oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 19, 2015 16:23:19 GMT -5
Quote: "contrary to several previous posts, coach cy has only had 2 down seasons, not 3." Only if you count the tournament run. His first A&T team finished below .500 in the regular season,so that does make, for me, 3 consecutive down seasons. Oh yeah, that initial season was with a senior dominated lineup, but still a losing regular season record, which, very limited, suggest that an experienced team may not do better under him. during eaves last season at a&t, his regular season record was 12-19 and his meac record was 7-9. he went on to lose in the first round of the meac tournament to howard to finish the season with “20” losses, an overall record of 12-20. one year later with essentially the same team, coach cy takes over and finished the regular season with a record of 15-16 and his meac record was 8-8, both records were “improvements” over the previous season. coach cy went on to beat famu, nccu, and dsu in the meac tournament and morgan state in the finals to win the meac championship. coach cy won more meac tournament games (4) that year than eaves won during his “entire career” as our head coach! then coach cy won an ncaa first round play-in game over liberty (first time "ever" in our history!) to finish the season with “20 wins”! yes, “20 wins”! yet, you want to criticize coach cy for finishing below .500 during his first regular season? well, a&t has never had a head coach to finish the regular season above .500 since roy thomas did it with a 15-13 record in friggin’ 1997! yeah, that’s right. 19 friggin’ 97! that’s almost 2 decades ago! “18” years ago to be exact! yet, your standard for coach cy relative to our recent history is to finish above .500 when nobody has done at a&t in almost 2 decades? well, if you think that’s bad, how long do you think its been since an aggie coach won “20” games? eaves didn’t, hunter didn’t, thomas didn’t, and capel didn’t! a&t hasn’t won 20 games in a season since 19 friggin’ 88! that’s right, 1988! that’s been 27 years ago! but coach cy did it 2 years ago. sir, i would suggest that no aggie coach in well over 2 decades meets the standards that you expect of coach cy...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Feb 19, 2015 16:31:25 GMT -5
Question.....From a personnel standpoint how will the team look much different in 2015/2016 ? We have one graduating Sr. Akinkeba and one transfer elgibile next year. I think there is another player who was red shirted due to injury ? Anyone know his status; I think he had shoulder surgery.. I do know we have and offer to a 3-star center from Miss. according to ESPN. He has 7-8 other offers as well. It seems to me that the roster will probably be churned some doing the off season if not we will have pretty much the same team. Check your PM
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Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 19, 2015 17:29:32 GMT -5
We all agree that Coach Cy is better than Coach Eaves. Now that said, the question is...how much better? And is he so much better that we should keep him around another year.
Basketball is a lot easier to fix (and screw up) than football. One wrong recruiting mistake or player defection and your basketball team could be in bad shape during the season. So Coach Cy could get lucky next year and get one or two players that can help turn this program around. Some folks on this site want to give him the chance to coach himself out of this slump. And some folks wanted him gone 15 minutes after the loss to FAMU last weekend. Since I refuse to attend another A&T men's basketball game until they move up from DIII and start winning DI games, I really don't care if he stays or goes. I just want our basketball program to at least be competitive.
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Post by da heretic on Feb 19, 2015 17:54:54 GMT -5
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"during eaves last season at a&t, his regular season record was 12-19 and his meac record was 7-9. he went on to lose in the first round of the meac tournament to howard to finish the season with “20” losses, an overall record of 12-20.
one year later with essentially the same team, coach cy takes over and finished the regular season with a record of 15-16 and his meac record was 8-8, both records were “improvements” over the previous season. coach cy went on to beat famu, nccu, and dsu in the meac tournament and morgan state in the finals to win the meac championship. coach cy won more meac tournament games (4) that year than eaves won during his “entire career” as our head coach! then coach cy won an ncaa first round play-in game over liberty (first time "ever" in our history!) to finish the season with “20 wins”! yes, “20 wins”!
yet, you want to criticize coach cy for finishing below .500 during his first regular season? well, a&t has never had a head coach to finish the regular season above .500 since roy thomas did it with a 15-13 record in friggin’ 1997! yeah, that’s right. 19 friggin’ 97! that’s almost 2 decades ago! “18” years ago to be exact! yet, your standard for coach cy relative to our recent history is to finish above .500 when nobody has done at a&t in almost 2 decades?
well, if you think that’s bad, how long do you think its been since an aggie coach won “20” games? eaves didn’t, hunter didn’t, thomas didn’t, and capel didn’t! a&t hasn’t won 20 games in a season since 19 friggin’ 88! that’s right, 1988! that’s been 27 years ago! but coach cy did it 2 years ago.
sir, i would suggest that no aggie coach in well over 2 decades meets the standards that you expect of coach cy..."
