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Post by saabman on Jul 15, 2019 7:56:26 GMT -5
wow! they have a camp for "junior college" athletes? hey, and why not? its a good way to take a first hand look at some "junior college" prospects who might be able to help your squad. i ain't mad at 'em, i think the more camps the better... How many junior colleges that play football are located with in a 4 hour drive from Greensboro . FAMU is located in a JC heavy region so I can see them having a Prospects Camp just for Junior College players .
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Post by bluehaze on Jul 20, 2019 16:42:14 GMT -5
Aggie Monster are you and your son hydrated and ready to give your impressions of the camp?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 21, 2019 10:48:37 GMT -5
So we did go yesterday. Let me first say that the powers that be do get opinions from this board. Whether its directly from reading it or by 2nd hand.
They made 3 changes I suggested from last year's camp that I noticed right off.
1) Registration was outside and under the bleachers. Last year the field house was too hot because they could not keep the doors closed. I suggested moving it underneath the bleachers, they did. It was way cooler for everyone.
2) The players that were goofing off during weight and height checks last year. Not this year! Because registration was outside they were in view of everyone and were own their best behavior. I was really impressed with Amir McNeil's polite personality and down to earth conversation with campers and parents.
3) They actually used the jumbotrons sound system this year to keep the kids a little pumped up and heads bobbing.
As far as the camp itself. The registration ran long. Which caused camp to start about 45-50 minutes late. It was about 400 kids based on my estimates, more than about 300 from last year. Then it started to thunder and lightning, so they had to delay it. But they did have a good idea to feed the kids hot dogs and hamburgers during the delay. They started back about 3:30pm. Chris Barnett was very good at communicating during the delay. I would say about 50 kids didnt stay because of how long the delay was. So they warmed back up and split out into groups. Teaching was good. Organization was good.
They did not fix the problem I had with the 1on1s last year though. The senior DBs took about 75% of all the DB reps on one side of the field. The younger guys got pushed back and not really given a chance because there were these 3-4 older guys that just kept jumping out there. I get it, "closed mouths dont eat," but they really need to change that to a more civilized competition. The other side was better. The kids respected each other a little more on that side. The RBs vs LBs was evenly repped and the other sides DB vs WRs was evenly repped and civilized. It was just that one group on the near home side that was super rowdy. My son moved to the other side after I yelled out there to him and got some decent reps in at DB. He is just a risimg soph so he wasnt going to bo-guard his way into the rowdy side. He did once, but after that he moved across the field. So did a few other kids. Even upper classmen. I got tired of looking at the same 3 guys walk back and get right back in front. Not only that, but if you going to strong arm your way to the front over and over again at least have great technique. They were just OK, nothing awesome to look at. But maybe that was by design because A&T had specific DBs they wanted to see over and over for eval. So maybe they wanted those guys going over and over. My son was saying they were not letting you go on that side because he kept telling certain guys to get back out there. There were about 40 DBs there total after the delay, so if they had invited a few DBs personally i can see why they kept getting them out there vs letting sophs and freshmen gey reps, but thats why i told my son to move. I think that was the "we evaluating a few kats we considering offers to" side.
The TEs got a WHOLE lot of reps cause it was just 6 of them in the group. So im sure their was plenty of eval going on there.
But overall they made those 3 adjustments, so it was an improvement.
The main complaint I heard from parents was about the late start. Even the scheduled start at 11 was a mistake. If they had started at 9 they would have beat the storm and the heat. It always starts storming in the afternoon, so why you would not start early when storms have been forcasted for over a week and it was suppose to be 98 didn't make since. I know 4 others camps that day that started at 9am and were done by 12. One being NCCU.
I also heard a few people say they would have bought concessions. Why not sell those burgers and dogs to parents. Money lose there. We had to ride to the Popeyes while the kids ate, where i saw 3 other sets of parents inside and several Bojangles and Popeyes boxes in the trash cans at the stadium. All that money could have went to the program.
But overall, good camp. Nothing special, nothing terrible. My son learned something, Which is always the goal. Next year is his "OK, time to take camps serious" year. As a soph he still a little on the skinny side even though he 5-11ish, so he wouldn't turn heads just yet next to seniors anyway. But we will return next year unless there is a huge conflict.
