|
Post by bseballaggie on Feb 19, 2016 9:17:54 GMT -5
Another note to consider, ABC was scheduled to break away from the game around the third Quarter, to cover another game but Cohen!!!....and both teams continued to turn it up. link? Maxell, this wasn't something I read, I was listening to a post game commentary with J Walker and some other commentators, and heard the statement, It was also stated at in the commentary that thy where or would be working to get Jerry Rice and Mike Strahan, to work this seasons game, with the future strategy of getting other former HBCU/NFL players to commentate the future games.
|
|
Maxell
Official BDF member
Director of BDF Marketing
Posts: 12,398
|
Post by Maxell on Feb 19, 2016 12:39:58 GMT -5
Maxell, this wasn't something I read, I was listening to a post game commentary with J Walker and some other commentators, and heard the statement, It was also stated at in the commentary that thy where or would be working to get Jerry Rice and Mike Strahan, to work this seasons game, with the future strategy of getting other former HBCU/NFL players to commentate the future games. Cool. If they are able to get Rice or Strahan that would certainly raise the profile. Strahan is going to cost you though. I would also seek out Celebrities who attended MEAC/SWAC schools to make an appearance over the next five years such as: Jesse - A&T Diddy - Howard Taraji - A&T and Howard Terrance J - A&T Common -FAMU K Michelle - FAMU Erykah Badu - Grambling Wendy Raquel Robinson - Howard Wanda Sykes - Hampton Ruben Studdard - Alabama A&M David Banner - Southern Will Packer - FAMU 2Chainz - Alabama State
|
|
|
Post by bseballaggie on Feb 19, 2016 21:00:18 GMT -5
Maxell, this wasn't something I read, I was listening to a post game commentary with J Walker and some other commentators, and heard the statement, It was also stated at in the commentary that thy where or would be working to get Jerry Rice and Mike Strahan, to work this seasons game, with the future strategy of getting other former HBCU/NFL players to commentate the future games. Cool. If they are able to get Rice or Strahan that would certainly raise the profile. Strahan is going to cost you though. I would also seek out Celebrities who attended MEAC/SWAC schools to make an appearance over the next five years such as: Jesse - A&T Diddy - Howard Taraji - A&T and Howard Terrance J - A&T Common -FAMU K Michelle - FAMU Erykah Badu - Grambling Wendy Raquel Robinson - Howard Wanda Sykes - Hampton Ruben Studdard - Alabama A&M David Banner - Southern Will Packer - FAMU 2Chainz - Alabama State As I was thinking, looks like we read the same article, there are 24 notable Celebrities, from the MEAC/SWAC, that could even the playing field vs THE NATION. The phenomenon of zealous fans who find an identity around high-profile entertainers is nothing new. We also have a relationship with Bey, one of her dancers is a former Golden Delight. Thats not to mention the Cameo's that would occur with opportunities to promote upcoming events.
|
|
|
Post by johnstonge on Feb 20, 2016 17:02:44 GMT -5
I happened upon this forum doing web searches related to a discussion of FCS wanting to "rebrand" it's national title game as a "bowl." I decided to comment on that attendance Statement because I tried to get a feel for that after I heard Carlos Brown the Southern University fan with the radio show say there were 35,000 people at the Celebration Bowl. I later saw a report that attendance was 35,500. No way. I found a video of the celebration bowl on Youtube at www.youtube.com/watch?v=31aFwODdoBY. Watch it for a while yourself and consider this: The Georgia Dome football seating capacity is 71,250. 35,500 x 2 = 71,000 so a crowd of 35,000 would mean about 1 in every 2 seats would be taken. I know people leave their seats and walk around and such and there are suites, etc. But look at that video for a while and ask yourself is that stadium's attendance was anywhere near half capacity. If I had to take a shot I'd say maybe 1/5 capacity. Maybe. That'd be 14,500 people. Regardless of whether 1 in 5 seats taken is a good guess it SURE as heck wasn't anywhere close to 1 in 2. I think the screen shot below pretty much tells the story. And no it's not cherry picked or unrepresentative. There's just no way the crowd on hand approached 1/2 of the seating capacity of that stadium. However, the ratings were good and it's true that's all ESPN cares about.
