he lands on his feet, give me a "lunch break". Sounds like some of you are full of that "stuff that stinks". I hope the next coach get treated better than Small.
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Post by ecograd on Nov 21, 2005 19:17:57 GMT -5
Bigboy...you think coach Small was treated badly? I don't. Failing to meet expectations as a coach is no different than with any other job. If you can't hack it, you're terminated...period. Small knows the deal. A smart coach, as with a smart executive, will choose people (assistants) around him with strengths in areas of weakness, in areas that need the most support and guidance...and he holds them accountable. If the assistants are not performing, the coach takes action. Small failed miserably in monitoring and directing his staff, and he's paying the price.
I too, wish coach Small well. I have always heard that he is a decent and kind man. He just can't seem to coach at the D1 level.
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Post by Maxell on Nov 21, 2005 19:57:07 GMT -5
Bigboy, I love you as a fellow Aggie but....you're responding just like Coach Small would . He did not take personal responsibility for shat these last two years! Even on the day he is fired, he blames "resources". Independent of results, do you want someone like that running an organization for you? I don't.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 21, 2005 20:46:03 GMT -5
I question that quote about "wishing I had more." It reads like it was taken completely out of context. Daniels probably hung up the phone just as coach was saying "time"; as in, I wish I had more time.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Nov 22, 2005 9:46:30 GMT -5
For Mr. dj98; My knowledge of the rule comes from years of experience in the field. But everyone seems to have gotten what they wanted which was Small's head, so I'm out. Later.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 22, 2005 9:54:48 GMT -5
4x, I think James Bell at JSU got the same deal Small did. From what I understand it was a five year deal with an option after year three, right? It actually would've worked out well if he'd won the 10 games this year because he could re-negro-tiate (joke) the contract in his favor.
Was he not given the option for a standard four or five year deal? If not, just like T.O. he really didn't have to sign the thing. Dream job or not I wouldn't have taken it without some straight up guarantees in my favor. Especially not after seeing how his predecessor was shown the door. If the next guy has any sense, he will probably nail us to a good contract in his favor or he won't sign. If he doesn' have sense the fool will sign anything and we probably should be wary of him in the first place.
scotthallb, I didn't say the man fell flat on his face. You did. I said the dream went horribly awry, which it did. I didn't say he wouldn't find another, and probably a better job. I said this one didn't work out. I didn't post to have you argue semantics with me.
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Post by dj98 on Nov 22, 2005 10:06:29 GMT -5
(For Mr. dj98; My knowledge of the rule comes from years of experience in the field. But everyone seems to have gotten what they wanted which was Small's head, so I'm out. Later.)
Like I said before, You cannot win the MEAC one year then have two losing seasons after the title. Let me ask you a question Do you think A&T would have had a winning season if we have stayed with smnalls
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Post by aggienowwhat on Nov 22, 2005 10:13:16 GMT -5
This academic year, A&T will spend 55 percent of the money it could conceivably spend on football scholarships under NCAA rules. While the maximum is predicated on the implausible assumption that all players would be from out of state, the 55 percent figure is almost certainly near the bottom of the MEAC.
Norfolk State (70 percent of the theoretical maximum) and Morgan State (74 percent), two programs known to have smaller recruiting budgets than A&T, both fund scholarships at considerably higher levels.
Do any of you understand what that means...at the I-AA level you can have a max. of 65 scholarships to cover 82 players....so we only had about 35 or 40 guys on money....and that's not on fulls but some kind of money...read that report and then you know what Coach Small meant. And we know she is going to bring someone in here that she has some kind of ties to and that has no ties to Us.
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Post by da heretic on Nov 22, 2005 11:44:34 GMT -5
Well, somebody's lyin. From what little bit I know, A&T fully funds the 63 scholarship limit. Also, Del State funds only 45 scholarship players...they've whupped our a$$ the last two seasons. Wofford also funds 45 scholarships...2003 playoff game: Wofford 31 A&T 10. small's just not a good coach. Scholarships wasn't the problem.
