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Post by planoaggie on Nov 4, 2023 18:59:38 GMT -5
But the definition of a bad team is that they make mistakes and find away to beat themselves. So are you asking the team to be something they are not? This is football. Teams make mistakes. It’s all about minimizing them. And to be honest, we really only had two game-deciding mistakes (Christian’s fumble and Allen’s personal foul). This, to me is more of the team being young and our competition being much tougher than ever before. So, I can’t agree with you that this is a bad team. Plus, the mistakes made that hurt us are fixable. Also, this officiating crew was very nit picky and quite a few of the holding calls on both teams were tickytack. I never said "only" bad teams make mistakes. You are just going to ignore the rest of the sentence about finding away to beat themselves. Good teams find away to win by making less mistakes than their opponents and improve or learn from those mistakes. Bad teams can make incremental improvements as the season progresses, but can not make significant progress to affect the overall outcome of a game usually and they tend to repeat those same mistakes each week. All teams have a goal to fix or improve on things each week at practices before their next game making it difficult for bad teams to close the gap. This is a dynamic and not a static problem to be solved. But there is no harm in being positive and wishing that we change our stripes. I am with you on that. Plus we may be able to beat Campbell. They may be on a 3 game losing streak when we play them. That could be good or bad depending on how you look at it. It is your prerogative to say whether this year's football team is bad or not.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 4, 2023 19:14:34 GMT -5
9 points, 7 points or 100 points...it doesn't matter if your defense can't stop your opponent from scoring. And we can't stop a Pop Warner team. We've got limited talent, inexperience and a few players that don't have the heart for the game. That makes it tough to win in this conference. I just want to get through this season and start getting ready for next season. I don't expect any more wins this season. You can talk about the bad defense, but it still doesn’t excuse bad math. To cut the lead from 12 points to only 9 points with 8 minutes left was BAD THINKING. There will likely come a time when the team is better. If our head coach cannot count his way through a game, we’re screwed. For example, Campbell has a bad defense but a good offense. If the score is 56-52 Campbell with less than 2 minutes left….it’s 4th down and we have the ball on their side of the field….would you be happy with coach kicking a FG to cut the lead to 56-55? I guarantee you won’t be saying, “It doesn’t matter because our defense is bad.” You have to know how to count and do everything you can to give the team a chance at victory. That was bad mathematics today. He needs to sit in on a few classes at Marteena Hall before our next game….
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 19:16:24 GMT -5
If we had kicked those two extra points we would have been down by 8 on the last drive.
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Post by saabman on Nov 4, 2023 19:41:00 GMT -5
If we had kicked those two extra points we would have been down by 8 on the last drive. Thanks 39 you beat me to it .
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 4, 2023 19:49:55 GMT -5
....so he was willing to go for 2 points to try to cut the game to 28-25 in the 4th quarter ---- CORRECT? It failed, so the score was 28-23.
....so 6 minutes later, we're down by 12 and he elected to cut the lead to 9, which still made it a 2-score game.
I'm baffled. In 1 situation, he's willing to try to get the score down to 1 FG....then a few minutes later, he kicks a meaningless FG to cut the score from 12 to 9. That's mathematically inconsistent thinking.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 20:04:30 GMT -5
....so he was willing to go for 2 points to try to cut the game to 28-25 in the 4th quarter ---- CORRECT? It failed, so the score was 28-23. ....so 6 minutes later, we're down by 12 and he elected to cut the lead to 9, which still made it a 2-score game. I'm baffled. In 1 situation, he's willing to try to get the score down to 1 FG....then a few minutes later, he kicks a meaningless FG to cut the score from 12 to 9. That's mathematically inconsistent thinking. I think you are mixed up... With 8:41 left he took the field goal making the score 26 - 35. Down by 9 w/8:41 left isn't a bad decision, that was a lot of time left. So he chose to take 3 points over the possibility of 0.