|
|
|
Post by johnstonge on Feb 20, 2016 18:31:53 GMT -5
BTW since I'm on a MEAC team board I've got to say that I still can't believe the MEAC allowed itself to be dragged down by the SWAC. Beating the SWAC champ is like beating up your best friend's little sister. It is THE weakest FCS league except for possibly the Pioneer. Over the past 10 years the SWAC is 11-44 against teams from Conferences that are still in the playoffs. The average outcome is the SWAC team losing by 20 points. Over the period SWAC champions are 1-4 against such teams. Here are the results of the SWAC champ games with teams from conferences that still participate in the playoffs:
2006 Alabama A&M 27, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 20
2007 Jackson State 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 16
2008 Grambling State 19, Northwestern State (4-3 in the Southland) 31
2012 Arkansas Pine Bluff 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 40
2013 Southern University 14, Northwestern State (3-4 in the Southland) 56
So the question is: Just what exactly are you accomplishing by beating the SWAC champion?
|
|
DECKS
Official BDF member
2008 Poster of the Year
Charter Member of the BDF
Posts: 10,358
|
Post by DECKS on Feb 20, 2016 19:00:35 GMT -5
BTW since I'm on a MEAC team board I've got to say that I still can't believe the MEAC allowed itself to be dragged down by the SWAC. Beating the SWAC champ is like beating up your best friend's little sister. It is THE weakest FCS league except for possibly the Pioneer. Over the past 10 years the SWAC is 11-44 against teams from Conferences that are still in the playoffs. The average outcome is the SWAC team losing by 20 points. Over the period SWAC champions are 1-4 against such teams. Here are the results of the SWAC champ games with teams from conferences that still participate in the playoffs: 2006 Alabama A&M 27, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 20 2007 Jackson State 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 16 2008 Grambling State 19, Northwestern State (4-3 in the Southland) 31 2012 Arkansas Pine Bluff 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 40 2013 Southern University 14, Northwestern State (3-4 in the Southland) 56 So the question is: Just what exactly are you accomplishing by beating the SWAC champion?
In a nutshell the lure of playing before a national tv audience and collecting at least a $500k paycheck was too much to turn down. Plus it's a game we know we should win; at least until they catch up to us or we drop down to their level.
|
|
|
Post by durhamgsoaggie on Feb 20, 2016 19:40:50 GMT -5
BTW since I'm on a MEAC team board I've got to say that I still can't believe the MEAC allowed itself to be dragged down by the SWAC. Beating the SWAC champ is like beating up your best friend's little sister. It is THE weakest FCS league except for possibly the Pioneer. Over the past 10 years the SWAC is 11-44 against teams from Conferences that are still in the playoffs. The average outcome is the SWAC team losing by 20 points. Over the period SWAC champions are 1-4 against such teams. Here are the results of the SWAC champ games with teams from conferences that still participate in the playoffs: 2006 Alabama A&M 27, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 20 2007 Jackson State 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 16 2008 Grambling State 19, Northwestern State (4-3 in the Southland) 31 2012 Arkansas Pine Bluff 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 40 2013 Southern University 14, Northwestern State (3-4 in the Southland) 56 So the question is: Just what exactly are you accomplishing by beating the SWAC champion?
1. Our chancellor informed us that the Celebration Bowl gave us over $12 million in free advertising exposure and that applications to A&T were up 70-90% over the previous year. 2. We received a net gain of $500K+ from the Celebration Bowl. Every school that participated in the FCS playoffs in 2015 likely did it at a financial loss. As much as I'd like to compete for national championships.... we can't beat this deal for the next couple of years.
|
|
bluehaze
Official BDF member
Posts: 5,974
|
Post by bluehaze on Feb 20, 2016 20:42:41 GMT -5
BTW since I'm on a MEAC team board I've got to say that I still can't believe the MEAC allowed itself to be dragged down by the SWAC. Beating the SWAC champ is like beating up your best friend's little sister. It is THE weakest FCS league except for possibly the Pioneer. Over the past 10 years the SWAC is 11-44 against teams from Conferences that are still in the playoffs. The average outcome is the SWAC team losing by 20 points. Over the period SWAC champions are 1-4 against such teams. Here are the results of the SWAC champ games with teams from conferences that still participate in the playoffs: 2006 Alabama A&M 27, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 20 2007 Jackson State 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 16 2008 Grambling State 19, Northwestern State (4-3 in the Southland) 31 2012 Arkansas Pine Bluff 13, Tennessee State (4-3 in the Ohio Valley) 40 2013 Southern University 14, Northwestern State (3-4 in the Southland) 56 So the question is: Just what exactly are you accomplishing by beating the SWAC champion?
