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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 20, 2015 8:42:28 GMT -5
If we don't recruit some players that can shoot, we will not win many games next year. Hey we're going to miss on some recruits. Even if we believe our program is better, our facilities are better and our school is better, we still will not get some players. And if we don't get those players it doesn't automatically mean we didn't do a good job recruiting them. Hey we're dealing with teenagers and their parents...who knows what's going through their heads. I posted these players only as examples of local players that are in our back yard that we didn't offer. I know High Point offered Agba, and they are a better team than us. I have watched us year after year, not recruit local players, who end up either sitting on the bench at high major programs, or being solid players on good team. Another kid, Ike Nwamu at Mercer, (who beat Duke last year) is from High Point. Went to Cleveland State and transferred to Mercer, who is now in the Southern Conference. If I was an AD, I would have 2 questions for my head coach. Of the kids that we signed, who else offered them? and Of the kids that we offered and didn't come, where did they go? From there, you will see what kind of players we are going after. I hate to be critical, but it's NO WAY we should be starting a walk-on PG at a Division 1 program. There are so many guards at the d2 level that have fallen through the cracks. Just go to Cy's alma mata, Catawba and take a look... Nwamu is pretty nice. He came out while Eaves was still coaching, and I can't confirm/deny that Eaves offered him. Probably the best way to sum up the PG situation is that we swung for the fences and hit deep fly ball outs to the warning track on Michael Reid and Jarin Hilson. We also offered PF Zo Tyson, who chose High Point. We had a snowball's chance on Eaves' son after he let his dad go. We're also in hot pursuit a few miles up I-85 on another major recruit. But I think what you've laid out is a fair critique... especially after a couple of years to evaluate. That said.... if you can get anymore backyard than Sam Hunt.... let me know.... lol..... If Sam's career here goes as planned... it will be a turning point for local recruiting, IMO.... but we'll see...
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Mar 20, 2015 9:19:18 GMT -5
I tend to agree with aggie82, we are not pursuing enough local talent. I do not understand why we have a walk on PG either and it's not the first time I mentioned it. Broadway calls a walk-on a walk -on, and makes clear that "...they are not 4-5 star athletes...." We ahve to be honest with the talent we have in bball. One current example there is this AJ Morris kid, a Senior Guard at Panther Creek HS in Cary, NC. He averaged 20 points per game, athletic, and a solid defender. No one is recruiting him and one of my AAU buddies (several state championships and his daughter led Providence Day to the 2015 state championship as a freshman) asked me why isn't A&T recruiting him as bad as we are. I have no idea but maybe the coaches do not think the the kid is talented enough for our program. I hope that we at least took a look and said "no" rather than not know about that a 20 point scorer in NC HS bball is available. Included below are links to a couple of his December HS games. www.youtube.com/embed/3HVJsKM4ZFwyoutu.be/XoZ27WlClv8Scout Focus Video Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7QSUgauOO4Phenon Video Link www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9b1n6YhWT4www.getmerecruited.com/PhenomHoopReportMillbrookShowcase_Main.htmlA.J. Morris (Panther Creek HS/Cary, NC) 6’2 SG 2015 - The thing we can appreciate about Morris is his overall high energy and defensive intensity. It was evident that he takes pride in his defense as he consistently picked up his man 94 feet away from the basket. While he started slow in the first half, Morris picked it up offensively in the second. From creating off the fast break to going strong to the basket for the easy finish, Morris showed that he can turn it up when his team needs him. We think Morris is a sleeper in the 2015 class that schools should deeply consider. He’s a natural scorer and can put up a bunch of points in a hurry.