I aint going over your entire diatribe, but you give me waaaaaaay too much credit for demanding some high standard for any college coach. I'll address one point. I never placed any benchmark on Alexander's '12-13 season, you did. You acted like he won more regular season games than he lost. Eaves won more games in his first season than Curtis Hunter did in his last season, which wasn't very hard to do since I think that was the year A&T won 1 game (please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm too damn lazy to check the records). A 3 game overall improvement and one game conference improvement aint burning down the house, to sorta quote The Talking Heads. Also, in a previous post you essentially said you didn't care what anybody said about your homie Cy Alexander, so why you waste multiple paragraphs giving a damn about what I say? One last thing, George Small won the conference in his first year, so, na-na-na-na-na-nahhhhhhh!!!
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"Look a lot of us agree with you but we are only looking for the best way to handle this with out A&T having to pay two"
Tip o' the hat to you on that, Saabman.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 19, 2015 17:56:34 GMT -5
I gave my reasons for sticking with this coach and ain't no stats gonna change my mindTHEN YOU GIVE STAT AFTER STAT AFTER STAT AFTER STAT..... Feb 19, 2015 16:23:19 GMT -5 oleschoolaggie said:
during eaves last season at a&t, his regular season record was 12-19 and his meac record was 7-9. he went on to lose in the first round of the meac tournament to howard to finish the season with “20” losses, an overall record of 12-20.
one year later with essentially the same team, coach cy takes over and finished the regular season with a record of 15-16 and his meac record was 8-8, both records were “improvements” over the previous season. coach cy went on to beat famu, nccu, and dsu in the meac tournament and morgan state in the finals to win the meac championship. coach cy won more meac tournament games (4) that year than eaves won during his “entire career” as our head coach! then coach cy won an ncaa first round play-in game over liberty (first time "ever" in our history!) to finish the season with “20 wins”! yes, “20 wins”!
yet, you want to criticize coach cy for finishing below .500 during his first regular season? well, a&t has never had a head coach to finish the regular season above .500 since roy thomas did it with a 15-13 record in friggin’ 1997! yeah, that’s right. 19 friggin’ 97! that’s almost 2 decades ago! “18” years ago to be exact! yet, your standard for coach cy relative to our recent history is to finish above .500 when nobody has done at a&t in almost 2 decades?
well, if you think that’s bad, how long do you think its been since an aggie coach won “20” games? eaves didn’t, hunter didn’t, thomas didn’t, and capel didn’t! a&t hasn’t won 20 games in a season since 19 friggin’ 88! that’s right, 1988! that’s been 27 years ago! but coach cy did it 2 years ago.
sir, i would suggest that no aggie coach in well over 2 decades meets the standards that you expect of coach cy...
OSA, 1) Thanks for all the STATS on every coach we've had since Corbett. You said you weren't gonna let any stats change your mind about our coach. Based upon the ENORMOUS WEALTH OF STATS you posted.....what you meant to say was......YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET ANY STATS THAT GO AGAINST YOUR VIEWS CHANGE YOUR MIND. At least you're getting somewhat better; you are at least trying to post stats/records that substantiate your viewpoint.
2) Why are you comparing Cy to past Aggie coaches who had nowhere near the head coaching experience he had. Eaves and Hunter were NEOPHYTES when they got the job at A&T. Thomas had some JUCO and DII head coaching experience before being our coach, but his first DI head coaching gig was at A&T. Jeff Capel II's first DI head coaching gig was at A&T. Honestly, I think you're doing a disservice putting Cy's record against those others because none of them was his coaching equal at the time they got their jobs at A&T. Cy had 22 years of DI head coaching experience before he even set foot on our campus. That's why it's so frustrating that he has lost 20+ games for 2 straight years, despite his vast wealth of DI head coaching experience. Do you really believe you are comparing apples to apples when you're putting Cy up against the aforementioned coaches?? All have coached at A&T, but the comparisons frankly stop there......
