saabman
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Post by saabman on Oct 31, 2023 9:57:00 GMT -5
Chancellor Martin and Earl Hilton promised that they would not have us looking like the proverbial one-legged man in an azz-kicking contest when we made this move. Thus far, they have not done a lot to alleviate those concerns. We are pursuing CAA aspirations with a MEAC athletic department and infrastructure. I think that is where the main angst from out fanbase is coming from. What is a MEAC athletic department and infrastructure? Even if A&T had the equal "Atheletic Department and Infrastructure " funds some people would still complain because ,Truthfully it's not about those two things at all . Don't get it twisted this is just My Opinion! For Me it's a Cultural Identity Issue . That goes far deeper than just Athletics or GHOE. Let me start with 1. Have we out priced our Community Fan Base and some Alumni ,especially those with large family groups. 2. Fan participation in stadium has been on a decline not only at A&T but at the BCS,FCS ,D2 and NAIA level outside of Rivalry and Homecoming games . 3. "What is a MEAC athletic department and infrastructure" ? Cultural 1. Some are still afraid that A&T is losing their Cultural identity by competing in a PWI conference and a lot of these same individuals are the one's that wanted to complete against PWI competition. Now that we are not only competing We are in one of the top 4 FCS conferences for all sports and academics. But yet some can say it just doesn't feel the same. You can't have it both ways or your cake and eat it too people. 2. Playing PWI institutions does not change your culture it changes your familiarity where as instead of Hampton or Howard you have Towson or Gardner Web. But the culture SHOULD remain the same. 3. I say this a lot to anyone that will listen " You can not Loose your Culture or Cultural Identity, But you can Change and fine tune it to a degree, Forget it and lose it if you're not willing to cultivate and cherish it". But this BS "it's not the same" because of who we are playing in a Damn sports event is totally Asinine and just excuses to cover the true feelings..i.e it's not the same because we are playing a PWI and could lose 😆 🤣 😂. Hell homecomings in general are not the same as you get older in life, that's called growth.
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Post by saabman on Oct 31, 2023 10:03:09 GMT -5
Tennessee State University has been at this for almost 40 years. The football team is winning this year and they are having difficulty attracting fans. They will probably be 9-2 this year and Coach Eddie George is begging fans not to leave the game after halftime. tsutigers.com/sports/football/schedule/2023What does that have to do with us? We are not TSU... I do not understand how college graduates use a sample size of #1 as a legitimate study on a subject lol. HBCUs fans always leave after halftime, the conference doesn't matter. . Mostly correct 😆. In HBCU football culture it has Never been about the game 😆. That's why The 5th quarter was started to keep those butts in the seats !! 😆
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 31, 2023 10:04:02 GMT -5
Someone has gotta explain to me what is the big deal about the CAA. I promise you, if the FCS playoffs were doling out checks for participation and victories, I'd be clamoring for A&T to stay in the CAA eternally. FCS football IS NOT the gold standard when comes to college football. FCS IS NOT A MONEY GENERATOR (NOR AN ATTENTION GENERATOR) when it comes to college football.....
....until it is, you can miss me with routinely playing the likes of Townson, Villanova, Delaware, Albany, Rhode Island, Stony Brook, etc. We have ZERO TIES with these schools; beating them (or losing to them) in the long run doesn't change our fortunes. WE'RE IN THE FCS.....this is not FBS football.
These schools are not meant to be our STEADY DIET. I don't mind scheduling them every now and then. If we want to schedule Delaware every 5 years - cool. Hell, schedule ND State every 5 years as well. No sweat off of my back.
Give me an MEAC schedule with open slots to play Elon, Campbell, WCU, FBS school (for a check), Richmond, WSSU.......and I'm good.
UNTIL FCS FOOTBALL REALLY MATTERS (BOTH FROM AN ATTENTION AND FINANCIAL STANDPOINT).....STOP MAKING ME CARE FOR PLAYING IN A CONFERENCE WITH GOOD SCHOOLS THAT ARE REGIONS AWAY AND HAVE NO TIES TO US!!!!