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Post by Trueaggie on Mar 20, 2015 9:49:32 GMT -5
We should be looking at any 20 point scorer; Cy Alexander's inability to recruit is making me sick on the stomach.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 20, 2015 9:54:48 GMT -5
I tend to agree with aggie82, we are not pursuing enough local talent. I do not understand why we have a walk on PG either and it's not the first time I mentioned it. Broadway calls a walk-on a walk -on, and makes clear that "...they are not 4-5 star athletes...." We ahve to be honest with the talent we have in bball. One current example there is this AJ Morris kid, a Senior Guard at Panther Creek HS in Cary, NC. He averaged 20 points per game, athletic, and a solid defender. No one is recruiting him and one of my AAU buddies (several state championships and his daughter led Providence Day to the 2015 state championship as a freshman) asked me why isn't A&T recruiting him as bad as we are. I have no idea but maybe the coaches do not think the the kid is talented enough for our program. I hope that we at least took a look and said "no" rather than not know about that a 20 point scorer in NC HS bball is available. Included below are links to a couple of his December HS games. www.youtube.com/embed/3HVJsKM4ZFwyoutu.be/XoZ27WlClv8Scout Focus Video Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7QSUgauOO4Phenon Video Link www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9b1n6YhWT4www.getmerecruited.com/PhenomHoopReportMillbrookShowcase_Main.htmlA.J. Morris (Panther Creek HS/Cary, NC) 6’2 SG 2015 - The thing we can appreciate about Morris is his overall high energy and defensive intensity. It was evident that he takes pride in his defense as he consistently picked up his man 94 feet away from the basket. While he started slow in the first half, Morris picked it up offensively in the second. From creating off the fast break to going strong to the basket for the easy finish, Morris showed that he can turn it up when his team needs him. We think Morris is a sleeper in the 2015 class that schools should deeply consider. He’s a natural scorer and can put up a bunch of points in a hurry. He's a good player. I won't say that he didn't get looked at. That said... I'm taking a 6'8" Deion James at SG (who's coming to major in engineering) over Morris every day of the week.... same skillset (used to be a PG), but 6 inches taller... and a 20 point scorer. There's a poster on here named rodj who can tell you all about him. And we only have but so many scholarships to give. And we still have a talented James Whitaker at 6'5" who will continue to grow as a player.. and he was also a 20 ppg scorer in HS... and we have 6'8" Jamin Lackey who redshirted due to injury, but can swing between both the 2 and 3 spots. Just because we didn't see the talent last year doesn't mean it's not there ready and waiting... That's recruiting....
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Post by marchingband1969 on Mar 20, 2015 10:16:13 GMT -5
I've said this for two years, coach Cy is a poor judge of talent. He coaches real hard doing the game but it's hard to win basketball game without talented players.
If he doesn't pull a rabbit out his hat next season he will be recruiting for some other team.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 20, 2015 10:46:25 GMT -5
We should be looking at any 20 point scorer; Cy Alexander's inability to recruit is making me sick on the stomach. i “respectfully” disagree. we should not recruit based on stats alone. i mean, i’ve seen many a 20 pts per game scorer in high school who would be a “bust” at the d1 level. you’ve got to take into consideration the level of competition that a kid plays against. i’ll give you an example, look at shaun stewart who averaged 27 pts per game in high school? eaves signed him and coach cy kept him for 1 season, but then he transferred to youngstown state. at youngstown state, stewart is averaging about 4 pts per game, hardly the 27 pts per game he averaged in high school. one can only assume that the level of competition he played against in high school wasn’t very good. another example in the opposite direction, bruce beckford and justin black! neither bruce nor justin averaged double figures in high school. matter of fact, justin black was not even a starter as a senior in high school, and if my memory serves me correctly, bruce didn’t start as a senior in high school either. so if you only looked at their stats in high school, you would’ve overlooked 2 all meac quality players. but the difference between bruce and justin compared to stewart is that they both played against “very stiff” competition in high school. both bruce and justin played at “private schools” in the dmv which most folks consider to be “basketball factories” (dematha h.s. and montrose christian h.s.). so just because somebody averages 20ppg doesn’t mean they are a good recruiting prospect. college recruiting is very “time consuming”. most coaches who have limited budgets can’t afford to chase “referred prospects” only to find out that person(s) doesn’t meet their standards. if a kid is averaging 20ppg but no one is recruiting him, “usually” there’s a good reason for that...
