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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 7, 2023 9:58:25 GMT -5
But to sit here and say that MEAC members weren’t in bad shape in the 2010s enrollment-wise, financially, or athletically in multiple sports is inaccurate. Who is even making that argument? Do I need to remind you where A&T was in 2010?
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 7, 2023 10:03:34 GMT -5
But to sit here and say that MEAC members weren’t in bad shape in the 2010s enrollment-wise, financially, or athletically in multiple sports is inaccurate. Who is even making that argument? Do I need to remind you where A&T was in 2010? Where were we in 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016? 2017? 2018? 2019?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 7, 2023 10:18:41 GMT -5
Do you even remember the point you were trying to make? And for a reminder A&T left the MEAC because (drumroll please) ITS A POORLY RAN CONFERENCE. Was under Thomas and now under Stills. No according to Earl Hilton. We left the MEAC for the Big South primarily because of travel costs. Nobody from the university ever went on the record and said the MEAC was a poorly ran conference.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 7, 2023 10:56:42 GMT -5
The 100 percenters are bullying again. While I only agree partially with Aggie2039, I get exactly what he was trying to say. What is a "100 percenter" you may ask? They take all statements as 100% of all things. You have to be exact when you talk to them and you cant talk in generalizations to them or the come back is "Not ALL _____s" and think saying that proves you completely wrong. But Aggie2039, while its frustrating to have to always use "SOME, MOST, Majority" and words like that, the 100 percenters will not let generalizations go. It's in their blood. they have to say something. While Aggie2039 probably feels very passionate about his thoughts he is literally typing it to a board full of people HE KNOWS is not that way, so no need to get all worked up that he stated such. The 100 percenters have been growing on this board lately. Another term for 100 percenters is Word Police. Monster - You FINALLY got something right! And, yeah, 2039 went too far. I know quite a few that don't like to party, attend games for the games, etc. Count me as one MOST of the time. I party before and/or after! 2039 should have said something like 'a lot', 'many', 'quite a few', etc. That way those that aren't just out to party won't get offended. #WordPoliceDat Glad you have embraced your title of Word Police. And he doesn't have to change his words for sensitive individuals that get offended because they don't understand what generalizations are when people speak. If that's the case you might as well take "Always" out of the dictionary. Those same people cant help themselves and have to correct people typos when they should know it was done by autocorrect or talk to text and they understood the sentenced typed anyway. SMH
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Post by The Professor on Nov 7, 2023 11:08:57 GMT -5
Do you even remember the point you were trying to make? No according to Earl Hilton. We left the MEAC for the Big South primarily because of travel costs. Nobody from the university ever went on the record and said the MEAC was a poorly ran conference. Sure do. I've sat in countless AAF meetings and u were there. And the issues with the MEAC were discussed. Now you're acting like the MEAC is being ran effectively. And is a beacon of light on the hill. Come on doc. Know u ain't happy with the move and the athletic department but be honest
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 7, 2023 11:08:59 GMT -5
Do you even remember the point you were trying to make? No according to Earl Hilton. We left the MEAC for the Big South primarily because of travel costs. Nobody from the university ever went on the record and said the MEAC was a poorly ran conference. That’s my point: No one was going to come out and say we’re leaving because of trash leadership and disagreements with the co-ceos. However, the travel costs at the time was a huge benefit and a reason why. It was never the only reason. That will always be my point due to what I know.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 7, 2023 11:09:50 GMT -5
Do you even remember the point you were trying to make? Sure do. I've sat in countless AAF meetings and u were there. And the issues with the MEAC were discussed. Now you're acting like the MEAC is being ran effectively. And is a beacon of light on the hill. Come on doc. Know u ain't happy with the move and the athletic department but be honest “But it’s Black!” Really?
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Post by The Professor on Nov 7, 2023 11:11:43 GMT -5
Sure do. I've sat in countless AAF meetings and u were there. And the issues with the MEAC were discussed. Now you're acting like the MEAC is being ran effectively. And is a beacon of light on the hill. Come on doc. Know u ain't happy with the move and the athletic department but be honest “But it’s Black!” Really? Why does race matter in how effectively something is being ran?
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 7, 2023 11:17:39 GMT -5
Do you even remember the point you were trying to make? That’s my point: No one was going to come out and say we’re leaving because of trash leadership and disagreements with the co-ceos. However, the travel costs at the time was a huge benefit and a reason why. It was never the only reason. That will always be my point due to what I know. do not keep engaging...lol You will not be smarter for debating the subject..
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 7, 2023 11:17:49 GMT -5
“But it’s Black!” Really? Why does race matter in how effectively something is being ran? Excellent question and IMHO, people need to demand better from all orgs, regardless of race. Let me brace myself for Bornthrilla to come in and say something how he’s trying to do this regarding A&T Athletics.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 7, 2023 11:28:54 GMT -5
I dont understand the point you are trying to make about race. Who said "but it's black"?