1. Our chancellor informed us that the Celebration Bowl gave us over $12 million in free advertising exposure and that applications to A&T were up 70-90% over the previous year. 2. We received a net gain of $500K+ from the Celebration Bowl. Every school that participated in the FCS playoffs in 2015 likely did it at a financial loss. As much as I'd like to compete for national championships.... we can't beat this deal for the next couple of years.
|
|
|
Post by aggierattler on Feb 21, 2016 0:22:37 GMT -5
I happened upon this forum doing web searches related to a discussion of FCS wanting to "rebrand" it's national title game as a "bowl." I decided to comment on that attendance Statement because I tried to get a feel for that after I heard Carlos Brown the Southern University fan with the radio show say there were 35,000 people at the Celebration Bowl. I later saw a report that attendance was 35,500. No way. I found a video of the celebration bowl on Youtube at www.youtube.com/watch?v=31aFwODdoBY. Watch it for a while yourself and consider this: The Georgia Dome football seating capacity is 71,250. 35,500 x 2 = 71,000 so a crowd of 35,000 would mean about 1 in every 2 seats would be taken. I know people leave their seats and walk around and such and there are suites, etc. But look at that video for a while and ask yourself is that stadium's attendance was anywhere near half capacity. If I had to take a shot I'd say maybe 1/5 capacity. Maybe. That'd be 14,500 people. Regardless of whether 1 in 5 seats taken is a good guess it SURE as heck wasn't anywhere close to 1 in 2. I think the screen shot below pretty much tells the story. And no it's not cherry picked or unrepresentative. There's just no way the crowd on hand approached 1/2 of the seating capacity of that stadium. However, the ratings were good and it's true that's all ESPN cares about. I have worked in the ticketing industry (NBA and NCAA Division I) since 1981. While the conclusions to your observations are understandable, you fail to realize that "official attendance" does NOT equate to "number of people in the building." In collegiate athletics, your official attendance figure is the number of tickets sold, PLUS the number of complimentary tickets distributed, PLUS band members, PLUS students admitted with valid ID cards. Tickets that don't show up at the game are still counted in your official attendance. Your TURNSTILE COUNT is the number of fans that are actually in the building. That's what you have an issue with. Turnstile Counts are NOT the official Attendance Figures.
|
|
|
Post by johnstonge on Feb 21, 2016 9:04:19 GMT -5
Yes I know. But I think when most people see "35,500" attendance it creates a certain impression. Like for instance I think when people see 35,500 attendance at the Celebration Bowl vs. 21,836 attendance for the FCS championship game they think there were more people actually at the Celebration Bowl and I don't think that's the case. That's because even though the FCS championship game was played in a much smaller stadium that stadium was absolutely packed. I think that if any reasonable person looked at the videos of the two games without knowing what reported attendances were and while bearing in mind that the capacity of the Georgia dome is 71,250 while the capacity of 20,500 they would conclude that there were more people actually in the seats for the FCS championship game. Celebration Bowl, taken just before kickoff after a long North Carolina A&T touchdown run in the first quarter. Reported attendance 35,500 in a 71,250 capacity stadium: FCS championship game, taken just prior to opening kickoff. Reported attendance 21,836 in a 20,500 capacity stadium:
|
|
DECKS
Official BDF member
2008 Poster of the Year
Charter Member of the BDF
Posts: 10,358
|
Post by DECKS on Feb 21, 2016 9:18:40 GMT -5
I happened upon this forum doing web searches related to a discussion of FCS wanting to "rebrand" it's national title game as a "bowl." I decided to comment on that attendance Statement because I tried to get a feel for that after I heard Carlos Brown the Southern University fan with the radio show say there were 35,000 people at the Celebration Bowl. I later saw a report that attendance was 35,500. No way. I found a video of the celebration bowl on Youtube at www.youtube.com/watch?v=31aFwODdoBY. Watch it for a while yourself and consider this: The Georgia Dome football seating capacity is 71,250. 35,500 x 2 = 71,000 so a crowd of 35,000 would mean about 1 in every 2 seats would be taken. I know people leave their seats and walk around and such and there are suites, etc. But look at that video for a while and ask yourself is that stadium's attendance was anywhere near half capacity. If I had to take a shot I'd say maybe 1/5 capacity. Maybe. That'd be 14,500 people. Regardless of whether 1 in 5 seats taken is a good guess it SURE as heck wasn't anywhere close to 1 in 2. I think the screen shot below pretty much tells the story. And no it's not cherry picked or unrepresentative. There's just no way the crowd on hand approached 1/2 of the seating capacity of that stadium. However, the ratings were good and it's true that's all ESPN cares about. Hey, I think I remember you from some of the old I-AA message boards. Weren't you on the original forum that started on AOL back in the late 90's ? Anyways, whether there was 15k or 35k your last sentence is the point that matters to espn. The attendance matters more to the participating schools since they get additional revenue for tickets they sold. Does anyone know how many tickets A&T sold? I've heard a guesstimate of 3,500 to 5,000. Sent from my SM-N910P using proboards
|