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Post by saabman on Mar 20, 2015 11:26:47 GMT -5
If we don't recruit some players that can shoot, we will not win many games next year. Hey we're going to miss on some recruits. Even if we believe our program is better, our facilities are better and our school is better, we still will not get some players. And if we don't get those players it doesn't automatically mean we didn't do a good job recruiting them. Hey we're dealing with teenagers and their parents...who knows what's going through their heads. I posted these players only as examples of local players that are in our back yard that we didn't offer. I know High Point offered Agba, and they are a better team than us. I have watched us year after year, not recruit local players, who end up either sitting on the bench at high major programs, or being solid players on good team. Another kid, Ike Nwamu at Mercer, (who beat Duke last year) is from High Point. Went to Cleveland State and transferred to Mercer, who is now in the Southern Conference. If I was an AD, I would have 2 questions for my head coach. Of the kids that we signed, who else offered them? and Of the kids that we offered and didn't come, where did they go? From there, you will see what kind of players we are going after. I hate to be critical, but it's NO WAY we should be starting a walk-on PG at a Division 1 program. There are so many guards at the d2 level that have fallen through the cracks. Just go to Cy's alma mata, Catawba and take a look... The most important question that you are failing to ask is can the young man or men qualify. It's great that they can score 20 or so points but what about there GPA, SAT/ACT scores, can they survive the rigors of caring 12 hours of college level courses and stay focused during the season. That is the main thing that stop's a number of great recruits from attending D-1 programs. If the Dudley building says no way. Basically the kids will not get in A&T. That is not Cy's call. Also you will find that a lot of players can qualify at other schools but not be able to qualify at one school which is the case a lot of times. High Point is not part of the UNC System so they can over look something's that A&T can not because A&T is apart of the UNC system.
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Post by saabman on Mar 20, 2015 11:41:12 GMT -5
We should be looking at any 20 point scorer; Cy Alexander's inability to recruit is making me sick on the stomach. i “respectfully” disagree. we should not recruit based on stats alone. i mean, i’ve seen many a 20 pts per game scorer in high school who would be a “bust” at the d1 level. you’ve got to take into consideration the level of competition that a kid plays against. i’ll give you an example, look at shaun stewart who averaged 27 pts per game in high school? eaves signed him and coach cy kept him for 1 season, but then he transferred to youngstown state. at youngstown state, stewart is averaging about 4 pts per game, hardly the 27 pts per game he averaged in high school. one can only assume that the level of competition he played against in high school wasn’t very good. another example in the opposite direction, bruce beckford and justin black! neither bruce nor justin averaged double figures in high school. matter of fact, justin black was not even a starter as a senior in high school, and if my memory serves me correctly, bruce didn’t start as a senior in high school either. so if you only looked at their stats in high school, you would’ve overlooked 2 all meac quality players. but the difference between bruce and justin compared to stewart is that they both played against “very stiff” competition in high school. both bruce and justin played at “private schools” in the dmv which most folks consider to be “basketball factories” (dematha h.s. and montrose christian h.s.). so just because somebody averages 20ppg doesn’t mean they are a good recruiting prospect. college recruiting is very “time consuming”. most coaches who have limited budgets can’t afford to chase “referred prospects” only to find out that person(s) doesn’t meet their standards. if a kid is averaging 20ppg but no one is recruiting him, “usually” there’s a good reason for that... You are basically right OSA but sometimes good players are over looked because of the level of competition they play againcompetition they play again. Look at the young man at Eastern Washington University, this kid is among the leading scorers in the nation and they won their first game in the tournament the other night. No one offered this young man a scholarship until Eastern Washington University . Now they are saying he is the next coming of Larry Bird. So it can happen.