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Post by Maxell on Nov 4, 2023 20:11:09 GMT -5
How many fumbles does Chrisn have this year? IJS
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Post by saabman on Nov 4, 2023 20:13:04 GMT -5
....so he was willing to go for 2 points to try to cut the game to 28-25 in the 4th quarter ---- CORRECT? It failed, so the score was 28-23. ....so 6 minutes later, we're down by 12 and he elected to cut the lead to 9, which still made it a 2-score game. Which was the right call to make . I'm Done 😆 I'm baffled. In 1 situation, he's willing to try to get the score down to 1 FG....then a few minutes later, he kicks a meaningless FG to cut the score from 12 to 9. That's mathematically inconsistent thinking. I think you are mixed up... With 8:41 left he took the field goal making the score 26 - 35. Down by 9 w/8:41 left isn't a bad decision, that was a lot of time left. So he chose to take 3 points over the possibility of 0.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 4, 2023 20:14:16 GMT -5
So you are saying White will not play the rest of the season due to injury? Because if he continues to play in any of our last 3 games, how can you claim medical redshirt at the end of "this game"? Let me be clearer than previous. If White is injured and misses the rest of those games with said injury, the school can apply to have a Medical Redshirt granted to him. If he plays, that’s seemingly thrown out of the window. And also, there’s always next year for a RS. It’s happened before, IIRC recently with Carter. Man he can’t get no medical redshirt. Season damn near over. And he’s played in way more than four games.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 20:22:10 GMT -5
How many fumbles does Chrisn have this year? IJS 3
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 4, 2023 20:26:58 GMT -5
....so he was willing to go for 2 points to try to cut the game to 28-25 in the 4th quarter ---- CORRECT? It failed, so the score was 28-23. ....so 6 minutes later, we're down by 12 and he elected to cut the lead to 9, which still made it a 2-score game. I'm baffled. In 1 situation, he's willing to try to get the score down to 1 FG....then a few minutes later, he kicks a meaningless FG to cut the score from 12 to 9. That's mathematically inconsistent thinking. I think you are mixed up... With 8:41 left he took the field goal making the score 26 - 35. Down by 9 w/8:41 left isn't a bad decision, that was a lot of time left. So he chose to take 3 points over the possibility of 0. My counting and thinking are fine…. The lead is down to 9 with 8:40 left - correct? In this scenario, we would have to: 1) Stop them from scoring (1 possession) 2) score ourselves (2nd possession) 3) Stop them from scoring again (3rd possession) 4) Score again (4th possession) So 4 ideal possessions would have to have gone down in 8 minutes for us to win. We ca agree to disagree, but this doesn’t sound the most logical….
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 20:30:33 GMT -5
I think you are mixed up... With 8:41 left he took the field goal making the score 26 - 35. Down by 9 w/8:41 left isn't a bad decision, that was a lot of time left. So he chose to take 3 points over the possibility of 0. My counting and thinking are fine…. The lead is down to 9 with 8:40 left - correct? In this scenario, we would have to: 1) Stop them from scoring (1 possession) 2) score ourselves (2nd possession) 3) Stop them from scoring again (3rd possession) 4) Score again (4th possession) So 4 ideal possessions would have to have gone down in 8 minutes for us to win. We ca agree to disagree, but this doesn’t sound the most logical…. You didn't include the impact of scoring zero points, we would have been down 12 vs 9. You score zero points and you need two touchdowns to win. kick a field goal and you need a touchdown and field goal to win.
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Post by bluhurricane on Nov 4, 2023 20:47:48 GMT -5
My counting and thinking are fine…. The lead is down to 9 with 8:40 left - correct? In this scenario, we would have to: 1) Stop them from scoring (1 possession) 2) score ourselves (2nd possession) 3) Stop them from scoring again (3rd possession) 4) Score again (4th possession) So 4 ideal possessions would have to have gone down in 8 minutes for us to win. We ca agree to disagree, but this doesn’t sound the most logical…. You didn't include the impact of scoring zero points, we would have been down 12 vs 9. You score zero points and you need two touchdowns to win. kick a field goal and you need a touchdown and field goal to win. If you don't score you're the other team is backed up to their end zone and most likely is going to play conservative and give you the ball right back. Playing ultra conservative while behind is going to lose you wayyyyyyyyy more games than you'll ever win. I just wonder how the team feels when coach waves the white flag so early
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 20:51:06 GMT -5
You didn't include the impact of scoring zero points, we would have been down 12 vs 9. You score zero points and you need two touchdowns to win. kick a field goal and you need a touchdown and field goal to win. If you don't score you're the other team is backed up to their end zone and most likely is going to play conservative and give you the ball right back. Playing ultra conservative while behind is going to lose you wayyyyyyyyy more games than you'll ever win. I just wonder how the team feels when coach waves the white flag so early That’s not waving the white flag, it’s called playing smart. It’s easier to get a field goal and touchdown vs scoring 2 touchdowns. I am sure the team thought it was the right call with 8:41 left.
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Post by saabman on Nov 4, 2023 20:52:41 GMT -5
I think you are mixed up... With 8:41 left he took the field goal making the score 26 - 35. Down by 9 w/8:41 left isn't a bad decision, that was a lot of time left. So he chose to take 3 points over the possibility of 0. Which was the right call .
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