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Post by saabman on Feb 19, 2015 18:24:11 GMT -5
Quote: "during eaves last season at a&t, his regular season record was 12-19 and his meac record was 7-9. he went on to lose in the first round of the meac tournament to howard to finish the season with “20” losses, an overall record of 12-20. one year later with essentially the same team, coach cy takes over and finished the regular season with a record of 15-16 and his meac record was 8-8, both records were “improvements” over the previous season. coach cy went on to beat famu, nccu, and dsu in the meac tournament and morgan state in the finals to win the meac championship. coach cy won more meac tournament games (4) that year than eaves won during his “entire career” as our head coach! then coach cy won an ncaa first round play-in game over liberty (first time "ever" in our history!) to finish the season with “20 wins”! yes, “20 wins”! yet, you want to criticize coach cy for finishing below .500 during his first regular season? well, a&t has never had a head coach to finish the regular season above .500 since roy thomas did it with a 15-13 record in friggin’ 1997! yeah, that’s right. 19 friggin’ 97! that’s almost 2 decades ago! “18” years ago to be exact! yet, your standard for coach cy relative to our recent history is to finish above .500 when nobody has done at a&t in almost 2 decades? well, if you think that’s bad, how long do you think its been since an aggie coach won “20” games? eaves didn’t, hunter didn’t, thomas didn’t, and capel didn’t! a&t hasn’t won 20 games in a season since 19 friggin’ 88! that’s right, 1988! that’s been 27 years ago! but coach cy did it 2 years ago. sir, i would suggest that no aggie coach in well over 2 decades meets the standards that you expect of coach cy..." I aint going over your entire diatribe, but you give me waaaaaaay too much credit for demanding some high standard for any college coach. I'll address one point. I never placed any benchmark on Alexander's '12-13 season, you did. You acted like he won more regular season games than he lost. Eaves won more games in his first season than Curtis Hunter did in his last season, which wasn't very hard to do since I think that was the year A&T won 1 game (please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm too damn lazy to check the records). A 3 game overall improvement and one game conference improvement aint burning down the house, to sorta quote The Talking Heads. Also, in a previous post you essentially said you didn't care what anybody said about your homie Cy Alexander, so why you waste multiple paragraphs giving a damn about what I say? One last thing, George Small won the conference in his first year, so, na-na-na-na-na-nahhhhhhh!!! Quote: "Look a lot of us agree with you but we are only looking for the best way to handle this with out A&T having to pay two" Tip o' the hat to you on that, Saabman. Nice Quote's.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Feb 19, 2015 19:53:34 GMT -5
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Post by Trueaggie on Feb 19, 2015 20:36:12 GMT -5
Cy has had 3 years to get the right person at the 1 spot; weight broke the wagon down.
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Feb 19, 2015 20:41:48 GMT -5
Durhamgsoaggie, Thanks for the video link. I'm no college recruiter. But Hunt looks to be really good shooter, someone that will score the ball. Those fall back jumps shot-drives against a 6-3 MEAC defender will not be as easy for a 6' guard. What I did not see are PG skills. Hunt reminds me a little of Howard's PG, James Daniel, a scoring point guard and perhaps more talented than Hunt. Hunt is a good addition and I'm glad he chose A&T. All that being said, who will run the team next year at PG? Abdullah is Ok, but he is still a walk on PG for a D1 program, and Williams has potential, we will have to see if he develops...he still is not proven. In my opinion there is the gap at PG for next season. Additionally with the gap at PG, to compete in the MEAC you need three double figure scores. Beckford has proven that he can score double figures in the MEAC, however, I am hard pressed to believe that with out a PG, we can have two additional double figure scores on next years team. None of the returning players have proven to be double figure scores at the D! level. Improvement for the players that we forecast/expect/hope to be....on next years squad will be 7-8 MEAC victories versus what we will get this year. Cy has to signed another player that is proven at the D! level, and that will be hard to have on next year's team since any D1 transfer would be on the bench now and sitting out, and someone on this board would know about it. Maybe there is a 6-9 Claude Williams that is on campus, who averaged 12 points a game in the ACC/SEC/PAC-12...some conference, and none of us know about him. If 7-8 MEAC wins is the improvement that we are looking for then Cy is the guy for next season.
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Feb 19, 2015 20:48:36 GMT -5
....one last thing.....being from the Bull City myself, I will never accept not being able to beat Central. I can't go home! The team slated for next near does not appear to be on the level to compete with Central.
