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Post by SixtiesAggie on Jan 7, 2020 19:04:12 GMT -5
He shoots too much, makes too little, and is not team-oriented enough for me to be a starter....not dogging him either, but that’s just what I see. The ride-or-die Aggies sitting with me at the games literally cringe when the ball is in his hands because, usually, a bad shoot is not far behind. I’m just saying..... I agree. He has to recognize his deficiencies and work to overcome them, as well as his mental errors. He was beginning to play as if he was the only player on the court, by taking bad shots. The coach was upset with him about his play of trying to take over the game. He has to recognize how his game will fit in with the talent that surrounds him. He is playing with people who have talent and can create mid-range shots for themselves or take it to the basket. He has to mature in his approach to the game.
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Post by Aggie One on Jan 7, 2020 20:54:43 GMT -5
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Post by VA's Finest on Jan 8, 2020 8:11:06 GMT -5
Kind of wish some how Aggie MBB could reach out to James JJ Miller to mentor young Fred Cleveland in the aspects of being an undersized scoring PG in this league, might dow wonders in his maturation process.
Of that 7-28 from starters, I wonder how much of them were contested shots. I need my PG to be a facilitator and create easy opportunities, which in turn should improve FG%. A stat that typically comes out when a P5 plays a mid major, like us or D2 is assisted FGs. Sometimes it's like 17 assists on 20 made goals and that team subsequently is usually shooting a pretty high FG position.
Langley does have a decent number of assists but I might take a look and see our assist to FGM ratio. I'm pretty sure there is a direct correlation in those 2 numbers.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 8, 2020 11:54:01 GMT -5
Kind of wish some how Aggie MBB could reach out to James JJ Miller to mentor young Fred Cleveland in the aspects of being an undersized scoring PG in this league, might dow wonders in his maturation process. Of that 7-28 from starters, I wonder how much of them were contested shots. I need my PG to be a facilitator and create easy opportunities, which in turn should improve FG%. A stat that typically comes out when a P5 plays a mid major, like us or D2 is assisted FGs. Sometimes it's like 17 assists on 20 made goals and that team subsequently is usually shooting a pretty high FG position. Langley does have a decent number of assists but I might take a look and see our assist to FGM ratio. I'm pretty sure there is a direct correlation in those 2 numbers. That's a tough raw analysis to try to take straight line. I'm looking more at our numbers overall. First 15 games (average/game): 56 FG attempts, 20 FT attempts, 12 assists, 16 TOs, 22.7 FGM FAMU game (regulation): 69 FG attempts, 36 FT attempts, 14 assists, 11 TOs, 27 FGM The 2nd half may have really been a fatigue challenge. We had 9 TOs and got beat in 2nd chance points 13-2. We also went 12 for 20 from the FT line. FAMU went 18 for 32 from the field. I think the monkey jumped on our back in the 2nd half a bit, and we caught our wind back in the last 5 minutes of regulation. Also factor in the fact that we were playing without Ty Lyons, which would have been 20 minutes of solid play in that rotation. I think that reduces the fatigue issue as the overall team acclimates to the uptempo pace in MEAC play. As far as the 7-28 goes: Dre has a habit of overdribbling off the catch. More often than not, he's open on the catch or open right off the screen. By over-dribbling, he gets himself contested. And maybe it's a situation where he should take more mid-range jumpers off the catch as well. Dev... he went downhill from the heat-check 3-ptr to start the game. I like Dev to get into the flow of the game from the inside to outside. That includes transition. The other challenge for Dre is recognizing plays downcourt in transition. I counted at least 3 plays where Dre could had gotten rid of the ball on outlet passes in transitions. Instead, he was dribbling in the backcourt and we had to run a halfcourt set. I know Dre isn't a PG... but if you're going to handle the ball a lot in an uptempo offense, your wings have to think like one. That's definitely an area of opportunity for Dre. I want Dre, Dev, Kam, and all of our guys to improve. And I believe they will as they get more comfortable.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 8, 2020 12:05:31 GMT -5
To me it always seems like Dre is hunting for the game he had at Wake Forest last year. Which leads to over dribbling and taking forced 3 point shots. He is best when he steps into a 3 off of ball rotation yet he always trying pull up and shoot a 3 over somebody. Hopefully Coach Jones will correct that.....
