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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Feb 21, 2016 12:55:42 GMT -5
Good luck with that aggie2039. Football is not like basketball, and the NCAA is not going to pay the type of cash or offer the type of support needed to make a playoff at this level work. The fan interest just isn't there.
The idea that FCS teams have to pay to host playoff games...is bad enough...then to add insult to injury you have to give the NCAA most of your gate.
Nah, I say pass...why pay to try to win a championship no one cares about. Most people I know don't even know what FCS is...or how many times ndsu has won the playoff.
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Post by bseballaggie on Feb 21, 2016 20:42:54 GMT -5
John, whats your real point, are you offended somehow, are researching, explain the challenge, if you have attended HBCU homecomings, you would know that a lot of us stay in the parking lot tailgating, entertaining other activities, alot of people where not there to see the game, they came for the festivities, but they had to buy a ticket to participate. LL I wasn't in the game when we scored our first TD, I was in the bar and food area with hundreds of others, you showed a picture of the kick off, Im sure it was a different picture around the 3rd Quarter
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Post by aggierattler on Feb 21, 2016 20:59:02 GMT -5
John, whats your real point, are you offended somehow, are researching, explain the challenge, if you have attended HBCU homecomings, you would know that a lot of us stay in the parking lot tailgating, entertaining other activities, alot of people where not there to see the game, they came for the festivities, but they had to buy a ticket to participate. LL I wasn't in the game when we scored our first TD, I was in the bar and food area with hundreds of others, you showed a picture of the kick off, Im sure it was a different picture around the 3rd Quarter AGREED!
And if you really want to get a truer picture of what the crowd was really like at the Celebration Bowl, get a shot that was taken about 5 minutes before the halftime show was over.
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Post by Maxell on Feb 21, 2016 21:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by bseballaggie on Feb 21, 2016 21:25:41 GMT -5
JOHN? ?
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Post by Striktly on Feb 21, 2016 21:36:19 GMT -5
And that is how I remember seeing the dome with my own eyes. This was year "one". I see nothing but growth and opportunity in the years ahead based upon my experience with the CB. If the AD states we cleared $500k then the playoffs are a tough sale. In addition to the actual game, there were quite a few things done to make a positive impact in the community which was also something I was happy to see. An opinion is individually based, and mine is in favor of the CB after initially thinking we were settling as a conference. We walked away with a big check and attempted to impact the community. That's a win in my book all day.
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Post by bseballaggie on Feb 21, 2016 21:58:40 GMT -5
BTW since I'm on a MEAC team board I've got to say that I still can't believe the MEAC allowed itself to be dragged down by the SWAC.I think we have ourselves a SPOOK
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Post by aggierattler on Feb 21, 2016 22:05:14 GMT -5
And that is how I remember seeing the dome with my own eyes. This was year "one". I see nothing but growth and opportunity in the years ahead based upon my experience with the CB. If the AD states we cleared $500k then the playoffs are a tough sale. In addition to the actual game, there were quite a few things done to make a positive impact in the community which was also something I was happy to see. An opinion is individually based, and mine is in favor of the CB after initially thinking we were settling as a conference. We walked away with a big check and attempted to impact the community. That's a win in my book all day.
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Post by Maxell on Feb 21, 2016 22:14:11 GMT -5
1. Our chancellor informed us that the Celebration Bowl gave us over $12 million in free advertising exposure and that applications to A&T were up 70-90% over the previous year. 2. We received a net gain of $500K+ from the Celebration Bowl. Every school that participated in the FCS playoffs in 2015 likely did it at a financial loss. As much as I'd like to compete for national championships.... we can't beat this deal for the next couple of years. Interesting article on the affect of football success and national exposure on school admissions from Harvard Business School. THE "FLUTIE EFFECT" REVISITED JUNE 5, 2013 BY TEDDY KOLVAIt only takes a few rounds in the collegiate sports blogosphere to find that one envious, bitter opinion that casts a false perception on Boston College sports. You guys would be nothing without Doug Flutie — he did everything for you. Without him, you would be staring down Patriot League foes every Saturday afternoon. While it is outrageous to claim that Flutie is the sole reason for Boston College’s surge to excellence, as years and years of dedication and passion by outstanding individuals have helped to lift the school to its current prominence, Flutie’s impact was quite considerable. After his playing years ended — long after his miraculous Hail Mary heave to Gerard Phelan against Miami — Boston College saw a 30 percent increase in admissions in two years. A recent study conducted by Doug Chung, an assistant professor of business administration at Harvard Business School, draws on Flutie’s impact on Boston College. In his paper, titled "The Dynamic Advertising Effect of Collegiate Athletics," he shows a striking correlation between success on the football field and positive growth in admissions factors. Dubbed the “Flutie Effect” in conjunction with the massive impact former Boston College quarterback Doug Flutie had on BC’s admissions and collegiate marketing efforts in the early 1980s, Chung details the importance of collegiate sports as a vehicle for university marketing. While Chung believes that educational excellence is a factor in admissions growth, his research also reveals that sports are crucial to a school’s branding and popularity. He found that when a school enhances the quality of its football team (coined as going from “mediocre” to “great”), applications increase by 17.7 percent. To achieve a similar end, a school would have to lower tuition by 3.8 percent, or hire better faculty, which would cost the school a 5.1 percent wage increase. A