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Post by Trueaggie on Mar 20, 2015 11:54:10 GMT -5
OS, I did say look at then after they are vetted a decision can be made on recruitment.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 20, 2015 11:54:58 GMT -5
i “respectfully” disagree. we should not recruit based on stats alone. i mean, i’ve seen many a 20 pts per game scorer in high school who would be a “bust” at the d1 level. you’ve got to take into consideration the level of competition that a kid plays against. i’ll give you an example, look at shaun stewart who averaged 27 pts per game in high school? eaves signed him and coach cy kept him for 1 season, but then he transferred to youngstown state. at youngstown state, stewart is averaging about 4 pts per game, hardly the 27 pts per game he averaged in high school. one can only assume that the level of competition he played against in high school wasn’t very good. another example in the opposite direction, bruce beckford and justin black! neither bruce nor justin averaged double figures in high school. matter of fact, justin black was not even a starter as a senior in high school, and if my memory serves me correctly, bruce didn’t start as a senior in high school either. so if you only looked at their stats in high school, you would’ve overlooked 2 all meac quality players. but the difference between bruce and justin compared to stewart is that they both played against “very stiff” competition in high school. both bruce and justin played at “private schools” in the dmv which most folks consider to be “basketball factories” (dematha h.s. and montrose christian h.s.). so just because somebody averages 20ppg doesn’t mean they are a good recruiting prospect. college recruiting is very “time consuming”. most coaches who have limited budgets can’t afford to chase “referred prospects” only to find out that person(s) doesn’t meet their standards. if a kid is averaging 20ppg but no one is recruiting him, “usually” there’s a good reason for that... You are basically right OSA but sometimes good players are over looked because of the level of competition they play againcompetition they play again. Look at the young man at Eastern Washington University, this kid is among the leading scorers in the nation and they won their first game in the tournament the other night. No one offered this young man a scholarship until Eastern Washington University . Now they are saying he is the next coming of Larry Bird. So it can happen. yep, that's why i stated that "usually" if a 20ppg scorer is not being recruited, there's a good reason for it...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 20, 2015 11:59:22 GMT -5
OS, I did say look at then after they are vetted a decision can be made on recruitment.
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Mar 20, 2015 12:12:59 GMT -5
The key to HBCU recruiting (FB or bball or baseball) is seeing talent that the big boys don't see or don't want and developing it. Bill Hayes was a master at identifying talent under the bushes.
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Post by rodj on Mar 20, 2015 16:31:13 GMT -5
I tend to agree with aggie82, we are not pursuing enough local talent. I do not understand why we have a walk on PG either and it's not the first time I mentioned it. Broadway calls a walk-on a walk -on, and makes clear that "...they are not 4-5 star athletes...." We ahve to be honest with the talent we have in bball. One current example there is this AJ Morris kid, a Senior Guard at Panther Creek HS in Cary, NC. He averaged 20 points per game, athletic, and a solid defender. No one is recruiting him and one of my AAU buddies (several state championships and his daughter led Providence Day to the 2015 state championship as a freshman) asked me why isn't A&T recruiting him as bad as we are. I have no idea but maybe the coaches do not think the the kid is talented enough for our program. I hope that we at least took a look and said "no" rather than not know about that a 20 point scorer in NC HS bball is available. Included below are links to a couple of his December HS games. www.youtube.com/embed/3HVJsKM4ZFwyoutu.be/XoZ27WlClv8Scout Focus Video Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7QSUgauOO4Phenon Video Link www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9b1n6YhWT4www.getmerecruited.com/PhenomHoopReportMillbrookShowcase_Main.htmlA.J. Morris (Panther Creek HS/Cary, NC) 6’2 SG 2015 - The thing we can appreciate about Morris is his overall high energy and defensive intensity. It was evident that he takes pride in his defense as he consistently picked up his man 94 feet away from the basket. While he started slow in the first half, Morris picked it up offensively in the second. From creating off the fast break to going strong to the basket for the easy finish, Morris showed that he can turn it up when his team needs him. We think Morris is a sleeper in the 2015 class that schools should deeply consider. He’s a natural scorer and can put up a bunch of points in a hurry. He's a good player. I won't say that he didn't get looked at. That said... I'm taking a 6'8" Deion James at SG (who's coming to major in engineering) over Morris every day of the week.... same skillset (used to be a PG), but 6 inches taller... and a 20 point scorer. There's a poster on here named rodj who can tell you all about him. And we only have but so many scholarships to give. And we still have a talented James Whitaker at 6'5" who will continue to grow as a player.. and he was also a 20 ppg scorer in HS... and we have 6'8" Jamin Lackey who redshirted due to injury, but can swing between both the 2 and 3 spots. Just because we didn't see the talent last year doesn't mean it's not there ready and waiting... That's recruiting....