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 8, 2020 12:47:54 GMT -5
Another stat to look at is the points per FG/shot attempt (PPS). This takes into account FTs made and 3 ptrs made in terms of player efficiency.
Forwards R. Jackson - 210 pts/143 FGA (1.47) Dirty Harry - 34 pts/25 FGA (1.36) Tyrone Lyons - 98 pts/79 FGA (1.24) Web Filmore - 32 pts/26 FGA (1.23) D. Haygood - 115 pts/114 FGA (1.01)
Guards K. Langley - 123 pts/94 FGA (1.31) Kwe Parker - 28 pts/22 FGA (1.27) Tyler Maye - 121 pts/110 FGA (1.10) F. Cleveland - 144 pts/142 FGA (1.01) A. Jackson - 102 pts/133 FGA (0.77)
You can draw your own conclusions on the numbers. That's the beauty of analytics.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jan 8, 2020 12:54:47 GMT -5
To me it always seems like Dre is hunting for the game he had at Wake Forest last year. Which leads to over dribbling and taking forced 3 point shots. He is best when he steps into a 3 off of ball rotation yet he always trying pull up and shoot a 3 over somebody. Hopefully Coach Jones will correct that..... ....it can be corrected by benching him. He is out there consistently doing too much. When he does too much on the floor again - putting him on the pine would get the message through his head. Personally, I think this team is deep enough to where if a player is making too many mistakes (especially if it is the same mistake over and over again), that player can be benched with his sub not leading to a significant drop-off.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 8, 2020 13:18:53 GMT -5
i know for a "fact" that the conditioning level required to play an uptempo game is far greater than that required to play a half court game. and you can't switch it on "overnight".
its probably a valid argument that our guys lost their legs in the 2nd half of the famu game because they had not been "conditioned" to go uptempo for a full 40 minutes, plus overtime. they'll probably need another week or so to increase their "conditioning level" to sustain an uptempo style of play for 40 minutes provided we continue playing uptempo consistently.
lack of conditioning may also explain why our free throws were not falling against famu in the 2nd half. a lot of folk don't realilze this, but "all" midrange to longrange jump shots (including free throws) begin with your "legs". i'm sure most of ya'll have heard coaches and fans say, "bend your knees" when guys are about to shoot free throws. that's because there is a "power transfer" that starts from your legs that runs thru your midsection (abdomen/torso) to your upperbody on every midrange to longrange shot. that's why strengthening your abs helps basketball players tremendously.
so in other words, if your legs are "tired", your midrange to longrange shot ain't going in! don't matter how accurate a shooter you are standing still. but your shot ain't going in if your legs are tired. great midrange to longrange shooters "must" have well conditioned legs in order to sustain high percentage outside shooting for 40 minutes or more.