table found in Chung’s research also differentiates admissions statistics between AQ (Automatic Qualifier) and non-AQ universities.Chung refers to athletic success as a “stock of goodwill that decays over time.” Like the shelf life of advertising in the business world, the gridiron has the ability to enhance the school’s popularity—but it is neither constant nor sustained if a team’s performance declines.AQ schools see not only a higher number of applications, but also a higher quality of applicants. These schools are in conferences that, by design, give the champion of the conference an automatic berth to one of five Bowl Championship Series bowl games. Perhaps the most surprising of all of his findings, Chung shows that even students with higher SAT scores are drawn to a school experiencing success on the football field. Some may assume that a school with an excelling football program lacks the academic prestige to attract cream-of-the-crop students, but that is far from true according to Chung’s study. He previously discovered that students with lower SAT scores were attracted to the school, but also found that higher-quality applicants were attracted to the same school. Chung guesses that such higher-quality applicants are drawn to a university with a successful football program because the school likely garnered national attention and therefore projected a more potent, desirable brand. He also considers an American culture that values sports to a very significant degree. bcgavel.com/2013/06/05/the-flutie-effect-revisited/Full Research Paper www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/13-067_99c551d6-c484-4245-9e49-964d2283cd98.pdf
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Post by saabman on Feb 21, 2016 22:16:04 GMT -5
BTW since I'm on a MEAC team board I've got to say that I still can't believe the MEAC allowed itself to be dragged down by the SWAC. Beating the SWAC champ is like beating up your best friend's little sister. It is THE weakest FCS league except for possibly the Pioneer. Over the past 10 years the SWAC is 11-44 against teams from Conferences that are still in the playoffs. The average outcome is the SWAC team losing by 20 points. Over the period SWAC champions are 1-4 against such teams. Here are the results of the SWAC champ games with teams from conferences that still participate in the playoffs: 2006 Alabama A&M 27, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 20 2007 Jackson State 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 16 2008 Grambling State 19, Northwestern State (4-3 in the Southland) 31 2012 Arkansas Pine Bluff 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 40 2013 Southern University 14, Northwestern State (3-4 in the Southland) 56 So the question is: Just what exactly are you accomplishing by beating the SWAC champion?
Why or we having this conversation again about the benefits of playing this bowl over staying in the FCS playoffs ?? John if you go back to the older threads and read them you will see that we have dissected this game from top to bottom over an over again So What is your point ?! Most of the FCS schools AD's as I have stated before or now actively looking into getting a bowl game or reformatting the the FCS playoff system altogether So what is your point ??
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 21, 2016 22:42:48 GMT -5
If we win the celebration bowl next year I see our enrollment growing to 12K
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Post by Maxell on Feb 22, 2016 0:09:22 GMT -5
If we win the celebration bowl next year I see our enrollment growing to 12K That's probably a little high. I think we will be more selective with more applications. Renick tried to artificially increase enrollment and it didn't work. The biggest change will be how many of those accepted will actually choose A&T. Every year we leave about 1100 students on the table because they choose other schools although they were accepted by A&T. We usually get about 6000 applications a year, from those we accept a little over 3000, and from those around 1900 actually attend. Let's be conservative. If the number of applications increased by 50% from 6000 to 9000, a good number of those additional 3000 student apps will not qualify. So let's say instead of accepting 3000, we accept 3500. The increase in admissions is going to come from how many of that 3500 will show up on campus in August. Bottomline, I think enrollment gets a bump and increases to 10,900 this year and breaks 11,000 the following year. I know the goal for 2020 is 13,000. If we win another CB it would certainly help that process. Another quote from the Harvard study:
Why would athletic success have any impact on an academic institution’s applications for admission? There may be several reasons. First, this effect may be due to simply an increase in awareness. There are many academic institutions in the United States and chances are that many of them are fairly unknown. So having a successful athletics program could increase the visibility of these institutions to students who have not yet decided on which school to apply to. Even for schools that are fairly well known, the buzz generated by performance on the field can lead to stories on the evening news and in the sports pages of newspapers that may further increase awareness of these schools. One can go a bit deeper, though. Sports are a big part of American culture. It is common for people in the United States to make the sporting events of their alumni institutions the focal point of their social interactions. Students may find it appealing to take part in such social bonding over sports in order to feel as though they are a part of something special, something bigger than themselves. This can lead to a virtuous cycle of improved alumni engagement with the school that translates into donations and help with job placement for current students, all of which enhances the school’s success. www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/13-067_99c551d6-c484-4245-9e49-964d2283cd98.pdf
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 22, 2016 7:58:37 GMT -5
So far this year we have 13400 apps and accepted 3400...dont forget our increased focus on transfer students. 1300 freshman students have confirmed their attendance for next year. I stand by 12k
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 22, 2016 8:13:50 GMT -5
10k who actually have a chance of graduating is better than 12k who are thrown to the sharks any day of the week. Hopefully we're being A LOT more selective than we were under Renick.
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 22, 2016 8:35:29 GMT -5
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