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Post by aggieforlife on Jul 21, 2019 11:20:06 GMT -5
I like the report on the Camp maybe it's time to have a 2 Day Camp a Offense Camp and a Defense Camp,what did the QBs numbers look like.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 21, 2019 11:22:59 GMT -5
I think I counted about 20 QBs
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Post by saabman on Jul 21, 2019 16:06:49 GMT -5
So we did go yesterday. Let me first say that the powers that be do get opinions from this board. Whether its directly from reading it or by 2nd hand. They made 3 changes I suggested from last year's camp that I noticed right off. 1) Registration was outside and under the bleachers. Last year the field house was too hot because they could not keep the doors closed. I suggested moving it underneath the bleachers, they did. It was way cooler for everyone. 2) The players that were goofing off during weight and height checks last year. Not this year! Because registration was outside they were in view of everyone and were own their best behavior. I was really impressed with Amir McNeil's polite personality and down to earth conversation with campers and parents. 3) They actually used the jumbotrons sound system this year to keep the kids a little pumped up and heads bobbing. As far as the camp itself. The registration ran long. Which caused camp to start about 45-50 minutes late. It was about 400 kids based on my estimates, more than about 300 from last year. Then it started to thunder and lightning, so they had to delay it. But they did have a good idea to feed the kids hot dogs and hamburgers during the delay. They started back about 3:30pm. Chris Barnett was very good at communicating during the delay. I would say about 50 kids didnt stay because of how long the delay was. So they warmed back up and split out into groups. Teaching was good. Organization was good. They did not fix the problem I had with the 1on1s last year though. The senior DBs took about 75% of all the DB reps on one side of the field. The younger guys got pushed back and not really given a chance because there were these 3-4 older guys that just kept jumping out there. I get it, "closed mouths dont eat," but they really need to change that to a more civilized competition. The other side was better. The kids respected each other a little more on that side. The RBs vs LBs was evenly repped and the other sides DB vs WRs was evenly repped and civilized. It was just that one group on the near home side that was super rowdy. My son moved to the other side after I yelled out there to him and got some decent reps in at DB. He is just a risimg soph so he wasnt going to bo-guard his way into the rowdy side. He did once, but after that he moved across the field. So did a few other kids. Even upper classmen. I got tired of looking at the same 3 guys walk back and get right back in front. Not only that, but if you going to strong arm your way to the front over and over again at least have great technique. They were just OK, nothing awesome to look at. But maybe that was by design because A&T had specific DBs they wanted to see over and over for eval. So maybe they wanted those guys going over and over. My son was saying they were not letting you go on that side because he kept telling certain guys to get back out there. There were about 40 DBs there total after the delay, so if they had invited a few DBs personally i can see why they kept getting them out there vs letting sophs and freshmen gey reps, but thats why i told my son to move. I think that was the "we evaluating a few kats we considering offers to" side. The TEs got a WHOLE lot of reps cause it was just 6 of them in the group. So im sure their was plenty of eval going on there. But overall they made those 3 adjustments, so it was an improvement. The main complaint I heard from parents was about the late start. Even the scheduled start at 11 was a mistake. If they had started at 9 they would have beat the storm and the heat. It always starts storming in the afternoon, so why you would not start early when storms have been forcasted for over a week and it was suppose to be 98 didn't make since. I know 4 others camps that day that started at 9am and were done by 12. One being NCCU. I also heard a few people say they would have bought concessions. Why not sell those burgers and dogs to parents. Money lose there. We had to ride to the Popeyes while the kids ate, where i saw 3 other sets of parents inside and several Bojangles and Popeyes boxes in the trash cans at the stadium. All that money could have went to the program. But overall, good camp. Nothing special, nothing terrible. My son learned something, Which is always the goal. Next year is his "OK, time to take camps serious" year. As a soph he still a little on the skinny side even though he 5-11ish, so he wouldn't turn heads just yet next to seniors anyway. But we will return next year unless there is a huge conflict. "They were just OK, nothing awesome to look at. But maybe that was by design because A&T had specific DBs they wanted to see over and over for eval. So maybe they wanted those guys going over and over. My son was saying they were not letting you go on that side because he kept telling certain guys to get back out there. There were about 40 DBs there total after the delay, so if they had invited a few DBs personally i can see why they kept getting them out there vs letting sophs and freshmen gey reps, but thats why i told my son to move. I think that was the "we evaluating a few kats we considering offers to" side." That is not they way it should be and for me if I was the coach I would make them get to the back of the line and Waite there turn Camps are to teach not only Technique but also Discipline and attitude That was unacceptable in my opinion
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Post by Maxell on Jul 21, 2019 22:08:44 GMT -5