so i'll be watching over the coming week or so to see if we're able to sustain our energy level for 40 minutes and if so, that'll be a sign that we've increased our conditioning level...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jan 8, 2020 13:40:20 GMT -5
We were one of the worst teams in NCAA basketball in shooting free throws before we implemented the up-tempo style against Mid Atlantic Christian and FAMU. It can even be the first few minutes of the game. When it comes to the FT line, we stink. Even if you look at the 1st half stats vs FAMU, we were only 10 of 16 from the FT line. That ain't good enough. Currently, we are 345th out of 350 DI teams when it comes to FT percentage.....(212-351 = 60.4%). That's who we are, whether we run or crawl on offense. We're a bad-shooting team. I'm not knocking your FT-shooting tips OSA, but these dudes can bend their knees and elbows, and crack their knuckles and necks before each FT attempt. I don't know how much better things will get at the charity stripe during the remainder of the season. www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/150/p7
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 8, 2020 14:17:06 GMT -5
To me it always seems like Dre is hunting for the game he had at Wake Forest last year. Which leads to over dribbling and taking forced 3 point shots. He is best when he steps into a 3 off of ball rotation yet he always trying pull up and shoot a 3 over somebody. Hopefully Coach Jones will correct that..... Dre has the ability to get red-hot. The 2018 Wake game is the big example. So similar to Terry Harris last year... you gotta play him. And Dre is a better defender & rebounder than Scary Terry. But based on the PPS numbers, you also gotta give Ty Lyons & Kwe Parker more burn in the 3 spot as well. Not to mention that both of those guys run the floor really well and provide an extra above-the-rim element in the transition game.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 8, 2020 14:41:21 GMT -5
i know for a "fact" that the conditioning level required to play an uptempo game is far greater than that required to play a half court game. and you can't switch it on "overnight". its probably a valid argument that our guys lost their legs in the 2nd half of the famu game because they had not been "conditioned" to go uptempo for a full 40 minutes, plus overtime. they'll probably need another week or so to increase their "conditioning level" to sustain an uptempo style of play for 40 minutes provided we continue playing uptempo consistently. lack of conditioning may also explain why our free throws were not falling against famu in the 2nd half. a lot of folk don't realilze this, but "all" midrange to longrange jump shots (including free throws) begin with your "legs". i'm sure most of ya'll have heard coaches and fans say, "bend your knees" when guys are about to shoot free throws. that's because there is a "power transfer" that starts from your legs that runs thru your midsection (abdomen/torso) to your upperbody on every midrange to longrange shot. that's why strengthening your abs helps basketball players tremendously. so in other words, if your legs are "tired", your midrange to longrange shot ain't going in! don't matter how accurate a shooter you are standing still. but your shot ain't going in if your legs are tired. great midrange to longrange shooters "must" have well conditioned legs in order to sustain high percentage outside shooting for 40 minutes or more. so i'll be watching over the coming week or so to see if we're able to sustain our energy level for 40 minutes and if so, that'll be a sign that we've increased our conditioning level... We're definitely on the same page as far as fatigue being a factor in the 2nd half. But the FT shooting part might be a separate issue. 1st half: 10-16 2nd half: 12-20 Overtime: 9-16 Total FT: 31-52 It's gotta be a focus.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 8, 2020 15:24:43 GMT -5
i know for a "fact" that the conditioning level required to play an uptempo game is far greater than that required to play a half court game. and you can't switch it on "overnight". its probably a valid argument that our guys lost their legs in the 2nd half of the famu game because they had not been "conditioned" to go uptempo for a full 40 minutes, plus overtime. they'll probably need another week or so to increase their "conditioning level" to sustain an uptempo style of play for 40 minutes provided we continue playing uptempo consistently. lack of conditioning may also explain why our free throws were not falling against famu in the 2nd half. a lot of folk don't realilze this, but "all" midrange to longrange jump shots (including free throws) begin with your "legs". i'm sure most of ya'll have heard coaches and fans say, "bend your knees" when guys are about to shoot free throws. that's because there is a "power transfer" that starts from your legs that runs thru your midsection (abdomen/torso) to your upperbody on every midrange to longrange shot. that's why strengthening your abs helps basketball players tremendously. so in other words, if your legs are "tired", your midrange to longrange shot ain't going in! don't matter how accurate a shooter you are standing still. but your shot ain't going in if your legs are tired. great midrange to longrange shooters "must" have well conditioned legs in order to sustain high percentage outside shooting for 40 minutes or more. so i'll be watching over the coming week or so to see if we're able to sustain our energy level for 40 minutes and if so, that'll be a sign that we've increased our conditioning level... You said a lot here. I work with my youth football players all the time, trying to get them to understand how power and explosive movement is actually triggered by their core.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 8, 2020 15:44:39 GMT -5
