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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 27, 2023 21:32:43 GMT -5
Oh, how blessed we are for getting into the CAA 10 years ahead of time. 0-8 in football.... 0-20 in basketball.... He'll make a way.... 2022 mens basketball was 8 - 10 in CAA conference play.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 27, 2023 21:33:06 GMT -5
This is a terrible move as it pertains to institutional and athletics fit
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Post by The Professor on Nov 28, 2023 1:25:48 GMT -5
What is the CAA going to do in response? What schools are the potential replacement list? Also the twitter comments are annoying. I would think Gardner Webb would get a phone call.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 28, 2023 7:15:26 GMT -5
This is a terrible move as it pertains to institutional and athletics fit What's scary is that is the kind of budget and infrastructure we are competing against this year in the CAA.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 28, 2023 8:50:12 GMT -5
This is a terrible move as it pertains to institutional and athletics fit What's scary is that is the kind of budget and infrastructure we are competing against this year in the CAA. To me, this is showing that perhaps the wide net of the NCAA may not be best to govern Collegiate athletics in its current form. I mean, teams that spend like Delaware should've been forced to be FBS many moons ago. And on the opposite side of that coin, many HBCUS that aren't spending even $10 million on athletics perhaps would be better served either back in the NAIA or a lower NCAA division. Now, I know that controversy that will cause saying that publicly. However, it seems we're moving in that direction and much faster than expected or even realized by many casual college football and college basketball fans.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Nov 28, 2023 9:57:59 GMT -5
What is the CAA going to do in response? What schools are the potential replacement list? Also the twitter comments are annoying. Ummmmm....Does the CAA have to respond? The CAA had like 16 football playing schools, the largest FCS league in the country. If they want a replacement I'm sure they can find one. We are in uncertain times in D1 athletics. Schools and conferences have to do what is best for them. UD has been rumored to be exploring a move to FBS for some time now...and their fans and alumni have long wanted this move from what I can tell, and they will fund it...the school already has a $48 million athletics budget and excellent facilities with even more improvement on the way. They have nothing else left to do or prove at the FCS level...and they decided to move on. Just like other CAA schools that moved on. From what I can tell and what I have seen over the past year the CAA is a better league than the MEAC and the Big South... period. Man you need to stay off twitter...that stuff will make your mind mush. UD was one of the best FCS programs in the country...and it hurts to lose them, but the best FCS programs tend to move up to FBS...it should be expected. If folks think losing the CAA "watered" down the CAA, then what did the loss of so many schools do to the Big South? Ask yourself how many Big South schools made it to the FCS playoffs? By my count just one Gardner-Webb...the same Gardner-Webb we played and lost to for the championship last year...the same Gardener Web that lost in the first round over the weekend. How well do you think we would have done in that league this year? Ask yourself how many MEAC schools made it the the FCS playoffs this year? By my count just one nccu...the same nccu that "dragged" us up and down the field...the same nccu that won a number of OOC game against CAA schools, but in the end lost in the first round of the playoffs against Richmond, a CAA school. Both teams are schools we lost to during the season. The MEAC will also send its conference champ Howard (which has a worse record than nccu) to the Celebration Bowl. This is a team that lost to Hampton, a CAA school (who also also beat us this year). How do you think we would have done in the MEAC this year? The CAA sent 4 teams to the playoffs, and by my count 4 still have a shot at the title. Which of all those conferences is the best...IJS !! Our problems aren't what league we play in...our problems are...well we have discussed our problems to no end on this site, so I'm not going to bring that into this thread. We need to improve our product, consistently finish in the top half of the CAA, and the rest will take care of itself. What Delaware is doing should not be our concern. They are moving up...I could see if they were making more of a lateral move to another FCS league...but they moving to FBS. How many schools have gone FBS out of the MEAC or the Big South? Y'all need to stop trippin'
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Nov 28, 2023 10:13:19 GMT -5
What's scary is that is the kind of budget and infrastructure we are competing against this year in the CAA. To me, this is showing that perhaps the wide net of the NCAA may not be best to govern Collegiate athletics in its current form. I mean, teams that spend like Delaware should've been forced to be FBS many moons ago. And on the opposite side of that coin, many HBCUS that aren't spending even $10 million on athletics perhaps would be better served either back in the NAIA or a lower NCAA division. Now, I know that controversy that will cause saying that publicly. However, it seems we're moving in that direction and much faster than expected or even realized by many casual college football and college basketball fans. Very true...like it or not, but at the D1 level folks hands are being forced. Delaware (and schools like them) for many years has been an "outlier" in FCS sports. I would argue that it's not a matter of "we" shouldn't be competing with them, but "they" shouldn't be competing with "us". Schools may have their reasons for moving on, but FCS schools across the country and within that CAA with $30-$40 million dollar budgets will have some serious questions to ask themselves in regards to staying FCS.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 28, 2023 10:14:26 GMT -5
You know what... After seeing the future C-USA map, it seems that they really need a team as a travel partner for FIU. I wonder if FAMU's President and the Florida BOT would consider becoming the 12th member?