So we did go yesterday. Let me first say that the powers that be do get opinions from this board. Whether its directly from reading it or by 2nd hand. They made 3 changes I suggested from last year's camp that I noticed right off. 1) Registration was outside and under the bleachers. Last year the field house was too hot because they could not keep the doors closed. I suggested moving it underneath the bleachers, they did. It was way cooler for everyone. 2) The players that were goofing off during weight and height checks last year. Not this year! Because registration was outside they were in view of everyone and were own their best behavior. I was really impressed with Amir McNeil's polite personality and down to earth conversation with campers and parents. 3) They actually used the jumbotrons sound system this year to keep the kids a little pumped up and heads bobbing. As far as the camp itself. The registration ran long. Which caused camp to start about 45-50 minutes late. It was about 400 kids based on my estimates, more than about 300 from last year. Then it started to thunder and lightning, so they had to delay it. But they did have a good idea to feed the kids hot dogs and hamburgers during the delay. They started back about 3:30pm. Chris Barnett was very good at communicating during the delay. I would say about 50 kids didnt stay because of how long the delay was. So they warmed back up and split out into groups. Teaching was good. Organization was good. They did not fix the problem I had with the 1on1s last year though. The senior DBs took about 75% of all the DB reps on one side of the field. The younger guys got pushed back and not really given a chance because there were these 3-4 older guys that just kept jumping out there. I get it, "closed mouths dont eat," but they really need to change that to a more civilized competition. The other side was better. The kids respected each other a little more on that side. The RBs vs LBs was evenly repped and the other sides DB vs WRs was evenly repped and civilized. It was just that one group on the near home side that was super rowdy. My son moved to the other side after I yelled out there to him and got some decent reps in at DB. He is just a risimg soph so he wasnt going to bo-guard his way into the rowdy side. He did once, but after that he moved across the field. So did a few other kids. Even upper classmen. I got tired of looking at the same 3 guys walk back and get right back in front. Not only that, but if you going to strong arm your way to the front over and over again at least have great technique. They were just OK, nothing awesome to look at. But maybe that was by design because A&T had specific DBs they wanted to see over and over for eval. So maybe they wanted those guys going over and over. My son was saying they were not letting you go on that side because he kept telling certain guys to get back out there. There were about 40 DBs there total after the delay, so if they had invited a few DBs personally i can see why they kept getting them out there vs letting sophs and freshmen gey reps, but thats why i told my son to move. I think that was the "we evaluating a few kats we considering offers to" side. The TEs got a WHOLE lot of reps cause it was just 6 of them in the group. So im sure their was plenty of eval going on there. But overall they made those 3 adjustments, so it was an improvement. The main complaint I heard from parents was about the late start. Even the scheduled start at 11 was a mistake. If they had started at 9 they would have beat the storm and the heat. It always starts storming in the afternoon, so why you would not start early when storms have been forcasted for over a week and it was suppose to be 98 didn't make since. I know 4 others camps that day that started at 9am and were done by 12. One being NCCU. I also heard a few people say they would have bought concessions. Why not sell those burgers and dogs to parents. Money lose there. We had to ride to the Popeyes while the kids ate, where i saw 3 other sets of parents inside and several Bojangles and Popeyes boxes in the trash cans at the stadium. All that money could have went to the program. But overall, good camp. Nothing special, nothing terrible. My son learned something, Which is always the goal. Next year is his "OK, time to take camps serious" year. As a soph he still a little on the skinny side even though he 5-11ish, so he wouldn't turn heads just yet next to seniors anyway. But we will return next year unless there is a huge conflict. "They were just OK, nothing awesome to look at. But maybe that was by design because A&T had specific DBs they wanted to see over and over for eval. So maybe they wanted those guys going over and over. My son was saying they were not letting you go on that side because he kept telling certain guys to get back out there. There were about 40 DBs there total after the delay, so if they had invited a few DBs personally i can see why they kept getting them out there vs letting sophs and freshmen gey reps, but thats why i told my son to move. I think that was the "we evaluating a few kats we considering offers to" side." That is not they way it should be and for me if I was the coach I would make them get to the back of the line and Waite there turn Camps are to teach not only Technique but also Discipline and attitude That was unacceptable in my opinion I get what you're saying, but this IS a PROSPECT Camp. It is designed to be more of a recruiting tool while also teaching fundamentals. As far as balance goes, the pendulum would probably swing a little more towards recruiting looks in this particular camp. To that end, if the camp continues to grow they might have to put numbers on the t-shirts to better be able to identify those that show a glimmer of college level talent.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 22, 2019 6:23:03 GMT -5
The kids had numbers written down their arm in silver marker so a coach could read that number if they needed to. That's kind of bootleg, but I've only seen FBS schools use the numbers on the actual shirts.