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Post by saabman on Oct 31, 2023 10:11:09 GMT -5
However, we’re owned ultimately by the UNC System. So until we can garner a private entity with a war chest on the level of a few other UNC system schools, upgrades and hires, and other things we want to see will always move slower than expected, unless we do things that break UNC System rules and can be caught by an audit. These constraints were not part of the sales pitch when we moved to the CAA. We were told by our leadership that we would be provided with the resources to compete for championships in this new league. On what time table ? A&T is just on a slow time table . Always has been when it came to athletics resource funding.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 31, 2023 10:17:40 GMT -5
Someone has gotta explain to me what is the big deal about the CAA. I promise you, if the FCS playoffs were doling out checks for participation and victories, I'd be clamoring for A&T to stay in the CAA eternally. FCS football IS NOT the gold standard when comes to college football. FCS IS NOT A MONEY GENERATOR (NOR AN ATTENTION GENERATOR) when it comes to college football..... ....until it is, you can miss me with routinely playing the likes of Townson, Villanova, Delaware, Albany, Rhode Island, Stony Brook, etc. We have ZERO TIES with these schools; beating them (or losing to them) in the long run doesn't change our fortunes. WE'RE IN THE FCS.....this is not FBS football. These schools are not meant to be our STEADY DIET. I don't mind scheduling them every now and then. If we want to schedule Delaware every 5 years - cool. Hell, schedule ND State every 5 years as well. No sweat off of my back. Give me an MEAC schedule with open slots to play Elon, Campbell, WCU, FBS school (for a check), Richmond, WSSU.......and I'm good. UNTIL FCS FOOTBALL REALLY MATTERS (BOTH FROM AN ATTENTION AND FINANCIAL STANDPOINT).....STOP MAKING ME CARE FOR PLAYING IN A CONFERENCE WITH GOOD SCHOOLS THAT ARE REGIONS AWAY AND HAVE NO TIES TO US!!!!Better athletics teams and a much better front office than the MEAC. I’m not sure how to make it plainer without being called a coon or a sellout.
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Post by saabman on Oct 31, 2023 10:25:41 GMT -5
Someone has gotta explain to me what is the big deal about the CAA. I promise you, if the FCS playoffs were doling out checks for participation and victories, I'd be clamoring for A&T to stay in the CAA eternally. FCS football IS NOT the gold standard when comes to college football. FCS IS NOT A MONEY GENERATOR (NOR AN ATTENTION GENERATOR) when it comes to college football..... ....until it is, you can miss me with routinely playing the likes of Townson, Villanova, Delaware, Albany, Rhode Island, Stony Brook, etc. We have ZERO TIES with these schools; beating them (or losing to them) in the long run doesn't change our fortunes. WE'RE IN THE FCS.....this is not FBS football. These schools are not meant to be our STEADY DIET. I don't mind scheduling them every now and then. If we want to schedule Delaware every 5 years - cool. Hell, schedule ND State every 5 years as well. No sweat off of my back. Give me an MEAC schedule with open slots to play Elon, Campbell, WCU, FBS school (for a check), Richmond, WSSU.......and I'm good. UNTIL FCS FOOTBALL REALLY MATTERS (BOTH FROM AN ATTENTION AND FINANCIAL STANDPOINT).....STOP MAKING ME CARE FOR PLAYING IN A CONFERENCE WITH GOOD SCHOOLS THAT ARE REGIONS AWAY AND HAVE NO TIES TO US!!!!TRUE FANS IN THIS CASE FOOTBALL FANS DON'T CARE WHO YOU'RE PLAYING THEY JUST SHOW UP WIN OR LOSE!!!
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 31, 2023 10:37:29 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics.
We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook.
