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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 10, 2021 12:19:46 GMT -5
A touchdown catch (in a close game) has way more value than just a bunch of short yardage catches. The ultimate goal is not to pad your stats but to put points on the board.
Bell actually had the come-from-behind, game-winning TD catch against Jacksonville State. Let me repeat: The game winning TD catch.
He also had the come-from-behind, game-winning TD catch the very next week against ECU. Again: The game-winning TD catch.
Two of the biggest games of the season, and Elijah Bell made the game-winning receptions in both.
I dont see how any serious football observer can downplay the significance of those plays.
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 10, 2021 13:47:56 GMT -5
Lest we forget his qb was waaaaaay off the first half of the season. Lest we also forget he was coming off a foot injury that I'm not really convinced ever really fully healed.
But that's neither here nor there. Is jump ball U done with? That's probably up to the o.c., the new wr coach, and the talent we're putting on the field at qb and wr this year.
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Post by aggie94 on Aug 10, 2021 14:29:54 GMT -5
Here's my two cents... You don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Everything is situational. If a matchup dictates that a jump ball over the shoulder throw is our best option then that is what we need to do. That said, teaching route running and getting off the line of scrimmage is a necessity.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 10, 2021 14:54:15 GMT -5
Aggie2039, It’s fine if he didn’t make the NFL because of speed and route running but, to say his impact wasn’t substantial is a disservice. That’s all...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 10, 2021 15:13:28 GMT -5
I think Q Lockhart is 3 then Hunt is 4. That is if someone else doesn't jump in there. 5-Wide! 🤣 Sir, when you constantly repeat stuff like this you make it seem like you dont understand football. We have the best running back in the FCS. Why would you advocate for ways to take him off the field?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 16:09:14 GMT -5
Sir, when you constantly repeat stuff like this you make it seem like you dont understand football. We have the best running back in the FCS. Why would you advocate for ways to take him off the field? Sir, It’s just running gag. But, if you really want to slice it, no one ever said go 5-wide without Martin on the field. And it’s very likely we will see 11-personnel quite a bit with 4 wide and Martin lined up as a single back. It will be a repeat of the Celebration Bowl where we’re liable to drop 60+ a game in the regular season. Can any of us think back and remember a time when we had this much talent on offense? It’s likely we could be at the precipice of our A&T Offense becoming the Big South and FCS version of the Greatest Show on Turf, or in our case, brown grass in November.
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 10, 2021 17:33:46 GMT -5
Aggie2039, It’s fine if he didn’t make the NFL because of speed and route running but, to say his impact wasn’t substantial is a disservice. That’s all... I never said that, I said jump ball U will not work in the Big South like it did in the MEAC, then people got in their feelings and said the MEAC is just as good as the BS and that bell was very successful with jump ball U. I stated he is a good lower level FCs player
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 10, 2021 17:36:14 GMT -5
Sir, It’s just running gag. But, if you really want to slice it, no one ever said go 5-wide without Martin on the field. And it’s very likely we will see 11-personnel quite a bit with 4 wide and Martin lined up as a single back. It will be a repeat of the Celebration Bowl where we’re liable to drop 60+ a game in the regular season. Can any of us think back and remember a time when we had this much talent on offense? It’s likely we could be at the precipice of our A&T Offense becoming the Big South and FCS version of the Greatest Show on Turf, or in our case, brown grass in November. Five wide means five receivers and no running back. Martin is not a great pass catcher, so lining him out wide as a receiver does us no good. If you dont have a running back in the backfield you virtually eliminate the threat of the run - except for a QB keeper. Carter had most of his big plays in the CB off of play action. You need a RB in the backfield to sell play action. The only time we will be going 5 wide is if we are down by double digits late in the game.
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Post by saabman on Aug 11, 2021 1:20:28 GMT -5
Hold on a minute now...facts are facts you are right. But, I don't see that FACT that Bell had a touchdown catch in each of the games you mentioned: ECU & Jacksonville State. Wonder why it isn't in the statistical data? Go back and look at the highlights, he catches a touchdown between his legs against Jacksonville and a 7 yard TD grab against ECU. These are NOT alternative facts, either. Who cares about 1 touchdown in an entire 4 quarters when you only had 2 catches. Your number 1 all everything wide receiver had 2 catches in one of the most important games of the season. Let that sink in 6 yards 6 yards total for the number 1 receiver… But hey that satisfies yiu so be happy No let this sink in . Bells routes are dictated by the play calling of the OC . Like it or not A&T's reciever routes were basically predictable routes , with most of them being short sideline horizontal routes. You can not place that on the WR that's the OC's doing . I'm not making excuses I'm stating facts as a person that has worn the OC hat . When you have WR's running 6 yard routes and it's not a screen , quick slant or a pass for a first down something is wrong with your OC's system or you don't trust your talent on the field to get Vertical . Bell was and outstanding WR that when he did have the opportunity to get Vertical he produced at the college level and will someday be in A&T's HOF . What more can you ask from the young man .