Hmm...
In this era of College Athletics, throw out all common sense.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 28, 2023 10:20:38 GMT -5
To me, this is showing that perhaps the wide net of the NCAA may not be best to govern Collegiate athletics in its current form. I mean, teams that spend like Delaware should've been forced to be FBS many moons ago. And on the opposite side of that coin, many HBCUS that aren't spending even $10 million on athletics perhaps would be better served either back in the NAIA or a lower NCAA division. Now, I know that controversy that will cause saying that publicly. However, it seems we're moving in that direction and much faster than expected or even realized by many casual college football and college basketball fans. Very true...like it or not, but at the D1 level folks hands are being forced. Delaware (and schools like them) for many years has been an "outlier" in FCS sports. I would argue that it's not a matter of "we" shouldn't be competing with them, but "they" shouldn't be competing with "us". Schools may have their reasons for moving on, but FCS schools across the country and within that CAA with $30-$40 million dollar budgets will have some serious questions to ask themselves in regards to staying FCS. That's why Delaware made the jump. They're seeing more and more of the peers in FBS positioning themselves for the eventual creation of a 3rd subdivision or the CFP/P4 Conferences breaking away to do their own thing. The final remaining FCS "big boys (the Montana schools and the Dakotas) need to decide if they are going to be in position to potentially backfill the future MWC deflections to the Pac. IMHO, all 6 of the schools could and perhaps should move up together in some sort of mega package deal. But that will really, really hurt FCS and create a vacuum that may not be filled. But back to UD... Delaware is on the same level as UConn and UMass. Speaking of which, if you're an Alumnus of Richmond, Villanova, or W&M, you gotta to be wondering if they need to be clamoring for a P5 invite. All 3 spend over $7 million in football
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Nov 28, 2023 10:39:05 GMT -5
Look the in formation this article posted shortly after Monmouth decided to join the CAA. As Monmouth athletics shift to Colonial Athletic Association, a deep dive into the move"According to a USA Today review of athletic department budgets and expenses for the 2019-20 fiscal year, Delaware tops the CAA with an annual athletic budget of $47.9 million. James Madison, leaving the CAA for the Sun Belt Conference to play FBS football, had been No. 1 at $58.2 million.By contrast, Monmouth, not included in the USA Today analysis, had an athletic budget of approximately $17 million according to former athletic director Marilyn McNeil in a November 2019 interview with the Asbury Park Press.
Among other CAA schools listed in the USA Today report are: Stony Brook ($36.6 million); William & Mary ($30.3 million); Towson ($28.5 million); and UNC-Wilmington ($15.19 million). As for the CAA’s football-only members, New Hampshire's budget is listed at $31.5 million, followed by Rhode Island at $28.1 million, Albany at $26.2 million and Maine at $22.2 million." The budget at NCAT is what, $15-$16 million. Many of these schools have a higher cost of attendance...which means they have higher scholarship costs. They also have more teams and staff than NCAT and that balloons their budgets. Those numbers all add up, but we aren't concerned about what "they" spend on scholarships, coaches and staff for sports we don't have like field hockey, wrestling, lacrosse. NCAT need a consistent budget of around $20-$25 million, better facilities, better coaching, and players. All achievable goals...but it will take time. This shake up stuff is far from over...Other football schools will explore their options, and some may move up or make lateral moves to leagues more in line with their region on goals...some of the basketball schools may jump to better leagues...or conferences with a better regional fit. NCAT's goal should be to work it's plan and put itself in the best possible position to take advantage of whatever changes may come. We have to get our "ish" together for sure...but we are not "victims" here...not by a long shot. We left a MEAC that offers limited sports options, has a small membership, and has lost 4 schools in the past couple years. If one more football school leaves, it's a wrap for them...and I'm not aware of any schools looking to join. If you can't see that as a sign of the leagues future you blind. We then joined a league that got raided by a stronger conference and was given an invite to join...even before we were ready to join, because of our potential. NCAT is a sleeping giant, and the storm going on outside in D1 sports is waking us up. This ain't going to be easy, but it must be done.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Nov 28, 2023 10:59:24 GMT -5