|
|
Post by johnstonge on Feb 21, 2016 9:21:35 GMT -5
On the issue of financial impacts I think it's pretty well known that FBS teams that are not from the Big 5 conferences do not make money on bowls. When you hear the numbers on the payouts, etc., you might think they do but they don't. It's gotten better in that protections have been established to keep them from actually LOSING big money but bowls are still not a money making proposition. I don't know if it's the same for the Celebration Bowl involving FCS teams but I suspect that it is. I suspect that if one were to really dig into it and look at all of the expenses vs. what the "payouts" really are one would find it's not a money making proposition. With respect to FBS bowls here is an article from this past December: bigstory.ap.org/article/be8a4bc201bb48b88bdcc8dc4ae0078c/conferences-protect-bowl-teams-taking-big-financial-hitWhen you get to the page there is a minor correction at the top but if you scroll down you will see the article; which includes this quote from the Mid American Conference Commissioner: I think the real argument is whether or not the school benefits from the "advertising." As long as the school doesn't actually LOSE a substantial amount of money there is a case for that. As a fan of a FCS program that's been to the playoffs pretty many times, though, I don't know if I'd want it. I went to a school, McNeese State, that used to be Division I before the I-A/I-AA split. They moved from D-II to D-I in 1976 and went to three Independence Bowls. They won the first one over Tulsa and it was a very exciting last second win. Also played a Syracuse team that had Art Monk and Joe Morris on it. The Bowl games were nice at the time. But once I as a fan experienced the intensity of the I-AA playoffs after McNeese decided to go I-AA there is NO way I'd want to give that up for a Bowl game now. It's just not the same. And I just can't relate to how MEAC fans could be happy with giving that up to play the SWAC champion every year in a Bowl game.
|
|
|
Post by johnstonge on Feb 21, 2016 9:26:12 GMT -5
Yes.
|
|
|
Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 21, 2016 10:35:25 GMT -5
On the issue of financial impacts I think it's pretty well known that FBS teams that are not from the Big 5 conferences do not make money on bowls. When you hear the numbers on the payouts, etc., you might think they do but they don't. It's gotten better in that protections have been established to keep them from actually LOSING big money but bowls are still not a money making proposition. I don't know if it's the same for the Celebration Bowl involving FCS teams but I suspect that it is. I suspect that if one were to really dig into it and look at all of the expenses vs. what the "payouts" really are one would find it's not a money making proposition. With respect to FBS bowls here is an article from this past December: bigstory.ap.org/article/be8a4bc201bb48b88bdcc8dc4ae0078c/conferences-protect-bowl-teams-taking-big-financial-hitWhen you get to the page there is a minor correction at the top but if you scroll down you will see the article; which includes this quote from the Mid American Conference Commissioner: I think the real argument is whether or not the school benefits from the "advertising." As long as the school doesn't actually LOSE a substantial amount of money there is a case for that. As a fan of a FCS program that's been to the playoffs pretty many times, though, I don't know if I'd want it. I went to a school, McNeese State, that used to be Division I before the I-A/I-AA split. They moved from D-II to D-I in 1976 and went to three Independence Bowls. They won the first one over Tulsa and it was a very exciting last second win. Also played a Syracuse team that had Art Monk and Joe Morris on it. The Bowl games were nice at the time. But once I as a fan experienced the intensity of the I-AA playoffs after McNeese decided to go I-AA there is NO way I'd want to give that up for a Bowl game now. It's just not the same. And I just can't relate to how MEAC fans could be happy with giving that up to play the SWAC champion every year in a Bowl game. Most FBS universities that play in post-season bowls, view those bowls great recruiting tools and as rewards for the players, coaches, alumni and administration. And since the majority of these universities pay for their football program from season ticket sales, alumni donations and corporate advertisers, bowl income is use to wine and dine the players, coaches, alumni and administration. That's why when you look at Michigan, Alabama, Florida State etc... bowl budgets, they rarely make much money. There's a big difference with FCS universities (and HBCU's) ...we need bowl money to subsidize our football budget. A&T's "official" Celebration Bowl numbers have not been released yet but some good insider sources have shared that we "cleared" $500,000 after all expenses were paid. Even if it was $400K, $300K, or even $100K...with the TV exposure and student recruiting potential, it was well worth the change.
|
|
|
Post by aggie2039 on Feb 21, 2016 10:39:20 GMT -5
John, I do not think most people on this board are happy with not going to the playoffs. However we are happy with the national exposure and financial opportunities that are associated with it. If the NCAA found a way to financially reward teams for participating in the playoffs there would be a logical argument against going. There are reasons why the P5 keep the bowl structure. ..there is money associated with have a game sponsor. Additionally if the NCAA could get FCS teams more exposure...games not on ESPN 3.
Welcome to the board.
|
|