My issue with the CAA move has always been consistent. Our administration was dishonest on the reason for leaving and they have not taken the steps to give us the resources to be successful.
I dont care what conference we are in. I believe we need much better senior leadership in order to achieve longterm success.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 7, 2023 12:13:59 GMT -5
I dont understand the point you are trying to make about race. Who said "but it's black"? My issue with the CAA move has always been consistent. Our administration was dishonest on the reason for leaving and they have not taken the steps to give us the resources to be successful. I dont care what conference we are in. I believe we need much better senior leadership in order to achieve longterm success. You gotta prove that the admin wasn’t honest and that they aren’t already taking steps to increase resources further. We’re paying an OC $123,000 and are about to upgrade practice fields for football, as an example. If you don’t think that’s a start, I can’t help you. And for the reasons why we left, I keep telling you the reasons why, which included improved travel costs at the time. I also keep saying that you would’ve never publicly gotten the admin to say some of the reasons publicly because it would require them to publicly bash the leadership and the co-CEOs, effectively burning bridges and bashing HBCUS. Like, come on.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 7, 2023 12:32:56 GMT -5
I also keep saying that you would’ve never publicly gotten the admin to say some of the reasons publicly because it would require them to publicly bash the leadership and the co-CEOs, effectively burning bridges and bashing HBCUS. That is called not being honest. That is like Colin Powel making a case in front of the UN to go to war against Iraq when he knew there were no weapons of mass destructions. There might have been some legitimate reason to go to war, but Iraq having weapons of mass destructions was not one of them. You are saying Hilton and company knew that the travel costs were not the main reason for moving away from the MEAC, yet that is the narrative they pushed to the general public. That is passive aggressive dishonesty. I know we are different, but I dont like when people look me in my face and lie to me like I am not intelligent. Some of yall chalk it up as just the price you pay for being an unwavering supporter of the university, but I am not a sheep. Earl Hilton did not have a problem publicly bashing the MEAC leadership when it came to the COVID issue. The only reason that N&R article was written is because Earl reached out to the reporter and wanted to get that narrative out there. He knew is was a bad look because he did not fight harder for the men's basketball program at the time and he wanted to save face. But you can't pick and chose when you want to hold people accountable and speak truthfully. Especially when it is only convenient for you personally.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 7, 2023 13:01:12 GMT -5
I also keep saying that you would’ve never publicly gotten the admin to say some of the reasons publicly because it would require them to publicly bash the leadership and the co-CEOs, effectively burning bridges and bashing HBCUS. That is called not being honest. That is like Colin Powel making a case in front of the UN to go to war against Iraq when he knew there were no weapons of mass destructions. There might have been some legitimate reason to go to war, but Iraq having weapons of mass destructions was not one of them. You are saying Hilton and company knew that the travel costs were not the main reason for moving away from the MEAC, yet that is the narrative they pushed to the general public. That is passive aggressive dishonesty. I know we are different, but I dont like when people look me in my face and lie to me like I am not intelligent. Some of yall chalk it up as just the price you for being a unwavering supporter of the university, but I am not a sheep. Earl Hilton did not have a problem publicly bashing the MEAC leadership when it came to the COVID issue. The only reason that N&R article was written is because Earl reached out to the reporter and wanted to get that narrative out there. He knew is was a bad look because he did not fight harder for the men's basketball program at the time and he wanted to save face. But you can't pick and chose when you want to hold people accountable and speak truthfully. Especially when it is only convenient for you personally. It’s all politics at the end of the day. It was never an easy decision to leave the MEAC politically because we are an HBCU. People are sensitive creatures and oftentimes react emotionally and don’t care about logistical details. People have emotional attachments to items and romanticize things that may ignore how things are currently. We’re going through this now and we’ll always have people that will be against the move. Being 100 percent honest may drive people to push key people on the board to turn down the move. There would have been major pushback from key stakeholders, going against their plans, and would’ve pushed them into corners they didn’t want to be in dealing with leadership they didn’t like to deal with. To me, this is similar to schools raising student fees and asking their students to vote on it. Most students don’t want their costs going up. However, schools need the bread. You want amazing homecomings and Aggie Fests? You gotta pay for it? A dope student center? Give up the bread. Ultimately, the school made the decision they felt was best. And key stakeholders in the alumni base signed off on it. And they knew all of the reasons why they took the CAA invite or even left the MEAC in the first place. But to say you want it all laid out on the table just isn’t how this politically works.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 7, 2023 13:11:39 GMT -5
Translation of everything you just typed: "I know it was a lie and I am OK with being lied to because I support the lie."
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