But let me say again that it was only that one group that was a little out of control because it was a whole lot of the DB's. The wide receivers may have had the same issue because it was a lot of them also. On the flip side I heard nccu didn't have that problem because they force the kids in a line to take that turns and if a kid look good on his rep then they would just match them up with somebody of equal ability when he came up again, but it didn't impede on the other campers reps. And I would say that that's how it's done most of the time.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 22, 2019 9:04:10 GMT -5
Some time camps are great others.......My daughter went to UT Tyler Girls Basketball Camp. The coach was familiar with about 10 of the girls so she and her 1st assistance spent 85% of there time with them while the other 20 campers were assigned to a 1st year Grad Student assistant.
I let her know about it as well. We had a few fairly heated emails but in the end she agreed that is not the way to run a camp and agreed to make some changes for next year. I do have to applaud their Coach as she could just hit delete but she took the feedback with intent on changes. On the flip side Grambling camp was the next day and it was awesome they spent some personal time with each girl and had them scrimmage current team. The campers were evenly divided up into teams for 5 on 5.
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Post by aggieman007 on Jul 22, 2019 12:51:51 GMT -5
Split the camp over 2 days. Rising seniors prospect camp separate camp. My Son was there last year hard to get a look from the coaches.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 22, 2019 14:25:31 GMT -5
Split the camp over 2 days. Rising seniors prospect camp separate camp. My Son was there last year hard to get a look from the coaches. I agree, I just watched a few clips of the 1on1s and I laughed every time I saw those same 2 guys without helmets keep jumping out there. But it's all good. They will make it perfect one day I guess. We'll be back again next year and I'll be giving my suggestions again. And just to repeat them in a shorter post. Here are my list of improvements the camp could make: - Fix that CB/WR free for all. Not only is it not fair to the younger or more respectful campers, but you could miss out on a kid because he is just not aggressively rude. All studs aint super aggressive jerks that jump line.
- 11am start in late July? I know this was the reschedule date and time, but someone with some authority knew better than that. For the heat it worked out because it was cool after the storms, but it would have been over before the storms had they started at 9am
- I saw a lot of alumni there and some wanted to buy some A&T paraphernalia. Just saying. I might have copped a new "something" if they were out there to get.
Thats it. I never have a problem with what's being taught and how. We do a good job at that. Thats really the meat of what camp is suppose to be about, so we still holding a good camp. Last year I had about 6 negatives. Its down to 1 major and 2 minors this year so we improved. Players like LBs, TEs and even Linemen might have a completely different take on camp because it wasn't nearly as many of them in one group. TE's got so much work they were probably worn out.
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Post by The Professor on Jul 22, 2019 22:00:32 GMT -5
My son and i was there. I agree it needs to be split up. The DB issue was crazy. Coaches were putting the 4 star kid from Ragsdale up there and evaluating him. Was a fan of the last start. But my son learned and got reps and tips. Thought coach Barnett did a good job keeping people informed
I will say we went to Elon on Sun and it was a bit more well put together. Kids were split up by class and then position.
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