Very true...like it or not, but at the D1 level folks hands are being forced. Delaware (and schools like them) for many years has been an "outlier" in FCS sports. I would argue that it's not a matter of "we" shouldn't be competing with them, but "they" shouldn't be competing with "us". Schools may have their reasons for moving on, but FCS schools across the country and within that CAA with $30-$40 million dollar budgets will have some serious questions to ask themselves in regards to staying FCS. That's why Delaware made the jump. They're seeing more and more of the peers in FBS positioning themselves for the eventual creation of a 3rd subdivision or the CFP/P4 Conferences breaking away to do their own thing. The final remaining FCS "big boys (the Montana schools and the Dakotas) need to decide if they are going to be in position to potentially backfill the future MWC deflections to the Pac. IMHO, all 6 of the schools could and perhaps should move up together in some sort of mega package deal. But that will really, really hurt FCS and create a vacuum that may not be filled.But back to UD... Delaware is on the same level as UConn and UMass. Speaking of which, if you're an Alumnus of Richmond, Villanova, or W&M, you gotta to be wondering if they need to be clamoring for a P5 invite. All 3 spend over $7 million in footballGreat post !!! My response to both of your statements is "They better be looking at...and moving on" The FCS big boys in "fly over" country need to get a plan (if they don't already) for how to move up...it's long over due. As for CAA members Richmond, Villanova, and W&M...I'm still trying to figure them out. They watched JMU, Liberty, and Delaware bounce to the FBS. Go back to that conference USA metrics sheet earlier in the thread. Then look at the athletic dept. Budget slide. Now focus on the quarter of the conference...yep, that's right...budgets around the $25 million mark. Hell, Jacksonville State only has a $18 million budget. Expect to see more schools move on...and like I said before, we have to position ourselves. Ain't no going back from here...for those longing for the days of the MEAC, it's over...the game has changed.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 28, 2023 11:15:18 GMT -5
Look the in formation this article posted shortly after Monmouth decided to join the CAA. As Monmouth athletics shift to Colonial Athletic Association, a deep dive into the move"According to a USA Today review of athletic department budgets and expenses for the 2019-20 fiscal year, Delaware tops the CAA with an annual athletic budget of $47.9 million. James Madison, leaving the CAA for the Sun Belt Conference to play FBS football, had been No. 1 at $58.2 million.By contrast, Monmouth, not included in the USA Today analysis, had an athletic budget of approximately $17 million according to former athletic director Marilyn McNeil in a November 2019 interview with the Asbury Park Press.
Among other CAA schools listed in the USA Today report are: Stony Brook ($36.6 million); William & Mary ($30.3 million); Towson ($28.5 million); and UNC-Wilmington ($15.19 million). As for the CAA’s football-only members, New Hampshire's budget is listed at $31.5 million, followed by Rhode Island at $28.1 million, Albany at $26.2 million and Maine at $22.2 million." The budget at NCAT is what, $15-$16 million. Many of these schools have a higher cost of attendance...which means they have higher scholarship costs. They also have more teams and staff than NCAT and that balloons their budgets. Those numbers all add up, but we aren't concerned about what "they" spend on scholarships, coaches and staff for sports we don't have like field hockey, wrestling, lacrosse. NCAT need a consistent budget of around $20-$25 million, better facilities, better coaching, and players. All achievable goals...but it will take time. This shake up stuff is far from over...Other football schools will explore their options, and some may move up or make lateral moves to leagues more in line with their region on goals...some of the basketball schools may jump to better leagues...or conferences with a better regional fit. NCAT's goal should be to work it's plan and put itself in the best possible position to take advantage of whatever changes may come. We have to get our "ish" together for sure...but we are not "victims" here...not by a long shot. We left a MEAC that offers limited sports options, has a small membership, and has lost 4 schools in the past couple years. If one more football school leaves, it's a wrap for them...and I'm not aware of any schools looking to join. If you can't see that as a sign of the leagues future you blind. We then joined a league that got raided by a stronger conference and was given an invite to join...even before we were ready to join, because of our potential. NCAT is a sleeping giant, and the storm going on outside in D1 sports is waking us up. This ain't going to be easy, but it must be done. A $4 million dollar gap isn’t that big to cross. We’re already earmarked to receive $1.25 million from state gambling revenues beginning 24/25, iirc, 2025 at the latest. Basically, Campus Enterprises needs to find an additions $2.25 million for athletics. Some of that will come from student athletic fees as enrollment continues to grow, and some will need to come from AAF. The rest may need to come from increased ticket prices and maximizing our football attendance. That last part is the most difficult one but it’s not impossible. And I do recall Earl mentioning increasing our budget by $4 million over a period of years.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 28, 2023 11:17:47 GMT -5
We’re already are earmarked to receive $1.25 million from state gambling revenues beginning 24/25, iirc, 2025 at the latest. Are you sure that money can be used for athletics?
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Post by aggie94 on Nov 28, 2023 11:22:07 GMT -5
We’re already are earmarked to receive $1.25 million from state gambling revenues beginning 24/25, iirc, 2025 at the latest. Are you sure that money can be used for athletics? It can.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 28, 2023 11:23:23 GMT -5
We’re already are earmarked to receive $1.25 million from state gambling revenues beginning 24/25, iirc, 2025 at the latest. Are you sure that money can be used for athletics? It’s exclusively FOR Athletics.
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