i know for a "fact" that the conditioning level required to play an uptempo game is far greater than that required to play a half court game. and you can't switch it on "overnight". its probably a valid argument that our guys lost their legs in the 2nd half of the famu game because they had not been "conditioned" to go uptempo for a full 40 minutes, plus overtime. they'll probably need another week or so to increase their "conditioning level" to sustain an uptempo style of play for 40 minutes provided we continue playing uptempo consistently. lack of conditioning may also explain why our free throws were not falling against famu in the 2nd half. a lot of folk don't realilze this, but "all" midrange to longrange jump shots (including free throws) begin with your "legs". i'm sure most of ya'll have heard coaches and fans say, "bend your knees" when guys are about to shoot free throws. that's because there is a "power transfer" that starts from your legs that runs thru your midsection (abdomen/torso) to your upperbody on every midrange to longrange shot. that's why strengthening your abs helps basketball players tremendously. so in other words, if your legs are "tired", your midrange to longrange shot ain't going in! don't matter how accurate a shooter you are standing still. but your shot ain't going in if your legs are tired. great midrange to longrange shooters "must" have well conditioned legs in order to sustain high percentage outside shooting for 40 minutes or more. so i'll be watching over the coming week or so to see if we're able to sustain our energy level for 40 minutes and if so, that'll be a sign that we've increased our conditioning level... You said a lot here. I work with my youth football players all the time, trying to get them to understand how power and explosive movement is actually triggered by their core. i played contact football from pop warner all the way thru high school, but i've never coached football. i also played organized basketball the same number of years, but unlike football i have coached basketball and learned a great deal thru clinics, seminars, assistant coaching, and head coaching, as well as my own research. so i'm confident that some of the same "power transfer" principles translate to football as well. when i was coaching, the example i always used to teach "power transfer" was to imagine your abdomen/torso area being as solid as a "brick". then think about "pushing" from the bottom of that brick hard abdomen area upward (like your legs do). that way you can easily see how your legs transfer its power thru your abdomen/torso area to your upper body. to further explain, let's use that same example except instead of your abdomen area being rock solid, it is now as soft as a wet "sponge". now imagine how much power transfer you'll get from your legs when pushing upward? you'd get hardly any transfer, if any at all. of course this is an "extreme" example, but in principle that's how power transfer works. that's why when you strengthen your abs (sit ups, leg lifts, etc.), your power transfer from your legs will go directly to your upperbody. that's particularly important for running backs when running low between the tackles with their shoulders low. i would also think it would benefit offensive linemen the same way when they're run blocking. you tuck that shoulder into your opponent and then "drive" with your legs...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 8, 2020 16:24:15 GMT -5
To me it always seems like Dre is hunting for the game he had at Wake Forest last year. Which leads to over dribbling and taking forced 3 point shots. He is best when he steps into a 3 off of ball rotation yet he always trying pull up and shoot a 3 over somebody. Hopefully Coach Jones will correct that..... Dre has the ability to get red-hot. The 2018 Wake game is the big example. So similar to Terry Harris last year... you gotta play him. And Dre is a better defender & rebounder than Scary Terry. But based on the PPS numbers, you also gotta give Ty Lyons & Kwe Parker more burn in the 3 spot as well. Not to mention that both of those guys run the floor really well and provide an extra above-the-rim element in the transition game. Dre can get hot but he is not a pure shooter like Terry and Lord knows Dre better defender than Terry Harris. I think this will correct itself with Maye & Parker back and you are correct you miss some rebounding but you pick up great mid range shooting - Maye & transition buckets with Parker
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 8, 2020 16:30:40 GMT -5
We were one of the worst teams in NCAA basketball in shooting free throws before we implemented the up-tempo style against Mid Atlantic Christian and FAMU. It can even be the first few minutes of the game. When it comes to the FT line, we stink. Even if you look at the 1st half stats vs FAMU, we were only 10 of 16 from the FT line. That ain't good enough. Currently, we are 345th out of 350 DI teams when it comes to FT percentage.....(212-351 = 60.4%). That's who we are, whether we run or crawl on offense. We're a bad-shooting team. I'm not knocking your FT-shooting tips OSA, but these dudes can bend their knees and elbows, and crack their knuckles and necks before each FT attempt. I don't know how much better things will get at the charity stripe during the remainder of the season. www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/150/p7We can analyze free throw shooting all day and their aint no excuse for 345 out 350. I would hope they practice free throws at the end of practice or after running some sprints like every college, middle school, AAU teams, and YMCA in the country. Some of its focus as example Action Jackson hit 2 free throws at end regulation to give us a 2 point lead then missed back to back free throws in OT
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