Deion is in the gym 2-3 times a day working on his game, & his body. There is no doubt that he will help NCAT get better because he can do it all on the court. At 6'8, he can shoot, pass, post up, rebound, defend, and everything in between. His understanding of the game is great, and he understands mismatches.
Deion is from a small school that is known for it's academics (the first school in AZ to have no books -laptops only). He was the starting PG as a freshman on varsity, and as he grew so did his skillsets. He averaged 20 & 12 the last two years while being doubled and tripled teamed. He played AAU with AZ Magic Elite on one of the most talented teams in AZ history. The guards just committed to St. John's & TCU, the power forward is going to PAC12 & Deion and the other wing are signed to D1 teams.
Last June while in Germany he had a chance to play in a U18 tournament, and he was balling. The coaches wanted him to stay & play in Germany (he is also a German citizen). The kids his height could not deal with him because he would take them inside/outside. He injured his knee while working out in Germany, so we weren't sure if he would even play in the Reebok Breakout or Summer AAU. He played injured the whole summer, thus dropping his stock. He is healthy now, and before his verbal commitment to NCAT, he had mid major schools calling (E. Washington called before our visit to NCAT).
Deion is the type of kid that doesn't care who or where he plays. He likes the NCAT coaches and enjoyed his visit to the campus. After his visit, he said he wanted to be an Aggie. If he played AAU this spring, there is no doubt in my mind that he could've gone to a big conference. I truly believe in faith and destiny, and this will be a win-win for NCAT & Deion.
tucson.com/sports/high-school/basketball/hs-basketball-empire-s-james-commits-to-north-carolina-a/article_27c15ec8-24bf-5085-bc00-f38e9ca74457.html
I don't want to come in here and brag about my son because you never know what can happen to an athlete. Deion is a good kid that can play basketball!
Just my two cents!
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Mar 20, 2015 20:16:19 GMT -5
rodj, Deon represents an upgrade in student-athlete for A&T It would be unfair to Deon if there are not other players recruited and in the program with the similar academic, athletic ability and shear drive. If we had 3-4 more Deon's I think Aggie bball would be in good shape. My post is mostly about being consistent in recruiting efforts regarding level of talent, and being able to recruit good talent in your own backyard. I'm sold on Deon!
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Post by saabman on Mar 20, 2015 20:29:45 GMT -5
rodj, Deon represents an upgrade in student-athlete for A&T It would be unfair to Deon if there are not other players recruited and in the program with the similar academic, athletic ability and shear drive. If we had 3-4 more Deon's I think Aggie bball would be in good shape. My post is mostly about being consistent in recruiting efforts regarding level of talent, and being able to recruit good talent in your own backyard. I'm sold on Deon! most kids nowadays would rather leave home to play ball because it gives them the opportunity to experience other things and people. especially in basketball. although somewhere down the line somewhere down the line they may return home play ball but most would prefer to get away if they can.
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