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Post by saabman on Aug 11, 2021 1:30:41 GMT -5
Aggie2039, It’s fine if he didn’t make the NFL because of speed and route running but, to say his impact wasn’t substantial is a disservice. That’s all... I never said that, I said jump ball U will not work in the Big South like it did in the MEAC, then people got in their feelings and said the MEAC is just as good as the BS and that bell was very successful with jump ball U. I stated he is a good lower level FCs player JBU can work in the BS , but it should not be the primary engine of the offensive passing game. With that being said Get of Bells Back and get back on Topic.
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 11, 2021 6:35:56 GMT -5
I never said that, I said jump ball U will not work in the Big South like it did in the MEAC, then people got in their feelings and said the MEAC is just as good as the BS and that bell was very successful with jump ball U. I stated he is a good lower level FCs player JBU can work in the BS , but it should not be the primary engine of the offensive passing game. With that being said Get of Bells Back and get back on Topic. This would die if people like you stopped responding, we had moved past Bell in the conversation but yiu brought him up again. You see how that works? I’m not on his back just stating observations, if you don’t like it move on and don’t respond 🤷🏾♂️
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 11, 2021 6:37:12 GMT -5
Who cares about 1 touchdown in an entire 4 quarters when you only had 2 catches. Your number 1 all everything wide receiver had 2 catches in one of the most important games of the season. Let that sink in 6 yards 6 yards total for the number 1 receiver… But hey that satisfies yiu so be happy No let this sink in . Bells routes are dictated by the play calling of the OC . Like it or not A&T's reciever routes were basically predictable routes , with most of them being short sideline horizontal routes. You can not place that on the WR that's the OC's doing . I'm not making excuses I'm stating facts as a person that has worn the OC hat . When you have WR's running 6 yard routes and it's not a screen , quick slant or a pass for a first down something is wrong with your OC's system or you don't trust your talent on the field to get Vertical . Bell was and outstanding WR that when he did have the opportunity to get Vertical he produced at the college level and will someday be in A&T's HOF . What more can you ask from the young man . Maybe the OC based his routes on the talent he had at the time🤷🏾♂️.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Aug 11, 2021 14:21:07 GMT -5
Aggie2039, It’s fine if he didn’t make the NFL because of speed and route running but, to say his impact wasn’t substantial is a disservice. That’s all... I never said that, I said jump ball U will not work in the Big South like it did in the MEAC, then people got in their feelings and said the MEAC is just as good as the BS and that bell was very successful with jump ball U. I stated he is a good lower level FCs player You right, you wasn't dogging the man....Naw, thats not what these are..... "Bell best games were against subpar competition, BS top teams are a lot better" "Yes they did suck and he didn’t show up vs ECU or Jacksonville state. Bell had 2 catches for 6 yards vs Jacksonville www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401030241Bell had 6 for 65 vs ecu…again, his best games were versus lower level competition. Bell had zero catches vs FAMU the entire first half and didn’t play the second half🤷🏾♂️ www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401180853Hence the reason he had no nfl tryout and no free agent contract. The facts/nfl don’t lie" "He didn’t fall victim to politics, even a blind man saw that he wasn’t a nfl caliber receiver." "Who cares about 1 touchdown in an entire 4 quarters when you only had 2 catches. Your number 1 all everything wide receiver had 2 catches in one of the most important games of the season. Let that sink in 6 yards 6 yards total for the number 1 receiver…" Ouch Ouch and Ouch. If that's not some low level bashing I don't know what it. You just cant make up your own history up in this piece with a thread trail. But moving on.
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 11, 2021 14:29:10 GMT -5
I never said that, I said jump ball U will not work in the Big South like it did in the MEAC, then people got in their feelings and said the MEAC is just as good as the BS and that bell was very successful with jump ball U. I stated he is a good lower level FCs player You right, you wasn't dogging the man....Naw, thats not what these are..... "Bell best games were against subpar competition, BS top teams are a lot better" "Yes they did suck and he didn’t show up vs ECU or Jacksonville state. Bell had 2 catches for 6 yards vs Jacksonville www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401030241Bell had 6 for 65 vs ecu…again, his best games were versus lower level competition. Bell had zero catches vs FAMU the entire first half and didn’t play the second half🤷🏾♂️ www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401180853Hence the reason he had no nfl tryout and no free agent contract. The facts/nfl don’t lie" "He didn’t fall victim to politics, even a blind man saw that he wasn’t a nfl caliber receiver." "Who cares about 1 touchdown in an entire 4 quarters when you only had 2 catches. Your number 1 all everything wide receiver had 2 catches in one of the most important games of the season. Let that sink in 6 yards 6 yards total for the number 1 receiver…" Ouch Ouch and Ouch. If that's not some low level bashing I don't know what it. You just cant make up your own history up in this piece with a thread trail. But moving on. It’s not bashing it’s facts, his best games were against low level competition 🤷🏾♂️. I’m sorry that you want to coddle people, that’s not me…the real world is tough Yes those are facts 6 yards on two catches… Like I said earlier if you don’t like it don’t respond and keep it moving…
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 11, 2021 14:35:23 GMT -5
The only time we will be going 5 wide is if we are down by double digits late in the game. or when forced to throw a "hail mary" pass into the endzone at the end of a game or half...
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