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Post by popdad on Nov 22, 2005 13:05:58 GMT -5
. Best of luck to Coach Small. That man is a class act and a good man. Every time I saw him or spoke to him he was very friendly and always put a smile on my face despite the circumstances. He's one of the very few coaches I've interacted with that didn't make me feel I needed to take a shower to wash off the sleeze after I'd been in his presence. And yes I am including the coaches that coached me during my scholastic career in that assessment. Anybody on this board over 15 probably has had a dream something or other go horribly awry and had to start over. I know I have and so I empathize with him. I pray he and the staff all land on their feet and I pray that we continue to welcome them with open arms to any event we see them. Well said Dooms, I too think allot of Coach Smalls as a person and I wish him well. I did from time to time try to deflect him being criticized on this board like he was, but I understand the frustrations of being a fan in our situation (2004-5 football season). Now that it's over and done with, we should all join Dooms and at least wish him luck.
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Post by Maxell on Nov 22, 2005 13:06:18 GMT -5
This is the man that answered the call when his alma mater needed him. For him not to get the time necessary to get the job done is really a shame. The norm is 4 or 5 years, not three. The rule of thumb is to evaluate when your first recruiting class graduates. He's the one that signed the contract.
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Post by aggienowwhat on Nov 22, 2005 19:14:07 GMT -5
If you really want to know what has gone on inside this year...why not just ask...i have talked to someone close to the program and the truth of the matter is the money isn't there...the budget that was released in the paper regarding football program and the other teams in conference is right...and in order for us to hire a coach for the i-a level to take this job he will not leave his current job for less than $150k that's what he is making there. He isn't going to come in here with a recruiting budget under $100k and he will not come in here and only can recruit in state and still not have his full alotment of schorlarships...He if can get 63 in state and use half 1/3 of that on out of state guys then we can hit the JC and the transfers up to get us to an instant winner...if not then winning around here will be along time coming...we will look good but playing good...we will not have the players to get it done.
There was also some back stabing going on as well and it had nothing to do with the guys that were let go....The question is what makes you keep those three and not anyone of the others....if like you said before it was cause there were 1st year guys....that can't be true cause the other DB coach just got here from Alabama...then was it cause of money...the guys that were left , where they the guys making the least on the staff...and if so then the whole thing has to do with money....take a deeper look into the whole thing...
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Post by TOPPDOGG on Nov 22, 2005 19:52:36 GMT -5
Both of the part-time assistants have been made full-time assistants. At least until the new head coach is hired. It will be his call as to who stays on and who doesn't.
Do we need more scholarship and recruiting money. Yes. Is the situation as bad as the News & Record suggests. No.
1. We aren't going to fund 63 out-of-state scholarships because there are over 8 million people in NC. In addition, NC is among the fastest growing states in the country.
2. The recruiting budget should be larger. However, we do have ample recruiting ground in our own state. Moreover, we have easy and cheap access to VA, D.C. and SC. We can get by with a lower budget.
I heard from the AD's mouth that we currently fund 50 in-state scholarships and 13 out-of -state scholarships. We do fund a full 63 scholarships. I'll prove it below:
The News & Record states that we fund 55% of the total potential and theoretical amount on scholarships. That theoretical potential equals $462,609 ($7,343 (out-of-state tuition) * 63 scholarships (NCAA I-AA limit)). If we fund 55% that equals $254,435.
Now let's do the math 13 out-of-state scholarships equals $95,459. 50 in-state scholarships ($3,382) equals $169,100. Add the two sums together and it totals $264,559. There's hardly any difference between what the AD reported to me and what the N&R reported. However, the N&R's spin makes it appear that poor coach Small was working with a short supply of scholarships.
That's simply not the case.
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Post by exterminator on Nov 22, 2005 21:00:54 GMT -5
Good math TOPPDOGG, I may have to add you to my tax firm. ;D
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Post by Gator on Nov 23, 2005 10:17:22 GMT -5
Aggieonwhat,
What's the basis for your conclusions? Obviously, TD has refuted what you've stated. How do you know no coach(A1) will take the job under the current circumstances?
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