I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 31, 2023 10:51:38 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics. We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook. I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics The media rights deals are significantly better. Homecoming is being broadcasted in markets that we couldn't get in with the MEAC Deal. Lebron James "The Shop" is also broadcasting from Homecoming this weekend. The other two HBCUs that they are attending are Hampton and TSU. Do all three of those schools have something in common? The basketball schedule has linear games included. If we were to go back to the MEAC, we would still need a conference for baseball and women's soccer The MEAC is still one Delaware State or Morgan State decision to leave for the NEC, from crumbling As far as the regional scheduling. We will be playing Elon, Campbell and NCCU every year. SO I'm not seeing the issue
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 31, 2023 10:51:44 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics. We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook. I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics The end game is to become a top FCS program that regularly competes in a conference that is competitive and full of members that properly funds their athletic departments. We can’t sit hit and say the MEAC has been properly ran for 50 years and wasn’t full of presidents that could never get on the same page. And many of these schools just plainly suck in all athletics. Like, complete unadulterated trash. There are other things I can say here but I won’t. This isn’t a private space.
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Post by KidHeartless on Oct 31, 2023 10:53:46 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics. We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook. I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics What would truly benefit the plight of Aggie Athletics?
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Post by saabman on Oct 31, 2023 11:03:17 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics. We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook. I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics No one said you were not a true fan or question your dedication. You don't have to defend yourself because you know who you are and what you are. Also you can call me Saabman because we have been going back and forth for some time on here in disagreement or agreement. I don't have Dude in my sign on name just Saabman.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 31, 2023 11:14:43 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics. We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook. I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics The media rights deals are significantly better. Homecoming is being broadcasted in markets that we couldn't get in with the MEAC Deal. Lebron James "The Shop" is also broadcasting from Homecoming this weekend. The other two HBCUs that they are attending are Hampton and TSU. Do all three of those schools have something in common? The basketball schedule has linear games included. If we were to go back to the MEAC, we would still need a conference for baseball and women's soccer The MEAC is still one Delaware State or Morgan State decision to leave for the NEC, from crumbling As far as the regional scheduling. We will be playing Elon, Campbell and NCCU every year. SO I'm not seeing the issue Regionally, we also play UNCW...I am sure the aggies in the Wilmington and surrounding areas will be happy to see A&T play locally. We are playing more nationally televised basketball games than the entire SWAC conferences, lol. This doesn't include the linear broadcast games. The MEAC still hasn't published their television schedule. We now play in a televised HBCU basketball tournament every year, same with Hampton.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 31, 2023 11:31:27 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics. We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook. I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics I disagree with portions of your statement. A&T recruits students from the DMV and NYC, beating Deleware, Stony Brook, Hofstra and Towson brings added visibility in areas that we recruit for students. Furthermore, we have alumni chapters in Philadelphia, Deleware, Baltimore, NYC and NJ...this gives our alums, their families and potential students the opportunity to support A&T athletics.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 31, 2023 12:00:29 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 31, 2023 12:51:09 GMT -5
Dude, I've been showing up for 40+ years at Aggie Stadium. My parents took me to the 1st game at Aggie Stadium when we christened it by playing WSSU (no lights then; it wasn't even in a complete horseshoe configuration; no track either). I'm a devoted Aggie alumnus and supporter......and with all of that being said, I have a right to question what the hell is the end-game when it comes to Aggie athletics. We can respectfully disagree with the direction of Aggie athletics.....I just don't understand how joining the CAA propels us athletically. Beating a High Point, NCCU, or Elon goes a lot further in this region than beating an Albany, Delaware, or Stony Brook. I am not knocking the CAA.....I just don't see where it truly benefits the plight of Aggie athletics No one said you were not a true fan or question your dedication. You don't have to defend yourself because you know who you are and what you are. Also you can call me Saabman because we have been going back and forth for some time on here in disagreement or agreement. I don't have Dude in my sign on name just Saabman. What's with you and the "dude" thing. It's like "man, dawg, bro, cuz,etc" all that. No one is disrespecting you. You not talking to kids that shouldn't refer to adults in that manner. Most people here are 80s and 90s Aggies.
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