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Post by omegaman on Feb 19, 2015 20:54:54 GMT -5
A&T Men Basketball Team is composed of a lot of D-2 talent. There are a number of D-2 teams that will beat A&T.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Feb 19, 2015 21:17:38 GMT -5
Durhamgsoaggie, Thanks for the video link. I'm no college recruiter. But Hunt looks to be really good shooter, someone that will score the ball. Those fall back jumps shot-drives against a 6-3 MEAC defender will not be as easy for a 6' guard. What I did not see are PG skills. Hunt reminds me a little of Howard's PG, James Daniel, a scoring point guard and perhaps more talented than Hunt. Hunt is a good addition and I'm glad he chose A&T. All that being said, who will run the team next year at PG? Abdullah is Ok, but he is still a walk on PG for a D1 program, and Williams has potential, we will have to see if he develops...he still is not proven. In my opinion there is the gap at PG for next season. Additionally with the gap at PG, to compete in the MEAC you need three double figure scores. Beckford has proven that he can score double figures in the MEAC, however, I am hard pressed to believe that with out a PG, we can have two additional double figure scores on next years team. None of the returning players have proven to be double figure scores at the D! level. Improvement for the players that we forecast/expect/hope to be....on next years squad will be 7-8 MEAC victories versus what we will get this year. Cy has to signed another player that is proven at the D! level, and that will be hard to have on next year's team since any D1 transfer would be on the bench now and sitting out, and someone on this board would know about it. Maybe there is a 6-9 Claude Williams that is on campus, who averaged 12 points a game in the ACC/SEC/PAC-12...some conference, and none of us know about him. If 7-8 MEAC wins is the improvement that we are looking for then Cy is the guy for next season. No problem, aggiepower.... Hunt is going to be the 1 for us next year, so he won't be seeing too many 6'3" cats. Again, this video was from 2 1/2 years ago.... so his skillset has expanded. He's a coach's son who understands how to run a team. His strength is the jumper, no doubt. But, like in any sport, a player has to have a least one weapon that is an advantage over his opponent to set up everything else in his game.... but he did have a pretty nice crossover in that clip, too. Sam's handle is pretty nice at this point... easily better than anyone playing for us this year. He actually had 17 points and 4 assists in our Blue & Gold scrimmage to start the season while playing with the bench team. I saw enough in that game to see that he has the vision, court awareness and handle to be a very good PG for us. The biggest thing about Sam is his work ethic to improve. That is the real key. In talking with our facilities folks, he's the cat shooting jumpers and running personal drills at 4 am while everyone else is sleeping. He's the guy doing situational work to improve at the PG position. That's stuff that a coach can't teach or put into the heart of a player. We know he puts in the work, because you don't get a jumper like Sam's without it. Having a guard who can manage end-of-game situation makes this squad better. Having a 2-man game with Sam and Bruce automatically makes this squad better. If the other guys on the work start work close to as hard as Sam does.... we'll have a winning season. If we land Deion James and one other big... we'll be even better. I believe a guy like James Whitaker takes a major step if he works out with Sam this summer. Guys need someone who is good enough to embarrass them if they're not on their game in order to push them to be better. And there's 1-2 other guys that will make steps and get us where we need to be. But everyone will have their opinion..... to each, their own...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Feb 19, 2015 21:43:38 GMT -5
Cy has had 3 years to get the right person at the 1 spot; weight broke the wagon down. 2012-13: Lamont Middleton 2013-14: Michael Reid - grades 2014-15: Jarin Hilson - admissions; Sam Hunt (transfer) 2015-16: Sam Hunt, with Ahmad and Austin fighting for the backup spot It's not always easy getting that PG situation right. But being that Sam Hunt is from Greensboro.... people from the local community will be coming to A&T games that haven't been for years just to see Sam. This could not have worked out better. Believe me when I say that attendance will be up just for the community to see him play.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 19, 2015 21:57:41 GMT -5
I gave my reasons for sticking with this coach and ain't no stats gonna change my mindTHEN YOU GIVE STAT AFTER STAT AFTER STAT AFTER STAT..... dude, i gave stats because the specific point that i was disputing was solely about stats, which was regarding coach cy not having an above .500 regular season record. the debate was regarding coach cy's record, the stats i provided was "comparing" coach cy's record. i did not use stats as you so often do to solely "justify" whether somebody needs to be fired or not, and that's the difference. my very last statement that i made sums up the purpose of the stats i provided which was; i would suggest that no aggie coach in well over 2 decades meets the standards that you expect of coach cy...now, where did you read anything that i stated under that quote that suggested someone should be fired based on stats alone? ...<crickets>
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 19, 2015 22:03:09 GMT -5
2) Why are you comparing Cy to past Aggie coaches who had nowhere near the head coaching experience he had. Eaves and Hunter were NEOPHYTES when they got the job at A&T. Thomas had some JUCO and DII head coaching experience before being our coach, but his first DI head coaching gig was at A&T. Jeff Capel II's first DI head coaching gig was at A&T. Honestly, I think you're doing a disservice putting Cy's record against those others because none of them was his coaching equal at the time they got their jobs at A&T. Cy had 22 years of DI head coaching experience before he even set foot on our campus. That's why it's so frustrating that he has lost 20+ games for 2 straight years, despite his vast wealth of DI head coaching experience. Do you really believe you are comparing apples to apples when you're putting Cy up against the aforementioned coaches?? All have coached at A&T, but the comparisons frankly stop there......
dude, you are "clueless". literally, "clueless". age and experience has nothing whatsoever to do with the point i was making, absolutely nothing at all. you just don't get it and i ain't gone waste my time trying to explain it to you...
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